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Okay, we're gonna be starting out at the east end.
You'll get your dogs, keep your eyes open.
All right, boys, let's get these dogs down.
Billy.
Yes, sir, Mr. Gason.
Call me John, all right?
Yes, sir.
Listen, do you know where Coslow was heading in such a rush?
No.
Something wrong?
No.
We're low on elk clamps.
He went looking for a supply house open today.
When are we gonna get the van back?
Soon, soon.
Goddamn soon.
Billy, I've been watching.
You're a good worker.
Thank you.
Listen, uh, would you like to come out to the house some night?
Maybe play a little pool.
Sure.
Great.
It doesn't help that it's Christmas.
My guys are catching hell for not being around.
By the time they get back from tailing Casey to hell and gone, debrief with Walton, go home.
It's not a 12-hour shift, it's 16.
Look, they're good guys, Mike.
You put together a hell of a team.
Well, they're hurting and not just dealt the...
Look, you want to pull out?
Pull out.
Hey, look, I'll let you know when I'm done.
I'll let you know when I'm done.
I'll let you know when I'm done.
I'll let you know when I'm done.
I'll let you know when I'm done.
I'll let you know when I'm done.
working...
Let me get back to you.
C餅.
You're laughing.
Listen, a couple days it won't matter whether I pull a Delta unit out or not, right?
By the way, our cars are jumbled.
I know, I know. I'm still trying to get you these replacements.
Yeah, well, I can patch them up. I can't patch up the manpower.
It's not just their bitching and moaning.
Gacy's given them the slip a couple times.
You all right?
Yeah.
We appreciate you coming by like this.
I wish I had better news for you.
You're not going to give up, are you?
No, I'm not.
You know, it's like a bad dream.
Keep praying to God I'll wake up and Chris will be home.
Why would anybody do such a thing? Why?
He can't get away with this, can he?
No, not this time. Mr. Gacy won't get away.
I'm sorry.
Hey, cousin Zach, give me the home phone of Tony Centore.
Tony told me that you needed something that the person cared about a lot.
Was he wearing a patterned sweater?
A blue windbreaker?
The description of the clothing was in the newspaper article.
You don't believe in psychics, do you?
Did he have... fricles?
Oh, yeah, a few.
And a little bit of a
mark on his face?
Yeah, he did. He had a little birthmark.
He didn't die easily.
Bothers you, doesn't it?
Of course it does.
No, I meant the cyst on your back.
How did you know that?
Oh, it'll be gone.
As soon as you bring the killer in.
His hands are bound. His hands are bound and there are deep cuts in them. Deep cuts in a rope.
But not on his hands.
He planned it.
He purposely left the book so that he would have to go back a second time and talk to Christopher.
He's a big man. A big man. Big arms. Big hands. A black coat. Leather coat. He works with his hands.
It's Casey.
His eyes. Behind his eyes.
There wasn't a thing about him in the newspaper, Joe.
Oh, he's so clever. He's so clever. He prides himself on being able to trick people. He has no guilt.
He feels no guilt.
There's an instrument. A board.
He made Christopher suffer a lot before he died.
Can you tell me anything about where, about what he did with the body?
No. No.
Please. I've got to find Chris. I have to find him. This may be the only way that I've got to catch his killer.
Please.
I see a building and a tower. A tower and something connecting the tower.
There's a lot of machinery and trucks. I don't know the only word I can think of is construction site.
There's trees.
A lot of trees.
And, um, and water.
And a sign.
The words, um, evergreen. Evergreen.
And there's a big mound of earth.
I can't see what's underneath it.
It could be bodies.
I'm too tired. I can't do this anymore.
No, no. Don't stop. Please. Please. Please try.
Where's the sky? I can't see the sky anymore.
All of these people here in the same dark places.
All of these bodies. All of these bodies are just...
I don't know.
Oh, please don't be like what happened in Texas.
What are you talking about?
The man in Texas who tortured and murdered all those boys.
What? Hanley?
Arthur Hanley? Is this what...
Is that who you mean? The man in Houston who murdered the twelve boys?
Who?
Miss Grayson, who dug those graves?
The man who killed Chris Gant.
There could be others.
He's been getting away with this for a long, long time.
Oh, Chris.
Do you know what you are saying?
Please, do you understand what you are telling me?
Well, how? How do you? How can you be sure?
I'm sure of what I saw.
If you think there's garbage on telly on Sunday...
Pardon me?
You're right.
Is that right?
Charlie Sheen...
Are you nuts?
And Emilio Estevez...
This sucks.
...are up to their eyeballs in garbage.
In the two years you have worked here, you have broken just about every city ordinance that pertains to this line of work.
You can't say we haven't been a lot of laughs.
So if you're done in the dumps...
Aww.
Can anything pick you up as quick as a laugh?
No, sir.
No, sir.
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That's what I said until last night.
Look, the way this lady described Gacy, you guys do any better?
You could have read a paper.
No, no, no, no. I kept all mention of Gacy out of the newspapers, the TV. You know that, Jack.
Sure. Next thing you know, we'll all be using Ouija boards.
Bro, we should have a say on it.
Yeah, everybody join hands.
Come on, come on. Join hands.
Come on. It's serious.
Hey, quick throw.
Alright, alright. Hey.
Hey!
Look, I know it's Christmas, alright?
I know I've been pushing very hard on this thing. I realize how many hours you guys have been putting in.
Yeah, I know. And believe me, I'm the guy that's gotta go over to the chief's office, get him to approve the overtime.
Have a good time, Joe.
Yeah.
You know, I wish I'd been in this job longer.
I wish I knew you all better.
I wish you knew me.
It's not you, Joe. It's the lady.
Okay.
The lady. The lady.
Maybe you're right, you know. Maybe she is crazy. Maybe everything this woman told me last night is crazy.
But all I'm saying is what if she isn't?
What if she's right?
What if this son of a bitch did what she said and we've got ourselves a mass murderer out there?
Not just Christopher Gann, not just Trask and Miklovitch and the others we know about.
But what if there are God knows how many others whose names we have no idea of yet?
Look, all I'm saying is that if she's right, and we quit on this thing now, if she is right and we don't do everything that we can to put this guy away,
a lot of other Chris Gants are gonna die for it.
You know, I...
Look, I'm asking for a few more days.
Just a few more days. You know, huh?
What do you say?
Can I see you, Lieutenant?
Can it wait?
I'm afraid not. I'm due in court. It's important.
Go ahead. We'll wait.
What's going on in there?
I want a second search warrant.
Look, I've got some new information.
Who from?
I got it from a phone call earlier this morning.
I had a phone call today too. I'm Gacy's lawyer.
Burns about what?
A lawsuit that he's filing against you and the Des Plains police. He said that his client warned you. Why wasn't I informed?
Look, I don't know. I figured the guy was just blowing smoke.
Three quarters of a million dollars worth.
Wrongful harassment, unwarranted inference, and his ability to carry out business,
briefest damages to his reputation, you name it.
And how long before he gets it in court?
Day two, end of the week at the Lagos.
So he's also going to file for a restraint order to shut down your investigation.
What? Will a judge give it to him?
It's more or less automatic.
You can't fight it?
On what grounds?
Besides, Don tells me that most of your men are fed up anyway.
I'm running late.
I'm running late.
We took a little vote while you were out.
Popularity contest?
Something like that.
And did I win or lose?
Well, we decided. All of us.
What the hell, we can go a few more rounds.
Thanks.
Let's hope Gacy can't go the distance.
Mike, what do you say to your guys really moving in on Gacy?
Really start messing him up.
Wait a minute. Are you buying?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
So far this guy's been playing head games on us.
Let's turn it around now. Let's start mixing him up.
You know, push the nice Gacy till the bad guy comes.
Stay so close to this guy he stops short and we're up his backside.
Probably like that.
I want to worry him, Mike.
I want to make him think that we're a lot closer to nailing him.
You are?
Yeah.
Something's been bugging me for days. I couldn't figure out what it was.
Then this morning, after the meeting, I took a look at the charts.
It was a second interview with Mrs. Trask.
She told me about other things in her son's car that were missing,
including a little portable TV set she'd given him when he moved to his own pad.
What's that?
It's one of the photos. The evidence signature.
It's a picture of a man who was in a car accident.
It's one of the photos the evidence signature took.
And that was his Gacy's house with Chris Ganton.
Remember the bureau in Gacy's bedroom?
Yeah.
With all the jewelry and Lester Trask's ring in it?
Uh-huh.
Well, you'll look at what's on top of the bureau.
Mrs. Trask, keep any of the papers on her son's stuff?
Like her son's television?
Hold her in ass. Just gonna see if she can find the guarantee.
Anything with identifying numbers on it.
I suppose it's a long shot, but...
No, no. It's worth looking into.
Okay.
Anything to help us nail that bastard.
I'll let you know.
Good work, Terry.
He's not so bad.
They're all good.
I just hope Gacy isn't better.
Mike, I want to see what happens if we, uh,
try dropping the names of the other missing kids on it.
That's fine. It's worth a try.
The, uh, crazy lady's description of those...
where the dead bodies are, dark place, around all the construction crap.
You buy that?
You know, last night when I left her, I...
I drove all over, displaced, all night.
Any place that came to mind.
You know that, uh, scout campground out on 76?
Yeah, I think so.
It went out there.
And?
I'm still looking.
You'd buy the whole McGill on her, right?
Hey, she even told me about the cyst rubbing on my tailbone.
Sure as hell that wasn't on television.
What'd she say about it?
She told me that, uh, the pain would stop when we nailed Gacy.
Well, I knew you had a personal interest in the case.
Yeah, I gotta go.
You'll get this, huh?
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Mrs. Traskin.
About the papers on your son's TV.
I'm so sorry. I've looked everywhere.
It's important, isn't it? Yes, ma'am.
So you can arrest that guy?
Well...
You know, the last few days when she brought Lester's ring, sometimes I wish I hadn't.
It's the finality of it. So hard.
Accepting the fact that he won't ever come back.
You know, last summer, a friend of his was on a trip to Los Angeles.
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I'm so sorry to cause you more pain.
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Member of the family, recently deceased.
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This is John Gacy's father?
Excuse me, Lieutenant, but why are you here?
Is it to do with the recently deceased?
Yeah, but not this one. Listen.
This may sound a little macabre, a lot about this case I'm working on.
It seems to be turning out this way.
What are the chances of somebody getting in here, say, sometime during the night,
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It's impossible, I suppose.
We have only two guards at night.
Here?
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I understand that. Could you give me that name, please?
Tell me that name, please.
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The big mound of earth, I can't see what's underneath it.
It could be a body.
Mind telling me just what the hell you thought you were doing?
Construction site foreman called you.
Damn right he did.
You really expect the department to pay for moving ten tons of earth?
Chris Gant's body could be under there.
That straight from the psychic's mouth?
Oh, it's all over the building about her.
I'm not talking about buildings.
Hey, you tell Carlson the new information came from an anonymous phone call?
I don't know, something like that.
It's my mistake.
I was trying to get...
Your mistake was letting anybody know anything about a psychic.
I should shut this whole damn investigation down right now.
But you're not.
No.
And you want to know why.
Why?
Because if you don't nail Gacy, it's not only your career now.
He brings this damn lawsuit.
We're both looking for jobs as night watchmen.
Why?
I'm the one who did it.
I'm the one who let you.
He's guilty, Wally.
I hope so.
And it's not just Chris Gant.
I know.
We'll get him.
What do you mean we, white man?
Us, the team, they believe it.
That include Mike Paxton?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, they don't have much time to prove it.
Guess I'd better authorize payment.
Thanks.
Yeah, what's a few hundred bucks against three quarters of a million?
Chris and Joe, don't take it like personal.
But?
I don't think you're going to do it.
I think this bastard's too well connected, too clever for us.
We're just not going to...
I think you're wrong.
A couple of days, we'll know, won't we?
Good night, Joe.
Good night.
Good night.
You're out of your jurisdiction, so don't try making any trouble for me.
Lay off John.
Get your asses out of here, white old chap.
Not blondies.
His is cute.
John says it's okay.
He says, uh, for you to come on over and have a drink.
Sounds pretty good to me.
Hey, man, who the hell are you?
I'm their boss.
I bring you regards, John Miklowich.
I said he worked for you.
I don't remember anybody with a name like that.
You?
Sonny described you perfectly.
Loud, big belly.
Waiter, can you drink it, John?
The hell you think you're talking to?
Give me that thing.
I want your name and shield number right here.
Write it down.
I'll put you on that lawsuit along with that dumb Pollock.
Making a big mistake, John.
We're on your side.
The way I see it, that Pollock's got a hell of a nerve.
Holding on to your cars.
Won't be for much longer.
You bet.
You can get that board too with the handcuffs.
Board?
What board is that?
Is that some more crap you left when you missed that?
I don't know what he's talking about.
Forget it.
You want to go to your house?
Party?
You want to supply the broads?
We don't need broads, do we, John?
Craig here's pretty lipo-minded.
The consul's not going to tell me anything.
Are you kidding?
Tell who?
Cousin Zach's bringing him in again.
Something about the car you sold him, belonging to a missing kid.
Same ID, something.
Are we going to get it on?
Or what?
You give Miklovich his name?
No, John.
I don't want to talk to the cops.
Keep your mouth shut.
I swear to God I'll drop you right in it.
You won't get anything out of me.
If I ask you about that car, you tell them you got it at an auction.
It's this way.
You understand?
John, ask what you do to me anyway.
Anything you say.
That's right.
Anything I say, ever.
Open it.
Stop it, John.
What the hell are you doing?
Open it.
Open it!
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He comes around here again and he better know how to swim.
Since we took out the sump pump, the water's rising.
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Hendricks down to construction site.
Remove the earth for you.
Literally.
I don't know where he got the screwy idea.
He'd find a body under it.
Waste of our time and your money.
Sorry.
Pam, can you call the chief's office?
I'd better go see him.
She found it.
Found what?
Mrs. Trask.
The papers on her son's TV.
Where is he?
He's in that tower.
I'm sure he got a hold of a serial number for us.
What's he doing in there?
Bidding on some renovation job.
At least that's what he says.
He tells us where he's going all the time now with our old friends.
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He's a good guy.
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Hey, who's it at?
Checking up on me or them?
Should I be checking up on you, Mr. Gacy?
Hey, I can fly out of here any time I want to.
I could fly someplace where there's no extradition treaty.
Like, uh, like Brazil, maybe?
I wouldn't try it.
You wouldn't?
There's nothing you can do to stop me.
You're the one that's wrong and you're lying.
You're the one that's wrong.
Bastard!
What's the matter, Mr. Gacy?
Gacy, John.
I'm glad to see you're annoying, Mr. Gacy.
What, are you guys sticking up for him now?
I'm glad to bother you, John.
That's all right.
It's all right.
I know it's not you guys.
You got to do with the little pollock sets, huh?
Well, not for much longer, dummy!
You hear me?
Not much longer!
Are you identifying any of them?
Mr. Koslow has total non-recall about seeing any of the missing boys.
Next thing you know, he'll deny he ever told us he saw Gacy
messing around with young boys.
Okay, I said it, but I don't know what he did with them.
Honest!
Hey, Lieutenant.
Yeah, well, you know, Ted, I just find this a little hard to believe.
I mean, come on.
You didn't just work for the guy, you were his drinking buddy.
You partied with him.
You lived in his house.
No law against that.
You saw him bring young boys into the garage.
That's when after I moved out.
Huh?
You saw his car that you say Gacy sold you?
The one that belonged to one of the missing boys?
Now, where'd that come from?
When'd you ask John?
Because I'm asking you.
He bought it at some used car auction over in Cicero.
Uh-huh.
And you believe that?
Yeah.
You smile one more time, I'll slap it off your face.
Ted, we are going to put Gacy away.
And we are going to put you away with him, if you don't help us.
I can't tell you what I don't know, can I?
No.
It's a polygraph machine, Ted.
It's a lie detector.
It can prove to us if you're telling the truth.
But it's up to you.
We can't make you take the test.
John!
What do you want?
We're losing our tails off.
Well, we'll complain to the Polak.
Screw him!
Hey, how about coming out with us for a drink?
Let us buy you one.
Maybe come back, watch a little TV.
What do you say?
I got some calls to make.
Well, if you don't want to come with us, how about inviting us in for one?
Sure, there's no hard feelings, you know?
Did you ever see Chris Gant?
No.
Well, the machine says you're lying, Teddy.
Okay, I saw him.
Where?
Inside the drug store, that night.
Did you see Chris when he came outside to talk about a part-time job with LPW Construction?
No, I left right away.
Did you know Gacy was waiting outside for Chris?
No.
Did Gacy take Chris back to the house?
I don't know, I was near that night, went straight home.
Thanks for inviting us in.
It's a great place you got here, John.
Nice place, I like it.
Do you ever do any hunting?
You guys shoot?
I do.
So, what do you have?
Scotch.
Make mine the same.
Wait a minute, where the hell do you think you're going?
I've got to take a leak.
Hey, where's my drink?
A great room you got here, John.
Yeah, those palm paintings, they're original oil.
Here you go.
Is that you with Rosalind Carter?
Yes, it sure is.
She was a great First Lady.
She's a nice person too.
Man of the year, that's pretty impressive.
Yeah, I organized a big parade for him.
Jack!
Jack, what are you doing in there?
Out in a minute.
Where's my drink, John?
Get out of here.
Don't do this, get your fat asses out of here!
Get out of here and leave me alone!
If you know what's good for you, you better tell that scumbag Polack
you better do the same!
Well?
Got it.
Does it mean anything to you?
No, sir, what is it?
Well, that's what we're trying to find out.
Suppose I read off a list of places, see if that helps.
If the places mean anything to you.
Remember, you just answer yes or no.
Tree Line Road.
Is that by the river?
Yes or no.
No.
Summer Hill Road.
No.
Casey's house.
The garage.
The bedroom.
The attic.
The crawl space under the house.
Have you ever been down to the crawl space, Ted?
Chair Ted, please.
What about Casey, what's he gonna do?
Damn, what happens to me?
No.
No, Ted, you're wrong.
You gotta believe me, I do.
I don't want that man free to hurt anyone anymore.
Let him do it to me once.
The things he does makes me a punk, huh?
No.
What?
Tell me.
What is it, Ted?
He made me dig some holes down there in the crawl space.
He said they were for drainage pipes.
I don't know.
Is Miss Carlson in?
Oh, sorry, Lieutenant, she just left.
Oh, you see, it's very important that I talk to her.
Well, she'll be home, but not too late.
Come on, tell me.
What lies is that Polak trying to get you to say about me, huh?
It didn't.
I swear.
You're lying to me, you little punk.
I'm not.
Don't call me that.
Oh, yeah?
Then tell me.
How come two of his stooges dare to sneak into my house?
I don't know, John.
I don't.
Why is he doing this to me?
Why is he doing this to me?
I haven't been a bad boy.
If I find out you've been lying to me, I'll kill you too.
Do you understand?
I'll kill you.
Blew it.
What, you couldn't get in the house?
I got in the house, even the bedroom.
Took down the wrong number.
Goddamn model number instead of the serial.
Kay was nervous, I admit it.
He dropped a load in my pants.
Not that it'd make any difference.
From the smell, you'd think he'd let that dog of his crap all over the place.
No, I wasn't laughing at you, Jack.
I'd have been nervous too.
It's just the way this whole thing's going.
I gotta get out of here.
Come on, I'll buy us a beer for me to cry in.
Lieutenant.
Yes.
Is the information that Coslow gave you about the crawlspace on the tape, or isn't it?
Well, no, it isn't.
He was too far from the microphone when he said it.
Oh, it's too bad.
What about the polygraph test?
Is there anything conclusive on that?
Oh, no, not conclusive, no.
Well, I'm afraid there's still no evidence that Christopher Gant was ever in Gacy's house.
Look, and what would you call evidence?
To get another search warrant?
What you need is a body.
Look, that is what the second search warrant is for, is to find the bodies.
I'm sorry to bother you.
Don't worry about it.
By the way, Burns goes into court with a lawsuit Friday morning.
Friday morning? That only gives me three days.
Well, you're lucky. It could be sooner.
Under the circumstances, Lieutenant, I don't see a prayer getting you another search warrant for Gacy's house.
Good night.
Good night.
Are they following us?
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Yeah, sure.
Hold on, John.
Who's your friend?
It's my friend Billy. We're going in to play a game of pool.
Is that okay with you?
Sure.
Good to know you guys are on the job.
I mean, he wouldn't do anything, would he? Like he said, he knows we're out here.
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You bought the tree with Michael?
He didn't want to bother you.
Yeah, there's another thing I promised to do with him.
How's it going?
Not so good.
Come on up to bed.
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All these years of being on the force, I still can't believe there can be this kind of evil.
I just wish I was smarter.
All I have to do is just look at a man like Gacy and I just feel sick.
You're smart enough.
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I'm not free to go around killing innocent boys.
Oh, stop it.
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Give it over to yourself.
How you doing?
Not so hot.
Let me give you a little lesson.
You take the shot.
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That's better, huh?
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You gotta get lower.
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Over the cue.
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Hey, how about that?
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I've never smoked one of those before.
You're kidding me.
Maybe a few times.
It's not like it's the hard stuff.
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That's what we're doing here,
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I know what you need.
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And then we'll play a game.
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Those guys really worry about you, huh?
Yeah.
That's what they get paid for.
I'm getting better.
Yeah, you learn fast, Billy.
Later on, maybe I'll teach you something else.
What's that?
Oh, it's just a little trick, I know.
I'll just drink.
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Good boy.
What the hell you lock it for?
A trophy.
Here.
Kid's still in there, huh?
Yeah.
You liberal-minded about sex, Billy?
Sorry?
There's more than one way to get your rocks off.
I got a girlfriend.
I bet you've got a lot of them.
Good-looking kid like you, huh?
Thanks for the game.
Have a good time.
It's my pleasure.
I gotta go.
Sure.
How about one for the road?
I gotta get going.
Wait a minute.
What about that trick I was gonna show you?
I don't know.
I gotta get going.
Hey, hey, hey, Billy.
You worried about something?
No, it's just late and I've gotta get going.
It won't take a minute.
I'll tell you what, I'll show you how you work it.
You can play it on your girlfriend.
How's that?
I gotta put them on or something?
No, no, you don't put them on.
I put them on.
How's that?
Make sure they're locked.
There you go.
You got it locked real tight.
I don't know if I can...
Wow, that thing is really tight.
Hold this for a second.
That's some trick.
How do you do it?
There's a little lever right there.
Just push that lever and they pop right off.
Wanna try it?
Come on.
Come on, give it a try.
Not that way.
Now you gotta have your hands in back here.
Huh?
That's more impressive that way.
People can't see what you're doing, right?
Come on.
That's a boy.
That's one.
That's two.
Come on.
Come on, try to get out.
I can't do it.
Hey, come on.
Let me out.
Please.
Please.
Please.
You know what the real trick is?
Here's the real trick.
The real trick is having the key, you stupid bastard.
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Don't do this.
Don't hurt me.
Please don't hurt me.
Please.
Say please again.
Please.
Come on.
Please.
Please don't hurt me.
Come on, pretty boy.
Say please.
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Please.
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I was taking my guest home.
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That's his guy that's running like a squirrel.
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You can go home on my own.
No, no, no, don't be silly, it's no trouble.
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Yeah.
Like the money you make?
Yeah.
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Right now, this scumbag keeps up his pressure. I'm responsible for what I do.
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You got nothing on me. Look, I want both their names on the list.
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I'm sorry I haven't been over the last few days. I brought his camera.
Did it help you? Is there any news about Chris?
When are you gonna arrest that man? That's police business.
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Chris took so many lovely pictures. They have so few of him.
Maybe there'll be some in the role Cindy's getting developed.
We're her manners. Did you care to join us for a bite of luncheon?
Is that Cindy Beck? The young girl that worked at the pharmacy with Chris?
Yes. Do you know when it was she put that film in for developing?
Could it have been the night that Chris disappeared?
Frank, tonight we searched gay seats. I backed a photo receipt.
You remember seeing that? That was over a week ago.
Come on, it's a blue and white photo receipt. It's a small photo receipt.
The name of the store is torn off. Is it important? Yes, it could be.
That's it. The envelope 48406 was put in for developing December 11th, all right?
Yeah, Cindy Beck. But I don't see...
We found it in your friend Mr. Gacy's garbage. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Austin.
Did you get a hold of Cindy Beck? Right. Got it. Bye.
Yeah, school says she's away at an interstate elastic swim meet.
Won't be back till late afternoon or early evening.
Where the hell did this thing get in there?
Did you go over the statement you got from her the first day?
Yeah, nothing about any film or any receipt.
Look, what's the soonest we can talk to her?
Well, Bustle dropped the kids off at the school first.
And we'll be there waiting for her. Come on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, kid.
How you doing?
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Doing what? Construction.
Either way, you're gonna make that kind of money, all right?
All right, get in the car.
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Cindy listen to me, this is extremely important
We found this in the house of a man that we suspect killed Chris
Please
I put it in Chris's jacket
The jacket he was wearing when he went out to talk to the contractor?
I told him to put it on because it was freezing outside and I didn't want him to catch a cold
She's sure about putting the receipt in the boy's jacket that night?
Yes, that's definitely
But the jacket wasn't found at Gacy's house when you searched it, right?
It wasn't, the photo receipt was
No
I'm still not sure you've got enough for me to go for a second search for
When? When is it going to be enough?
You seem to be forgetting there's a lawsuit out against you in the department
Oh, the more reason
To exercise a little caution
Now, you know, photo receipt does not prove conclusively that Chris Gant was in Gacy's house
If I move too fast and you come up at the end it could be embarrassing
Embarrassing?
Chris Gant is dead, other boys are dead! You're talking to me a big book
Huskins, you and Kozinsak talk about it, go over the girl's statement and let me know what you think in the morning
Look, look, we don't need it
Where is she going in such a hurry?
She's got season's tickets to the Bulls
Why don't we pick this up in my office?
No, we're not going to pick it up in your office, listen to me you little jerk
This crap cannot go on anymore, we have got to get a second search warrant before Gacy and that lawyer of his shut us down
She's his wife
Jake! Jake, Mark!
I can't wait to find him, Jake, you better get the bastards off my back now, they're killing me, they're killing me
Okay John, it's late, come on
They're killing me
Come on, let's see what we can do, don't worry, come on
Look at him, there they are, make them go away, Jake
It's alright, get the hell out of here
We've got orders to keep Mr. Gacy under close surveillance, that's what we're doing
This is absolutely illegal
This is kidnapping and murder
What are you doing down there?
What are you talking about? Get out there!
They've been sneaking into my house, Jake, that lion little cosmo, that punk
I'm home
Wakey wakey
Any action?
He's still in there
Whatever you do, don't let him go
Shoot out the tires of his car if you have to
What are you talking about, what's happening?
He's like an animal, he can't be tried, just don't believe it
Back inside, John, you're so high on blood, you don't know what you're doing
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Don't touch me, don't touch me
Say goodbye to work
I'll sit with those goddamn kids and I'll wear the shit
Especially Gant
Gant deserves to die
Like all the others
Go after him, he's gone away
Sorry if I woke you
I couldn't sleep when I got home, I kept thinking about something when I was at Gacy's house
The smell, it's the way he keeps the place, he'd have killed the dog if it crapped inside
I think I know what it was, Joe
I smelled it enough times when I was working at the Chicago PD
It's just so crazy, like the way the stiff smell at the county morgue
Let's go
Come on, John, I only have breakfast
Why don't you drive me home?
So you can stay with me for a little while
I've got a lot on my mind, I've got to figure out what I'm going to do
You drive, all right?
Look, he is sure what the smell in the bathroom was
Because he's been down to the county morgue more times than you've been to basketball games
Or wherever the hell it is you go at night
How did you get into the house?
If it was some kind of illegal entry or a ploy?
Yes, they were breaking a rule
They let Gacy in, and he was going to the morgue
And he was going to the morgue
And he was going to the morgue
And he was going to the morgue
They let Gacy in, and he was going to the morgue
And he was going to the morgue
I don't know, is there a law against taking a leak in a suspect's bathroom?
Look, you're telling me that you need more evidence to go for a second search warrant
Well, let's just look at what we've got, okay?
First of all, we've got a photo receipt
The photo receipt that Cindy Beck stated that she put into the jacket that Chris Gantt was wearing
that Chris Gant was wearing the night that he disappeared.
This is a receipt I found in Gacy's kitchen.
We've got an experienced officer here
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Looks like Casey's heading for O'Hare.
How close to the airport are you?
Three miles.
Don't worry the way he's driving, he'll kill all of us before he gets there.
And you think he's trying to fly out?
That's what he told Cosmo.
All right, arrest him and bring him in.
We can't, not yet.
What charge?
Look, how the hell do I know?
Use your own discretion, Mike, but do not let him get away.
It's your case, Lieutenant.
But if you bring him in on some trumped up charge
and don't find anything in the crawlspace, he'll not only go free,
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I get it.
Okay, sure.
What are you stopping me for?
Please step out of the car.
You're under arrest.
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Hey, Joe.
Let's do this.
Whoa, it stinks in here.
What a stench.
That's how good of a man got a whiff.
Why don't we smell it the first time?
The extra water.
It's loosened up the earth.
It must be where the stench is coming from.
Where's the psychic's drawing?
See what I can find.
Turn off the furnace, will you?
It's going to be hot enough work.
They start arresting people for taking louse.
They're going to have half of Chicago in jail.
Besides, the causal is lying.
I never gave them any louse.
So is that the Pollock's lie detector gizmo there?
I'll take one any time you want.
There may be other charges, Mr. Casey.
Like what?
Well, it depends on what the lieutenant finds in your house.
Oh, he's in my house?
Oh, wow.
Well, my lawyer hears about that.
I think Stash has really stepped in at this time.
He has a search warrant.
And it won't do him any good.
He won't find a thing.
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Welcome back to Kingdom Hearts.
I'm Marguerite.
Okay.
Lieutenant, better call the medical examiner.
I think there's parts of two, maybe three bodies down here.
The remains of 25 boys kidnapped, sexually tortured and killed by John Gacy over a period of six years were found buried in the crawlspace of his house.
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The body of Christopher Gant was not found, although his blue down jacket was discovered in a hiding place behind the purrs.
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Monday night and it's nice to be with nice people indeed.
Even if you're all toe suckers.
Pretty fair to say Fergie's photos have been removed from the foyer of Buckingham Palace.
We actually here tonight live have some unbelievable photos. We have the exclusive nude photos of Woody Allen.
Unfortunately nobody wants to buy them.
Johnny Bryan a financial advisor and he was just doing an audit of Fergie's toes with his mouth.
Now he's the only financial advisor in Texas with athletes tongue.
We have the biggest, in fact we're going to follow that whole thing up.
We're going to get a close personal friend and confidant of Fergie's for the latest on the royal scandals including the contents of the new bugged telephone call from Princess Di's apartment of the palace.
We'll get the latest on the Fergie situation. Who's sucking who's toes with Judy Wade.
As you can see Judy desperately waiting to talk to us.
We're going to talk to a man who preached free love during the sexual revolution the 60s probably caused all this mess at Buckingham Palace and a Woody Allen's place.
Author, broadcaster, raconteur Richard Nevels with us.
His fault and with so many world marriages crashing around us we thought we'd find out to where they went wrong.
So we've got Australia's foremost matchmaker Yvonne Allen joining us.
Musically weddings parties and anything.
And we're going to cross live to an average suburban house.
Which has been there which has been there for nine months.
And if they got troubles apparently this house is haunted and tonight we're sending Ghostbuster Genevieve Collette to sort things out there.
And that's that this house is this house has got a problem.
Now this is that's that's Tim and Gail. Hi Tim and Gail. How are you?
Now what Tim what's the problem with the house?
Oh it's haunted. You've got a haunted house.
Like every night in the land at about 10 o'clock there's a really big wind on our face and on Saturday night this light went on and off right before our eyes and all the other ones did too.
And I turned them back on I thought the electricity had gone off but it hadn't obviously.
If you come this way we'll say some more. Yes.
And these balls here are often down the hallway moved from where they were left up the night before.
Do you have do you have any children? Yes I have a three year old Danielle and a six month old baby.
Right. Have you thought about the possibility that the kids might be moving the balls?
No they're asleep in bed with me because she won't sleep in my in her bedroom she's too frightened so she's in bed.
So she's in bed the balls are moving. Just on that is any of the letters on the on the magnetic blackboard ever arranged?
Yeah we often find them on the floor in front of just down on the floor there.
Scattered everywhere in the morning they're always on there usually but yeah.
That is a classic sign. This room here my daughter won't come in here because she thinks it's...
This is supposed to be her bedroom but she won't go in here she says there's a man in here that tells her to get out because it's his room.
Right. This toy box. This toy box down here was moved into the middle of the bedroom and I didn't do it and Tim didn't do it.
It's quite heavy. And Danielle can't do it it's too heavy.
Right when you noticed that was the TV and the video missing?
No. I'm afraid not.
No no no. Now you're going down where? The hallway?
Now we're going down to the really you can feel a temperature drop as you go down this hallway.
Yes. Um.
You heard running up down the foot here.
We were outside one day and there was running down the hallway. We could hear it.
Right.
And...
Oh something just moved there.
I don't... I don't go in there because it's...
It's a really spooky room we just don't go in there at all.
Right. That is the room. That is the room with the horse.
Okay.
Now that is the room. Now we're going throughout the course of this show to get Genevieve. Where's Genevieve?
This is... Hi Genevieve.
Hi Steve. How are you?
Genevieve.
Now Genevieve.
Genevieve you've done this sort of stuff before haven't you? You're a channeler?
Yes. Cleared quite a few houses Steve.
Right. And throughout the course of the show you're going to... describe what you're going to do.
Well first I'm going to test the energy. There's a lovely temperature drop down here.
Um.
And there's vibrations that I'm used to but not a lot of other people are used to.
So when the room is clearer I will tune in and speak to whoever is here and find out exactly what they would like to do.
And if they would like me to move them on to a better place, a more comfortable place, then that'll be the next step.
Excellent Genevieve. We'll cross back a little later in the show. Would you thank Genevieve, Tim and Gail.
We'll cross back later in the show for the um... for the uh... for the house clearing.
Right now it's time for the very latest news. The queen of the newsfeed. Ms. Genevieve.
Hi.
Thank you Steve. Good evening everyone.
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And a new shock for the Royal Family.
The Princess of Wales has allegedly been taped in a romantic car phone conversation with a mystery man.
It's already been called Diana Gate.
Buckingham Palace says it's a hoax.
Voice experts claim the woman is Diana.
The conversation apparently was secretly taped on New Year's Eve 1989.
In it the man calls the woman a series of pet names, including Squidgey, and repeatedly tells her he loves her.
The Sun newspaper says it's had the tapes under lock and key for the past two years,
and finally has decided to publish the full contents of the conversation after an American magazine went to print with it last week.
We've got the extracts from the tape. Him, Squidgey, kiss me. Oh God, it's wonderful. Her. I love it.
The latest scandal already is being called Diana Gate, and a mobile scanner apparently was used to pick up the love chat.
And that's our news tonight, Steve. Thanks, Diana. Thank you very much. What a mess.
The wonderful Jennifer... Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
I think this audience has pushed back a little further than normal.
On that side there, can we get everyone on that side of the audience to move down a couple of rows,
and the front row sits sort of in here on the floor, please. Starting right now. Paul, some music to do that, please.
Just... If everyone had moved just forward. If you could just... Move right down. Everyone moving out.
Just get everybody to...
Why are we doing that?
A mess. We have a fine...
A fine mess. No, right in. Come on, guys. Right in. Right in here.
Right in. Get them right into... Yes, yes, that's it. Right there. Right there. That's good. That's good.
Just... That's very good. We have a mess. Fergie and Andy, Woody and Mia.
Woody and... Woody and Sun Yee. Our next guest is a man who's been espousing free love for years.
He's a radical satirist, broadcaster, author, and I'm certain that all of this toe-sucking...
...is completely his part. Would you please welcome Richard Neville?
Now, Richard, what are we seeing here? We've got Woody, we've got Fergie. What are we seeing?
Well, I think we're just seeing self-destruction going on. I mean, surely both of them would know that the...
...media-crazed hysteria would be whipped up the minute they did anything wrong.
And I mean, don't you think Fergie, when she married a royal, would have been taken into a room by a kind of James Bond...
...boss character and taught about zoom lenses? Said, if you're going to be doing any hanky-panky in the garden...
...make sure it's hundreds of miles away. I think the part of her, in a way, wanted to be exposed.
So this is... You're saying it's a very conscious thing on her part. Well, it's uncon...
It's... We're seeing... Look, Woody's the other royal family, because the Americans don't have a royal family, so it's Hollywood.
So Woody, in a way, has self-destructed, because he must have known that by initiating the court case...
...you know, to get custody of his children, which reminds me of Oscar Wilde. I mean, Oscar Wilde...
...you know, was bonking his boyfriend for years, and then when the father entered the fray...
...he initiated the court case, then ended up in Oscar Wilde going to jail.
So Woody initiated the court case that's brought all this to a head. So there's some...
I mean, and I think I'm also really concerned about all the judgements we're making.
I mean, no one knows, in Woody's case, what really went on. And in a way, with Fergie, as you say...
...it could have been creative accountancy, and there's a lot of accountants around Sydney...
...going round and sticking their chests out and feeling very proud, because the first time accountants...
...have ever been deemed sexy in their lives, and they're absolutely thrilled, especially bald-headed ones.
So I think what we've got to look at here is not what really went on. We'll never know. It is what is the media doing.
But it's all right to have a dinner party. You can have a dinner party. Now I'm worried about that.
But you suck someone's toe. Suck one little toe. Where do you draw the line?
Well, I mean, maybe... I mean, I wasn't there. I mean, I don't...
I'm personally having lived in England for a lot of the 60s and 70s and remembering their bathing habits.
I wouldn't suck any English person's toe. I think it was an amazingly kind of daring affrontory.
But what... I mean, look, the latest thing, just as before I walked on, we've now got, what, tape conversations of Lady Diana.
This is what... This is... This is Big Brother is watching you. The media suddenly becomes our collective conscious...
...or unconscious, or a witch hunt. What's... What's... Who's running the show? Who's running the news?
I mean, I'm guilty of it myself. I mean, are you fascinated with Woody Allen? I am. Fergie, yes.
But on the other hand, you sit down to watch the news on the ABC and thinking,
"'Glory, I've got four and a half million people starving in Somalia."
Your mind is drifting. What you're really waiting for is the next revelation about child abuse with Woody Allen.
And I think, actually, the child abuse is... is really the names that those children are called.
Do you know the names of Mia's children? No.
Well, Moses, Azaya, Satchel, Lark. I mean, if they survive that...
We've all started at the Christmas. I think so.
We're gonna take a break. I'm with Richard Neville. We'll be back after the break with Judy White to discover what's going on in London.
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And welcome back. I'm Richard Neville. And Richard, we're talking about the Royal Family. It's not so much what you do, but how you do it, isn't it?
Well, I think, yes, I mean, the Royal Family have not been notably celibate throughout the ages. I mean, they're a wild, rollicking sexual bunch.
It's just that Fergie happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with the cameras pointing at her. And I think there's also a lot of resentment about the fact she's had a lot of holidays and she's costing a lot of money.
We're also seeing people, I mean, we live in a decade where we're now tearing down barriers.
And I think the idea that, wow, you know, the Royal Family are just as mischievous and as sexy as us has activated people's thrill-seeking desires.
I mean, they're absolutely delighted that the Royals are no different and not only that, they can see it, you know, on the front pages of the newspaper.
Speaking of the front pages of newspapers and magazines, it's time to bring in an Australian journalist who writes for this magazine.
Hello. She's a very close friend of Fergie and it was a photographer from Hello Spanish Sister magazine who sat behind the bush for a couple of days and got the big toe scoop.
For the very latest Up to the Minute News, please welcome from our London studios, Judy Wade.
Now, Judy, what went on at Balmoral on the weekend?
Well, I think you all know that the Duchess left and came back down to London where she is today.
And what do you speculate what went on inside?
Well, she wasn't in the castle with the rest of the family. She was in a lodge on the estate some distance away.
So I don't think she came under too much pressure from the rest of the family.
But while she was coming back down to London, the story moved off Fergie on to Diana.
And today that's the big story that's breaking in London all about the Princess of Wales conversation or alleged conversation on a tape recording, which the newspapers now have here.
And this being splattered all over the front pages.
And I think the two stories are linked in a way because there are a lot of mysteries about the Fergie dramas over the last few months.
Unexplained things have happened.
And some of the royal watchers here believe that this is because certain people wish to embarrass or discredit the Duchess of York to take the heat off the Princess of Wales.
What's your view on that?
Mine? Well, I think, you know, it's quite possible. It may be true.
I don't know. But it certainly seems odd to me that, first of all, photographs disappeared from her home and turned up in an empty flat that was formally rented by the American tycoon Steve Wyatt.
And then they were given to a newspaper.
It seems odd that the Duchess's marriage separation was leaked to another newspaper long before she planned to announce the news herself.
I think it's very odd that she went to the south of France for a break and none of the local French police were informed that she was coming.
Normally, Scotland Yard would get in touch and would tell them.
And the French Foreign Ministry said at the weekend that they thought it extremely unusual for them not to be told that the Duchess was coming.
And they would have then willingly provided lots of gendarmes and dogs, et cetera, to patrol that villa so that no photographers could have got anywhere near.
It was odd that a financial adviser sucked her toe. The squidgy. Who's squidgy?
Well, I think squidgy is just a love name.
Is that a lover or is it a love name? Or a sponge?
Well, it may be perhaps a woman worried about being chubby. A boyfriend might call her squidgy. Who knows?
Have you heard the tapes?
I have, yes. Well, I've heard part of it. And it certainly does sound a lot like The Princess of Wales to me.
But I mean, who can prove it? Nobody can prove it unless you have, as I believe the National Enquirer did in the United States, got a voice expert to do voice prints of both The Princess and the tape recorded voice.
And they were convinced that it was her.
Is it squidgy who says, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you?
No, it's the man who says that. Funnily enough, the woman who never says that.
How many people are on the phone?
Sorry, hang on.
Two.
Ah, so there's two. So explain the whole phone call because I've got it all wrong.
There is a conversation between a man and a woman which was, we believe, recorded from a scanner which can pick up mobile telephone conversations.
And the man says to the woman, I love you, I love you, I love you, and he calls her squidgy.
Yes. And what do you think he meant by that?
Well, it's just a pet name, a love name. That's all.
And now this is, the man is, squidgy is the nickname for?
The woman.
For the woman. Ah, now it's all falling into place.
Yes.
But why have we got to listen to private conversations that have been scanned by criminals?
Why is it reasonable for the media to pry that deeply into people's private lives just because they're famous or royalty?
Well, I think the reason that the tape has now emerged, when the newspaper has had it for more than two years and didn't dream of running it before,
but it's come up now because an American magazine has run the tape and it's begun to be publicised over here in England.
And because the climate has now changed over here, we have had Andrew Morton's book, which blew the lid off the royal family.
And I think that the newspapers here are more prepared now to publish material they wouldn't have considered six months or a year ago.
But is that a good change or a bad change, do you think?
Well, it's probably bad for the royals. I don't know whether it's good or not for the readers, but it's certainly good for circulation.
Judy.
Because I know that the Sun newspaper in London sold four million copies last week, and that's not bad in a recession.
Judy, they must be thinking, the Queen must be thinking, if she does anything to Fergie in terms of taking a title from her,
that Fergie must have a lot of information up her sleeve about the royal family. That must be a consideration.
I don't believe the Duchess would ever do anything like that.
First of all, she would not wish to harm her children.
And a lot of people here believe that the Andrew Morton book that Diana is believed to have cooperated in certainly did a lot of harm to William and Harry.
It can't be good to have a book published which claims that your mother hates your father.
And so I think the Duchess would never ever consider anything like that, certainly not the woman I know.
And you can only judge people by what you know of them.
And I mean, in the beginning, I, like the rest of the Rat Pack, were a bit doubting her.
We thought that she was a figure of fun sometimes.
But gradually, over the years, I really came to admire her. And I know she's impulsive.
She does things quite rashly sometimes.
But I can only speak well of her because I've seen her at first hand doing unbelievably wonderful things.
And the work she's done, I feel, which never ever gets publicised enough,
because it's often with people who don't make pretty pictures, paralysed people, dying people,
has never ever been given the credit that it deserves.
Judy, is Kew Strike back in business?
Apparently not. We've heard nothing about Kew Strike over here. I think she's history.
I think the Duke of York was very much in love with his wife and desperate to win her back.
He just didn't realise that she was not wishing to leave him so much as the confines of the royal family,
the claustrophobic life and the rigidity of it, which would get any woman down.
But I mean, I think we mustn't just say, as some people here are saying,
that it's only the newcomers to the royal family, the ones who aren't born royal,
who break the rules. We've got to look back and see that in 1980, 81, Princess Anne,
who's now considered a very, very dignified, wonderful woman,
she had a relationship with her policeman, Sergeant Peter Cross,
which led to all sorts of scandalous stories here in London when he sold his story to the News of the World.
And he revealed that she later took her little baby daughter to visit him
and that he bought baby clothes for the child
and that their friendship was abruptly ended by the palace or people close to the palace
who decided that he was over-familiar with her.
Now, that caused a sensation here, but it's a long time ago and the public have forgotten.
And then there was the relationship between Custach and Prince Andrew.
That was another rather unwise, perhaps, relationship.
So it's the whole family, really, that I think are scoring own goals, you know, one after another.
Judy, we'll await the next instalment with baited breath. We'll talk to you soon to get the next edition of this royal saga.
Thanks for your time, Judy Wade.
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