During his second visit on December 20th, 1975, he left this hotel for a meeting in front of a church.
He was never seen again.
Do you remember how you felt at that time when you discovered what had happened to him,
how he had not been protected, and how you were being handled?
I was so angry, how they could send the defector for such a dangerous mission,
and unprotected completely, and later ask me to keep quiet, not to tell anybody anything,
which was so difficult for me, to keep quiet for 18 months, and without any cooperation from government.
William Colby was director of the CIA when Shadrin disappeared.
Well, unfortunately, we did allow the Soviets to kidnap the individual that was making a secret contact with the Soviets on our behalf.
By our, I mean the United States. I don't want to argue about which agency or any of that.
No, obviously, it's a tragedy that that happened. It's a reflection of the way the Soviets approached their business in those days.
They are very tough fellows, and we know that. We've had other problems with the Soviets around the world,
so it's not a novel kind of a problem to have with the Soviets. But, no, we did not serve him well.
Today, Ava Shadrin supports herself as a dentist. She has learned to live with anger and with false hope.
I was taken by the con man. I spent a great amount of money, and everything now points out that it was fruitless.
Everything came just by accident because of KGB agent defected to the United States.
The agent was Vitaly Yurchenko, former chief of counterintelligence for the KGB.
He defected to the United States in 1985, then returned to the Soviet Union three months later.
Ronald Kessler obtained the first interview published by a Western journalist.
Shadrin had died after the KGB abducted him. The KGB gave him chloroform and didn't mean to kill him, but he was struggling.
And the result of all this was that he did die as he was going to the Czech border in a KGB car.
The CIA, in both the cases of Shadrin and of Yurchenko, dealt with a defector in a rather callous way.
In the case of Shadrin, of course, they actually sent him essentially to his death.
And in the case of Yurchenko, they did not treat him with the dignity and respect that someone of his position would have expected.
They didn't provide him with Russian-speaking intelligence officers, even though he asked for them.
There were leaks of information to the press, which he was mad about.
There was sort of a coldness in the way he was handled.
And so all of this contributed to his re-defection.
Yurchenko's story did not bring peace for Ava Shadrin.
Since then, others have come along saying that Yurchenko lied and that Nick Shadrin is alive and was a Soviet spy all along.
Mrs. Shadrin has written Gorbachev. She has written our government. But the case remains classified. Neither side is talking.
Do you think you'll ever have the full story of what happened to your husband confirmed to your satisfaction?
Well, I hope that I might have, because strange things are happening.
And maybe this one will happen too, that I will know what happened. I might get some confirmation from the Soviets.
That would be ironic, wouldn't it?
Yes, it would be final irony.
But for now, no one, as we said, is talking. It is all classified, not to say very embarrassing.
As former CIA Director Kobe summed it up, quote, we did not serve Nick Shadrin well.
And so Ava Shadrin wonders as she waits.
Mary Ellis.
That's fascinating. Well, is the recession ending?
And if it is, why are so many people out of work?
We'll talk to business editor Jeff Madrick after this.
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Anyone who doubts the recession is upon us is only to look at the numbers.
Unemployment is at its highest in four years at six and a half percent.
That's more than eight million of us out of work.
Four hundred forty three thousand of whom were fired just last month.
The half a million or so who did get jobs got temporary jobs only.
So why are stock prices continuing to rise?
Why are so many analysts heralding the end of the recession along with the end of the war?
Jeff Madrick is here with some thoughts on that.
Why?
Why? Right.
Now let me look into this crystal ball.
The stock market as we know is often an animal that behaves all by itself.
But it has often been a very good leading indicator.
And people are saying hey does it know something out there that we don't know?
I have strong doubts about that.
I think there is a chance something is going on here.
But I think it's a small chance.
I think we're still pretty much mired in this recession.
The market is looking at all the good news and ignoring the bad news.
But the market does know two bits of good news.
A. The war is over.
And B. Recessions end at some point.
Right indeed.
And this one will end I guarantee you that.
But there are so many misconceptions about this war it's hard to believe.
That rebuilding Kuwait will be a boon to the U.S. economy.
It won't make up for all the destruction.
That the war costs were rather small.
The big misconception is now that the war is over the recession will be over.
The fact is despite what Alan Greenspan has said and he has said it often.
The war did not cause this recession.
Unemployment was soaring before this recession.
House prices were dropping rapidly.
That's what caused the recession and a lot of debt.
And that is still here.
Well now the cost of the war you brought it up is about 75 billion.
At least as high as that.
The allies it seems are now going to pick that up.
So American taxpayers don't have to put the bill.
I am shocked that economists are saying this. Shocked.
One of the great reasons we have had a boom in the world economy in the post-World War II period.
Is that economies have become interlocked.
For example Germany is now going to pay part of our costs or so is Japan.
But that is money they needed for other purposes.
Germany badly needs capital for East Germany.
Or Germany could have used that money to buy our own treasury securities and keep our interest rates down.
So the war is very costly to the world economy and the U.S. very much depends on the world economy.
It's one of those misconceptions.
Let's come back to this country to the question that families face in terms of what they can afford to spend.
I think I read this past week that consumer debt is starting to level off or even decline a bit.
Now this is an encouraging sign isn't it for the economy although it's a problem because it means consumers aren't spending.
Right. The reason consumer debt is going down is there is a recession.
Consumers are not spending. They don't want to borrow anymore.
Definitely it's a plus that they start to borrow less.
But in the short term it suggests there is less buying out there.
So I don't think that's a particularly good sign.
But isn't that something that has to happen to lay the foundation for a recovery when it eventually comes?
We've got to start getting our levels of debt down but we haven't done a very good job doing that.
And that's why you can't be too optimistic we're going to get out of this recession yet.
We don't have for example the ability to spend at the state and local government level because they borrowed so much.
They're in big deficits.
The federal government can't pump prime the economy because they can't spend any more money.
All we have is the Federal Reserve and they are not doing enough.
Well the Fed lowered its key interest rate just on Friday.
And the only reason I think to be a little bit hopeful about this economy is not the end of the war.
That will help a little bit. Consumers may get a little more confident but not a lot.
It's that the Fed was at last forced to ease policy somewhat significantly six or seven weeks ago.
And that is helping some interest rates have come down. I don't think enough.
Jeff, investors, households, economists can talk about statistics and policies.
But in the end it comes down to the psychological factor.
What we're all thinking in our minds in terms of how we want to spend the money that we have.
What is going to be the key psychological impetus that this country needs for us to come out of this recession?
That people stop getting fired. That they stop using their jobs. It is very simple.
I mean it is not pure economy. There's some notion around Washington and I think in New York and in the stock market
that you can cheerlead this country out of an economy. You can't do it.
If people are frightened that they're going to be let go, they spend less.
And of course if people are let go, they have to spend less.
That's what's happening right now.
And it is happening. It happened. Those February employment numbers were very bad.
All right. Jeff Madrick, we'll see what the numbers are next month.
Thanks for being with us this morning. And we'll be right back as we continue here in just a moment on Sunday today.
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We'll talk about male infertility and meet some men who are courageous enough to share their pain with us.
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The tragedies of war.
Well, Mary Alice, I've been saying there are so many stories we haven't really heard about
in terms of what happened during the fighting in Iraq and Kuwait, and here's another one.
This morning as Kuwaitis are trying to put their lives back together slowly,
we've discovered a report about misery. That's the word for it, misery.
Most people don't know about young children already accustomed to suffering
were forced into a life of disaster during the Iraqi occupation, which lasted for about seven months.
It was a struggle that some survived, but others tragically did not.
And Deborah Roberts tells us what happened.
Amidst the chaos of the Iraq war, Iraqi soldiers never fired a bullet at the Kuwait home for the handicapped,
but they devastated it just the same.
It's a horror nurse administrator Bahia Aki can't forget.
Before we had 250 staff nurses. Now about 20 or 25, not more than this.
Nearly all the staff, doctors, nurses, and orderlies were so frightened by the Iraqis,
they deserted their patients.
A handful of volunteers like this medical student were left to help run the hospital.
You had to learn everything on the spot.
Yeah, everything. How to feed children. I don't know how to handle these children.
Most of them have paralyzed esophagus and so on.
They really start spitting on you.
It was really disgusting at the beginning, but you get used to it.
This social worker became an emergency nurse.
She was also a nutritionist when there was food.
They took the milk. We stayed for two weeks. We did not give them milk.
With little food to go around during the occupation, most of the children began starving.
Most of them became very, very thin.
She lost weight because there was no food.
No, no enough food. They were putting on the bread with water sometimes.
In the beginning there was milk, but after that no milk.
And there were too few hands to care for the truly helpless.
The most thing that I really hated when a patient died, one day I had to take about five patients to the hospital.
They were suffering from severe dehydration, diarrhea, vomiting and so on. None of them came back.
And it happened again and again. Of 600 patients, 126 died before the Iraqis left.
Daily two or three. Daily we have.
Where did they die from?
Dehydration, list of care, diarrhea. Most of them they have diarrhea.
Must have been heartbreaking, very sad.
Yeah, of course, of course. We suffered too much.
Through their suffering, the small hospital staff found strength.
Even some patients helped in the struggle to survive.
If you want to call somebody, not telephone, she was going to the section and called, come, somebody wants you.
Even when they lost electricity and running water, the workers refused to give up.
They hauled in buckets of water from an outdoor well.
And when they needed hot water, they boiled it outside.
Nursing supervisor, Turkiya Kadeya says it has been a fight to hold the hospital together.
Yes, all the time we are working here. Since the second of August we are using this way.
And it is really very difficult and it gave us much trouble.
But the trouble is bearable now that the war is over.
More volunteers are trickling into the hospital and the electricity may be turned on next week.
Children here are smiling for the first time in months.
And nurse Kadeya hopes the horror will soon be over.
It took a long time to become like that. Seven months. Seven months we are like that.
So it will take more than seven months to be normal like before.
For Sunday Today, Deborah Roberts, NBC News, Kuwait.
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Or model underwear.
Well here's a roll breaker for you.
Old number 22 is donning his Baltimore Oriole gear and getting back into the ball game.
Jim Palmer's the name and at 45 years old he's in the starting lineup against the Boston Red Sox in exhibition tomorrow.
Will he make the team?
We'll see if we can send Douglas Kiker out to size of his chances.
The sun came out today.
We're born again.
There's new grass on the hill.
Day by day I feel myself getting better.
Got a beat up glove, a homemade bat and a brand new pair of shoes.
And I'm rooting for him.
I hope he pulls it off.
Put me in cold.
I'm ready to play.
Just because you say you're making a comeback doesn't mean you're going to come back.
He sure doesn't look like he's 45 years old, does he?
I hope when I'm 45 I'm in that kind of condition.
He looks great.
His problem is he doesn't feel as young as those other guys out there.
But Hall of Fame pitcher Jim Palmer wants to play professional baseball again.
And if it takes sweat, he's willing to sweat.
It's not fun, but you've got to do it.
And that's the way I'm going to be able to tell whether I can pitch or not.
It will never get any tougher than it is in spring training.
Palmer's old team, the Baltimore Orioles, is giving him a chance,
a chance to play once again with the boys of summer.
Go get them, man. Go get them, big boy.
After 20 years as a superstar, the Orioles let him go in 1984,
and Palmer thought his dismissal was a little premature.
Oriole manager Frank Robinson.
We'll give him an opportunity to go out and perform, and we'll judge him on that.
And we'll give him the ball, get him on the mound in the exhibition season,
and see what happens.
Oh, Palmer says that's all he wants, a chance.
I want to make this ball club a merit, and I'm aware of that.
And if I don't make the ball club, then I don't deserve to make it.
Palmer won 268 games as an Oriole, had eight seasons when he won 20 or more,
won three Cy Young Awards, and was elected to baseball's Hall of Fame on the first ballot,
the finest pitcher in Oriole history.
After he retired in 1984, Palmer became a baseball television announcer,
and for years he has graced the pages of various national magazines
as a model for jockey shorts.
So what compels him to go out and compete with a bunch of kids half his age?
Richard Justice, baseball writer for the Washington Post.
I think he's doing it because in the back of his mind he thinks he quit too soon.
And I think he would never forgive himself if he didn't try one more time.
Others say it's envy, that he's envious of Nolan Ryan, who's still pitching Major League ball at age 42.
A lot of people that have been psychoanalyzing Jim Palmer,
it's a midlife crisis, I need to get a convertible, I need to do the Lombard,
I need to get personalized license plates. I've already done all those things.
Whatever, Jim Palmer's out there hustling like a rookie.
He's out here with the youngsters and doing everything that they're doing.
Pitcher Ben MacDonald, who may well be a future superstar himself.
He kind of gives us little pointers out there on the field on how to do certain things
and also how to set up certain hitters, so he's been a big help so far.
The young guys look up to him, they're picking his brain about pitching,
and they're watching him and his work habits.
How's the arm, Jim?
The arm's all right.
The fans are watching him too.
Each day after practice, Palmer is besieged for autographs.
Thank you, Jim.
You're welcome.
His attempted comeback is a media sideshow with constant interviews and occasional press conferences.
I have to make good pitches, and that's real tough to do seven years between starts.
Can he do it? That's the big question on everybody's mind, of course.
No, I just don't think the arm's going to hold up.
If anyone can do it, Jim Palmer can do it.
People all across this country are rooting for Jim Palmer.
Can he do it?
Both Palmer and his manager, who is a former teammate, say this spring's exhibition games will tell the story.
When you have competed at the level and been as successful as he was when he was pitching,
the flame, the intensity, it's hard to put out that flame.
And sometimes in the ball player, it never goes out.
If I get three chances, I'll at least get a chance to find out what I can do and what I can't, and that's all I'm asking for.
You know the time is now.
Oh, put me in code. I'm ready to play today.
Day by day, I feel myself getting better.
Anyone can understand the way I feel.
I'm going to see where this goes.
Got a beat up glove, a homemade bat, and a brand new pair of shoes.
You know I think it's time to give this game a ride.
For Sunday Today, Douglas Kiker, NBC News, Sarasota, Florida.
A moment in the sun, it's a gone and you can't tell that one goodbye.
Well, look at this way. At least it's a way to stay in shape, right? At age 45.
I'd say at 45, I imagine he still has college to pay for.
Why not? You wish him lots of luck. Hope he makes the team.
He certainly has gotten a lot of attention.
And we'll be right back in just a second with more here on Sunday Today.
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Here's a look at the news on this Sunday morning. Overseas, Secretary of State James Baker sat down this morning with Arab foreign ministers in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia to make plans for peace in the post-war Persian Gulf region.
The countries of the Gulf Cooperation Council, plus Syria and Egypt, will provide the bulk of the regional security force that will protect the Persian Gulf and the oil fields there.
Secretary Baker faces major problems when he visits Israel Monday for meetings with Israeli leaders.
The United States and Israel remain miles apart on some key issues.
Correspondent Ed Rabel has this report from Tel Aviv.
A day before Baker's arrival here, Israel's cabinet showed no signs of softening its stand against the return of Arab lands for peace.
What is more, the government leaders for days have been discounting chances that Baker's mission will bring about an immediate breakthrough.
I think it's like a fake finding mission to try and get the proper impressions in order to lay the foundations for future talks.
I don't expect that anything will come out at this point from his visit.
Some Israelis don't want Baker to come here at all.
Suspected extreme rightists tried to burn down the U.S. Consulate Library overnight to protest the visit,
reinforcing Palestinian doubts about U.S. ability to make Israel be flexible.
Land for peace can never come about until the United States makes it absolutely clear to the Israelis that it insists on this international formula
and is willing to put some concrete pressure to implement it.
But Israeli Foreign Minister David Levy already has warned Baker that too much pressure could drive Israel away from peace.
For now, about all the Israelis are willing to do is sit and listen to what Baker has to say.
Ed Rabel, NBC News, Tel Aviv.
And there is this important development today.
A senior PLO official said this morning, said that the Palestine Liberation Organization has given the OK for a meeting between Secretary Baker and Palestinians.
While Baker is in Israel, Baker has said that he's prepared to meet with Palestinian representatives if they ask for that meeting.
And that's the news and also the other news this morning that the POWs will be coming home.
About 5,000 American servicemen are coming home each day. That's the average for about 20, 21 POWs.
And not a day too soon. It has the weather for them.
Well, if they're going to be in the midsection of the country, it looks pretty good. We've got some rain on both coasts and some snows as well.
And what about their first week back? Well, here's how it shapes up.
We are expecting in our week ahead as far as temperatures are concerned, some cold weather from the Great Lakes on into the northeast in New England.
In fact, much of the country is going to be cool, really only warm spots in Texas, the desert southwest, and the eastern, I should say western, parts of the Gulf Coast.
As far as precipitation is concerned, well, we're looking for basically scattered showers throughout much of the country.
The only really dry spot is going to be the southwest.
Showers even in Hawaii. We're looking for wet weather in the northwest.
Wet, very wet into the Plains states in the lower Ohio Valley with some snows in the upper Great Lakes.
That's what's going on around the country. Here's what's happening in your neck of the woods.
And that's your latest weather.
And baby makes three. It's a saying that for thousands of American couples remains a promise unfulfilled.
Up until now, considered a female problem, more and more men are coming to grips with their own infertility.
That and more as Sunday Today continues.
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Career, spouse, home and child.
Considered part of what we call having it all.
But more and more when couples are ready to have that all important baby, the results can be frustrating.
Infertility is nothing new, but what is new is the fact that the problems of male infertility are just now really being explored.
Both medically and personally.
One day as I walked with my son hand in hand, he said there are things that I don't understand.
Our children, our prize package of hope, dreams and our future.
But for almost two and a half million couples last year, their prize package was left undelivered because of infertility.
Infertility finally made me cry in public.
To me it happened one Christmas.
It was a silly little present from a niece of mine.
And all of a sudden I felt that we were never going to have a family.
You know she sent a picture frame and it had a, you know with the little openings for, you know she had a picture of my parents and a picture of their family and a picture of us.
And in the center was one that said, for the one you want.
See there I go again.
It was, she didn't mean it as for, this is an opening for your baby's picture.
It was, she didn't have enough pictures to fill it.
So what she wanted was for us to put a picture there.
I took it as, here's the whole of my life.
And I could not tell a story at this time without breaking.
This is Rich Walters pain.
The pain of infertility.
These men are reacting to an experience shared by about 15% of all couples of reproductive age in the United States.
They are confronting a reality that infertility is not just a woman's issue.
For years when an infertility problem existed it was simply assumed that it was the female problem.
Men just didn't have these problems.
Dr. Ira Charlup, a San Francisco urologist specializing in male infertility, says medical factors leading to infertility are divided equally.
40% of the time it's either a problem with the man or the woman.
But for men it hits home hard.
It calls manhood into question.
In the great majority of men, more than 50%, where we cannot identify a cause, we do not have treatment for it.
We grow up with the idea that we're going to have children, that we're going to have a family,
and when the news comes that that is not possible, it can often precipitate very difficult feelings of depression,
unhappiness, a feeling of hopelessness about the future.
There's a line, statistics are human beings with the tears wiped off.
I never thought about the infertile population until I became a statistic.
Tom Klein and his wife Karen became statistics four years ago.
Married for nine years, their education completed, their careers on track.
They decided it was time to start a family and really live the American dream.
I just think people expect, as I did, that you'll be parents.
It's a question of when, not if.
It's a question of how many, not if.
And I mean for me too, it was kind of like, okay, well we heard this news, but gee, there's some medical things we can do, and we're going to do it, and we're going to succeed.
Here we are four years later, still working at it, and with no answers in sight basically.
And infertility is so insidious because it's failure after failure.
But finally, last spring, Karen was pregnant.
I'd always said that if we got pregnant, there'd be joy in Bloomington.
I'd be dancing in the streets.
And when we found out, we made a point over a couple weeks' span to go see a lot of friends and family.
And Karen would knock first and go in, and they'd wonder what we were doing there because we'd show up unannounced.
And we'd tell them, and I'd pull the camera out and click a picture and try and just freeze that moment because these are people who would walk the journey with us.
There was the best news I could have imagined, you know.
And a couple months later, Karen started spotting and had a miscarriage.
I mean, I never felt so helpless in all my life.
It was like there wasn't anything I could do about it.
Tom Klein's frustration and sorrow was even more pointed around the Christmas holidays.
We listened in as he and other members of an infertility support group called Resolve shared their feelings.
We went through a lot of denial.
Even though I was hurting inside and felt the pain, I never really talked to Tara about it.
I just wanted to ask the group, was a loss of self-esteem a big thing for everybody?
The men range in age from 20-something to 40-something.
They've spent between two and nine years dealing with infertility.
For some, the medical problem rests with the wife, but for others, it's a low or zero sperm count.
Men, even with a zero sperm count, are still completely male in every aspect,
and it's often helpful for patients to understand that this is not any threat to their masculinity or maleness.
Discussing that issue can help many patients deal with the problem.
Drugs, surgery, and embryo implantation are just part of a $1 billion a year industry
that last year helped bring 200,000 babies to infertile couples.
But 50% of all infertile couples won't have a child, and for some, adoption becomes a reality.
This is Meredith Walters, Rich's adopted daughter.
Tom Cummings had been considering adoption after spending almost half of his 15-year marriage trying to have a baby,
but December 28th, he got word of a Christmas miracle.
She was really nervous, and she'd just come from the doctor, but I was kind of anticipating,
well, this is probably some more bad news. She looks really serious, etc.
And she just said to me, I said, well, what's wrong? She said, nothing really.
She said that I just wanted to know how you'd like to be a daddy in 1991, which is pretty exciting.
Well, there is resolved groups. There are resolved groups all across the country,
and for the one nearest to you, they're in the phone book.
Just call information, and they will give you that number.
This is so terrific to see, because somebody said to me once years ago,
you might as well take your wedding portrait and rip it in half.
The fact that people can now talk about it on either side makes that possibility.
But should it be more difficult? It is more difficult perhaps for men to talk about it than for women,
because it's been suppressed, it's been denied for so long.
Exactly. Women tend to talk about this amongst themselves more.
Men finally are starting to do it.
Dr. Ira Sharlow says part of the problem has been, as far as male infertility research,
is that it's been dominated by the male of the species, and so very little work has been done on it.
We've always assumed that it's a female problem.
When do, what's the time that they start getting a diagnosis?
Well, he says, Dr. Sharlow says, if you're a couple in your 30s,
you've been trying for six to nine months to have a baby, and you haven't, that's the time to look into it.
Thanks very much. Next, problems at the workplace. Who can you call for advice these days?
We'll visit a telephone hotline center for the nine to five shift, and there, there's certainly no shortage of calls.
I'd like some information and some help about sexual harassment at work.
You're being sexually harassed?
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20 million Americans are office workers.
80% of them are women and 80% of them make less than 20,000 a year.
And many of them are beginning to wonder whether the office of the future is the sweatshop of the past.
There are many problems come down to a matter of respect.
An issue that's business as usual for a hotline with some hot tips called, appropriately, 9 to 5.
9 to 5's national hotline. This is Sharon. May I help you?
I feel like when I go into work I get sick to my stomach.
I've been out of work for a long time and I'm also 57 years old.
What is this person asking you?
Bluntly, will I have an affair with him? And other things. And he and I both are married.
Problems on the job? Wonder what to do?
Sharon Kinsella has the answers.
Crowding this tiny room in downtown Cleveland, she spouts them all day on the 9 to 5 hotline.
Some 65,000 calls since it started in 1989.
Questions about everything from getting credit for suggestions to getting legal protection.
Questions from the embattled and embittered.
The office workers.
Hi, I'm calling because I have a problem. I'm returning to work on Monday.
I've been out on maternity leave for four and a half months.
Four and a half months? How come you were out that long?
They all thought I was going to be a good person.
Ah, gee, too bad to disappoint them, but you need to feed your kids.
Economically, it's become tougher and tougher for families to support themselves.
And so women who before would have chosen to stay home, have to choose to work and raise their families at the same time.
And they think that they can. They think that industry is going to allow them to have their families into work.
And they're real surprised when they find out that this is not the way companies want things to go.
Why wouldn't it be to a company's benefit to help women to be more family friendly?
I have no idea. I can't figure this out. I talk to these people all the time.
And it seems like there's a perception that women are a disposable commodity in a lot of these places.
Oh, you're going to have a baby where we don't want you anymore.
Like something's going to change in you, where you're going to lose your skills.
You're going to lose your maturity, your intelligence, and all your ability because you're becoming a mother.
In 1973, Karen Nussbaum, 9 to 5's executive director, was an office worker at Harvard University,
fed up and fired up over low pay, insulting treatment, and bleak prospects.
She founded 9 to 5 as a resource for women trying to survive on the job.
What has changed in the problems in the workforce from 1973 to the present?
There are many ways in which the problems are the same.
When we first started 9 to 5, our slogans were pay, promotions, and respect, or rights and respect for women office workers.
And I don't know that you really need to improve very much on those slogans.
It's very much the same situation.
But there are a couple things that have changed enormously.
One is that our issues have really come to be seen as public issues, as social problems.
We can cover East Coast and West Coast lunch hours. We're going to be fine.
Okay. Good.
The job survival hotline is not part of a union, and it's the non-unionized workers who use it most.
Workers whose companies don't have formal grievance procedures or collective bargaining.
Workers who can be fired for any reason or no reason.
As needs come up.
I was picking something out of my car. I don't know what happened, but all of a sudden I couldn't breathe.
You had an anxiety attack.
Chest pains. I'm standing up giving a formal presentation with chest pains.
My boss is sitting there. After the presentation, I go to the hospital.
They put me out sickly. Once I come back, I get a letter, a memo that says,
I'm on probation, and that was the worst presentation she ever saw.
Your state recognizes work-related stress as a workers' comp claim.
I thought stress was something you just couldn't prove.
No, no, you can prove stress, especially when you wind up in an emergency room.
Sharon knows about stress. She's got three kids and two jobs. She's been a secretary and hated it.
Been a technician and was lousy at it.
I didn't like it. I really hated it. It was stupid and boring.
The only thing I liked doing was dusting out the circuit boards and soldering.
You've been on unemployment. You've been on welfare.
What kind of an edge does that give you in talking to these people?
I know what it's like to have a real tough time out there.
I'm not somebody saying, yes, I can feel where you're coming from.
I can say, I've been where you're coming from, and it wasn't that long ago.
When you're real poor or when you don't have any resources, you feel hopeless.
You get so exhausted with trying to take care of yourself and your family
that you can't deal with other problems. You just don't have the energy.
I'd like some information and some help about sexual harassment at work.
You're being sexually harassed?
Yeah, a lot, yeah.
Is this person touching you?
Yes, all over, with his hands in his private part.
How are you? Are you okay?
Yeah, I'm angry.
I know you're angry. You're being violated.
And nobody's helping you with this?
I've told the manager lots of times, and he says he can't get rid of him for unjust cause
because he can turn over...
It's not unjust cause. You're being abused.
My manager makes jokes about it.
I want you to talk to your local law enforcement agency.
I want you to either talk to the police or to your prosecutor.
You're being assaulted.
The other thing that you should do is you should call your local rape crisis center.
You're being sexually abused.
These are the people who are desperate for some kind of help.
They have just experienced some traumatic event.
Then Sharon gets on the phone and she feels like dynamite.
She thinks this is great because those women want some change.
They are ready. They're ready to get hooked into something, to just have someone say,
yeah, you're right. Go after that guy. Do something about that.
Here's a little bit of help. I'm behind you. And that's all they need.
Well, it's exciting.
The two most valuable pieces of advice we got from Sharon.
Write down what you do each day. It's useful for evaluations.
And for heaven's sake, read your employee handbook. Your rights are listed there.
And if people want to call, there is a number for that, an 800 number, right?
There is. It's 1-800-245-9865. And it's past your word of mouth.
Some people, secretaries have found that their predecessors left it for them.
Mothers are telling sisters. Cousins are telling cousins.
It's amazing, isn't it, what the 800 number has done in terms of these helplines,
these hotlines on so many varieties of problems.
You can call somebody and get that information now. Very good to have that.
So call that 800 number if you need it indeed.
Next, the high school girls basketball team is our story.
It's a Navajo team from New Mexico whose coach just won't allow the players there to quit.
They're from Shiprock, New Mexico, and they've created a basketball dynasty in the state on Friday.
They are in Albuquerque trying for their fourth state championship.
The outcome after this.
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Can't keep a good man down, can't keep a good man down.
Well, he was born at Christmas and he lived the life of a Jewish boy
working in the family business and at the age of 30 he took to the streets.
He fed the poor, he healed the sick, he taught the crowds,
he warned the rich and the leaders.
And they brought him in and they turned him out and they hung him up to die,
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And they took him down and they buried him deep, so deep.
But he rose again and he defeated death.
And he is here right now, yes he is here right now.
And he hears us when we pray.
And we say, can't keep a good man down, can't keep a good man down.
Jesus, can't keep a good man down, can't keep a good man down.
Jesus.
Earlier this morning in our program we saw how baseball pitcher Jim Palmer
is trying to make a comeback in the big leagues.
And now we have another example of how people can use sports to grow,
to develop pride in themselves. You can call this native pride.
You can see it in a basketball team, a high school girls team
on the Navajo reservation in New Mexico.
And you can also feel it Friday night at the state championships in Albuquerque.
Roger O'Neill is going to tell us about their story.
Come on girls, work it!
I'm coming.
Stick it up, be away!
The girls basketball team from Shiprock, New Mexico did not win their fourth state championship this year.
But this is not a story about basketball.
It is a story about creating opportunity
Be very aggressive.
for young girls who otherwise might not have a chance.
Be ready! Look up! Pick it up!
And it is about a man named Jerry Richardson who will not let his girls quit.
We're trying to build character.
It's not just going in the gym and shooting baskets.
It's not about winning or losing games.
It's about preparing yourself to go out and deal with adversity
and becoming successful.
I mean the trophies gather dust.
You know, the kids don't. They keep moving.
Adversity and failure was and for some still is a way of life in Shiprock.
This is not a land of opportunity.
The Navajos believe the rock their town is named for looks like a bird that crashed.
Much like their lives.
They call it a rock with wings.
It is not the majestic clipper ship the white man saw when he came here.
Indian kids play a lot of basketball because there's not much else to do.
It's one of the few forms of recreation they can afford.
Coach Richardson changed that.
The game is now a way to escape the ghetto of despair.
That's it.
Basketball is just an avenue.
You know, the bottom line I think is all the other little things.
Being responsible, being dependable, making a commitment.
My message to them is you can do anything you want to do.
All you need is an opportunity.
And that means on or off the basketball court.
There's commitment to family.
It is not unusual to see a player babysitting a brother or sister at practice.
Family comes first.
This is a possibility.
Academics come second.
Eighteen former players are in college now and less than half of them are playing basketball.
Artist Tessini is a senior who wants to be a nurse.
Coach Richardson has helped us to realize the abilities that we have as individuals.
And to use our abilities to the best that we can.
Peewee Begay is the team leader, the point guard.
She thinks the coach is like her dad.
Keeps her out of trouble, keeps her focused on what she wants to do, which is the major in business.
He's done a lot for us.
And he taught us not, he taught us never to quit.
And keep pushing ourselves.
Music
You gotta use your head.
They're pressing us.
We don't need to be running up and down the court out of control.
Coach Richardson admits he is a tough taskmaster.
There's a mismatch inside Peewee.
They have to deal with me.
I'm not the easiest person to deal with.
I'm very strict.
I'm very hard on them.
I push them.
Sometimes I push them to the point of breaking before I back off.
The strength of the kids, I think, is, it's amazing, you know, that they can fight through all the adversities that we have to deal with on a daily basis.
And still walk out of this program and say, okay, well, I'm ready.
Now give me my opportunity.
In their semifinal game this weekend against the stronger, taller, more mature team from Portales, New Mexico, Shiprock never had the lead.
But with three seconds to go in regulation, the Lady Chiefsons tied the game.
In overtime, they fell behind again and again tied their opponent for the last second shot.
In the second overtime, with two seconds to go and again behind, but this time with no chance to catch up, Coach Richardson called timeout.
They would lose the game.
But remember, this is not a story about winning trophies.
You had every opportunity in the world to win.
This is what got us in trouble.
You got to remember, you put yourself in this position, game's over, you walk over, you shake their heads.
I don't want to see one person's head drop.
You got it?
Okay.
After the game in the locker room with tears in their eyes, the coach again assumed the role of teacher.
Wrong attitude.
Like I say, it bothers me as much as it does you, but you got to accept it.
It's over.
I understand you're disappointed.
We're all disappointed.
You got to get your head up.
You got to walk out of this room just like you walked in.
You didn't lose.
The other team played better.
They just played a little bit better.
There are no losers in here.
Winning in life, more important than winning a game.
The Lady Chiefs from Shiprock are learning that, even when it hurts.
For Sunday Today, Roger O'Neill, NBC News, Albuquerque, New Mexico.
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Secretary Baker met with Arab leaders for 90 minutes this morning in Riyadh.
The next stop on Baker's 10-day tour, Cairo.
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Iraqi opposition forces say they're making progress in their rebellion against Saddam Hussein.
In northern Iraq, Kurdish guerrillas say they've captured at least six towns.
In southern Iraq, we have reports of heavy fighting.
Some opposition sources say violence has erupted in Baghdad as well.
Well, Mary Alice, I meet the press today when we're talking about the after post-war period, what it means in terms of politics in this country.
Elections are, after all, next year, 1992.
Our guests will be Senator Charles Robb, Democrat and Phil Gramm, Republican.
They're chairman of their party's Senate campaign committee.
We're talking about patriotism, politics and governing in this country after the war.
Hour and a half went by quickly today, right?
Yes, it did.
Watching those girls at that tournament reminds me that the most intense emotional experience I think you can have in sports is a state basketball tournament, right?
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We're from the Middle West, so you know what it was like there.
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No, I think he played in the water board.
You didn't, did you?
I didn't.
You know he's six foot seven?
Six foot seven.
I died on the court once I got to college, gave up then.
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Hello again. I meet the press today.
Patriotism and politics, the flag, the nation in the 1992 elections.
Our guests this morning are the chairman of the Senate campaign committees for their respective parties.
Senator Charles Robb, Democrat of Virginia and Senator Phil Gramm, Republican of Texas.
From NBC News, this is Meet the Press with Garrett Utley.
Here is one way to jolt yourself back to reality and normalcy now that the war is over and the troops are coming home.
The presidential election year, the first primaries, are less than a year away.
Think about that for a moment.
Potential Democratic contenders have waited for the war to end before announcing their candidacies.
They want to survey the political battlefield first.
Will those who voted against the congressional authorization for the use of force supporting the president and that find that they are political casualties of the war?
Is patriotism going to be a partisan issue next year? Is the election going to be a contest?
That's what we're asking this morning, asking of Senators Charles Robb and Phil Gramm.
And joining me on the panel are Andrea Mitchell, NBC News Chief Congressional Correspondent and David Broder of the Washington Post.
Good morning, Senators.
Good morning.
Thanks for being here. You know the questions right off the bat.
We'll start with you, Senator Robb.
Is it not legitimate for the Republicans to use the Democrats' votes, those who voted against the resolution for the use of force, in this upcoming political year?
Isn't that not a legitimate question?
Sure it's a legitimate question. It's legitimate to use it.
The only question I have raised is whether or not now is the appropriate time.
I question whether using it as soon as the fighting started was the appropriate time, particularly after the president has asked us on a nonpartisan basis to close ranks behind the troops in that particular engagement.
I think we did so and I think that was important to the victory and it's not a very positive signal to the troops and our international allies.
Do you think the Republicans are misusing this?
I won't say they're misusing it, but I do think that there's a time and a place for politics and I think you can overuse it early.
I've talked about this with my colleague Phil Gramm before and I think you can fire your final protective fires a little too early in this particular venture.
Disclose some of the things you might be going to do later on down the line.
People are going to remember those votes. They're recorded.
The statements are all there. They're reprinted in the congressional record and elsewhere.
I'm just suggesting that I think we ought to take a couple weeks off, enjoy the euphoria that all of us are experiencing right now because of an extraordinary victory, an extraordinary opportunity to regain our national collective sense of confidence and goodwill and then we can sort some of the politics out down the road.
Well, the issue is not going to go away because politics is going to grow more intense as the months come and we go into 1992, but Senator Gramm, patriotism and politics, are the two to be mixed?
Is patriotism a legitimate issue in the upcoming campaign and can one question one's patriotism in terms of how he or she voted on this resolution in Congress?
Well, Garrick, I don't think the war is the issue and I certainly don't think patriotism is the issue, but I think judgment is the issue.
The issue has to do with a vote that occurred on January the 12th.
The President had united the world, gotten the support of the Soviet Union, obtained a resolution of the U.N. supporting his position.
He came to Congress, asked for a bipartisan base of support, asked that through that support America speak with one voice, with one final opportunity for a peaceful settlement.
He didn't get it.
Eighty percent of the Democratic members of the Senate opposed the President, voted to undercut his position to world leadership.
Had they prevailed, none of the good feeling and triumph that we're experiencing today would have occurred.
So I think it is an issue. I think it's an issue of judgment.
I think also that it is very harmful to the Democrats because it reinforces what the public has believed for 20 years.
And that is that Democrats are not reliable on national defense, national security and international leadership issues.
For years, decades of Republicans have been saying that Democrats are the party of wars, World War I, II, Korea, Vietnam.
Now this occurred on the Republican watch. Do you have to change that and say this is not?
I think the argument that was made then, I was not making it since being part of it I wasn't allowed, but I think the argument was lack of preparedness.
I think here we were prepared thanks to the Reagan defense buildup and I think we got the payoff of that trillion dollars we invested in national defense
and recruiting the best people, building the best weapons that the mind of man has ever developed.
Senator Robb, you have said though that you think that this vote should be a threshold qualification for presidential nominees.
Does that mean that Mario Cuomo who suggested give him a little oil, give him a few islands, negotiate a bit,
Dick Gephardt who said well we might have to use the only tool available to us in Congress, cut off the funding if the president starts a war without our approval.
Should all these people, George Mitchell, be disqualified, Sam Nunn from running for president?
Andrea, no that's not exactly what I said. I did say indeed that it is a threshold question
and I think that presidential candidates uniquely will bear a heavier burden in proving to the American people that they're capable of making those tough decisions,
that they're capable of understanding the need for the use of force in some equations in our international picture
and that they're not simply the way that my friend Phil Graham here would like to portray all Democrats.
I'm suggesting if they can get past that threshold question then they can be examined on other issues
which are much more likely to be relevant to the voters in 1992 like the basic economic and pocket book issues.
But you're suggesting that it's a much harder test for them. What about your own role?
You were one of the ten senators who voted with the president. Are you being punished because of that in your party?
No, I would say that there is a certain feeling of anxiety amongst a number of my colleagues and it is noticeable, it is somewhat unspoken.
And I'm in the awkward position of having argued strenuously for precisely the position that Phil Graham now talks about
both in terms of the merits, the need to support the president, the catastrophic or devastating impact of failing to support the president at that critical time
and yet now saying that for most of the Senate races and almost all the non-presidential races
if individual candidates who are up for election in 1992 can explain their vote as a matter of conviction
and not as a matter of political expedience, they'll be judged on their entire record.
I'm not saying it's any easier but I was arguing very strongly on the merits as well as the politics.
I said the politics are going to hurt you on this one and I didn't get very many takers.
Let me ask you just to clear something up. We have heard a report that you are being removed from the Senate Budget Committee
as punishment for your vote which would be unprecedented in the middle of a congressional...
I don't really want to get into that. There's more there than meets the eye of the Budget Committee.
It's not going to be one of the more effective institutions in the next couple of years.
The budget agreement as you know pretty much emasculated the role of the Budget Committee for the next three years.
You're leaving the Budget Committee then?
I will be leaving the Budget Committee in due course.
At Senator Sasser, the Budget Chairman's request?
I really don't want to get into all of the background on that.
That sounds as though you're saying yes.
I will stand by what I have done. I think my role in the Budget Committee speaks for itself.
But just to follow up on this point that Andrea raised, does your vote on the war resolution play any role in the decision,
whosoever it is, for you to leave the Budget Committee?
If I were to suggest any particular role, I would suggest that it had to do with my unwillingness to report out a meaningless budget resolution.
I've been fairly intractable on that position as well.
But again, like my fellow Democrats, I vote my conscience.
Senator Graham, you said this morning, as you've said other times in the last week or so, that patriotism is not the issue that you're raising.
But this war had barely been one week old when you signed and sent out a fundraising letter for your committee attacking the quote,
appeasement before country liberals. What is that, if not a question of patriotism?
Again, I think, David, basically the letter was sent to Republican supporters asking them to speak out in support of the President.
These were people who had given money to the Republican Senatorial Committee.
The letter asked them to get out, speak out for the President.
It referred to professional—
And sent them $500 or $1,000.
Oh, that's right. And also to be sure that professional protesters, many of them lost in the 60s—
I just think it is like the national Democratic leadership to not allow protesters to be the only people speaking on the war.
And I'm proud that we spoke out in support of the President, voted that way, and we ask our financial backers to do the same.
Are the people in the United States Senate who voted opposite you and Senator Rob on this question appeasement before country liberals?
No, but the letter was in reference to protesters who were the only people speaking at the time.
And as you know from the Washington Post survey, many of them were protesters in the 1960s who had opposed George Bush on everything.
Senator, you've spoken about people who voted to, I think the phrase is, undercut the President, to weaken his position in the world.
Now, when you go to Iowa sometime in the next year to speak on behalf of your friend Senator Grassley,
a Republican who opposed the President's inclination to go to war in January,
what are you going to tell the Iowa voters about Senator Grassley?
Well, Dave, I think that Chuck Grassley was wrong on that issue.
I think that clearly for him, as with every Democrat who voted the other way, it was a matter of conviction.
But I think it was a wrong conviction. I think he is accountable to the voters on that issue.
And I think they have every right to look at that issue as part of his overall record and to choose whether to support him or oppose him on that vote.
If an opponent of Senator Grassley accused him of undercutting the President, would you say that's a fair comment?
I would say it is a very fair comment. Had his position prevailed, we would have had chaos in terms of the position that the President had as a world leader. There's no doubt about it.
But the position did not prevail. The resolution passed and not many Democrats voted against it.
Senator Robb, do you want to make a comment?
Well, I just want to point out that we talk about the failure of bipartisanship, but it was a bipartisan resolution.
The Democrats still control both houses of Congress without Democratic support. That resolution would not have passed.
The President made a clear appeal for Democratic support. Many of us assisted in that appeal.
We got enough Democrats to pass it, and we didn't have the catastrophic consequences that might well have resulted if we hadn't.
Could I respond real quickly? But Chuck, doesn't it make you nervous that you were the only Democratic leader in the House and Senate that supported the President,
that had every other leader in your party prevailed, that the President's position would have been undercut and we would have had chaos?
Bill, I will admit to you that I would have preferred to see more Democrats support the President,
and I argued that particular case is persuasive as I could.
What I'm suggesting to you now is let's not question implicitly, and Dave Broder's question elicited that response,
implicitly question their patriotism by talking about appeasement types or about trying to undercut the President.
Most of the people made a choice based on conviction as to which was the best time they were willing to use force,
and they were solidly behind our troops when the push came to shove.
And now we're looking back at what happened. Senators, we have many more questions about these and other subjects that are concerning us and facing us these days.
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Andrew Mitchell, David Broder, and I are talking politics among other subjects with Senators Charles Robb, Democrat, and Phil Gramm, Republican, Chairman of their party's Senate Campaign Committee.
Senators, let's turn to some of today's news and events, the situation in Iraq.
The resistance there is continuing. Our government apparently sent a warning to Iraq that if they use chemical weapons against the resistance, we would attain the right to attack those units using the chemical weapons. Is this wise, Senator?
I think it is. At this point, the war has not formally been concluded. It's clear that we have an opportunity to influence the outcome.
We made it very clear from the outset that any use of weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein could well be visited with very serious consequences.
I think to take that off the table in any way, shape, or form would be losing a strategic advantage that we enjoy at this point. We shouldn't do it.
Perhaps a strategic advantage there, but Senator Gramm, the fact is the war is over. We clearly won. We crushed Iraq as it were sending American pilots back in to risk their lives to do this.
Well, Garrick, the war is not over. We have not reached a permanent ceasefire. We have taken the position from the very beginning that we would not tolerate the use of chemical weapons.
I think we have every right to intervene, and I think also we have a bottom line objective. We want Saddam Hussein out of power.
So I think clearly if they use chemical weapons, we will attack the units using those weapons. I think we should.
Do you think, Senator Gramm, that we should proceed and try to get Saddam Hussein out of power?
Well, we've never had that as a bottom line declared objective, but I think in terms of normalizing our relations with the Iraqi people,
in terms of achieving the lasting peace we want in the region, I think it's something that would make it much easier to achieve those goals.
I think within the constraints we face, I think we ought to do everything we can in terms of influence and assistance,
at least in terms of encouragement, to try to induce its own people to overthrow. And the President called on them to do that. I hope they're successful. I hope they do it soon.
You know, Senator, we've talked a lot about the vulnerability of the Democrats. What about the Republican vulnerability on all of the events leading up to the war?
In fact, you sponsored an amendment which would have weakened sanctions, eliminated sanctions on agricultural products, right before the invasion of Kuwait.
Well, that's not totally accurate. The issue was the use of economic sanctions.
Senator Benson and I co-sponsored an amendment that said use sanctions if they're effective, but if they only hurt American farmers
and they don't hurt the people they're targeted at, then find other ways to be more effective. I think most Americans agree with that.
So if you're going to hurt somebody, as I said in the debate, don't aim the gun at yourself, aim it at somebody else.
I supported sanctions. We used them. They did hurt Iraq.
But you wanted to exclude sanctions for your constituents, for the farmers.
That's not accurate. What I wanted to do was to say that we had to impose the sanctions in such a way that they hurt the country we were trying to hurt and not us.
I think Senator Robb has an opinion.
The bottom line, however, is there were 40,000 Iraqi troops massed on the border with Kuwait at that particular moment, and you went the other way.
It's just as irrelevant in terms of trying to make the positions of the Democratic senators who happen to want to take more time in good conscience,
who happen to agree with other colleagues, to say that that is equally as supportable as a lack of patriotism or support for the war, support for the President. It's ridiculous.
Chuck, I don't think that's accurate. There had been no invasion. The question was about the use of economic sanctions.
We had used them before under Jimmy Carter. They had only hurt the American farmer. They had not hurt the Soviet Union.
And so Senator Benson, others, and I tried to assure that if we used them in the future against Iraq or anybody else, that they were effective.
Senator Graham, let me quote a statement that was made in that debate that you're talking about.
Why?
By a Democrat, but by a fellow Republican, Bill Cohen of Maine. He said, speaking of your amendment, it's not only a weakening amendment, it is in fact a destructive amendment.
He called it, and this is his word, part of a policy of appeasement toward Iraq.
Well, my response is the amendment said use sanctions against Iraq or anybody else, but when you use them, make them work.
It doesn't just hurt the American farmer. It didn't end sanctions. It just said that once sanctions were imposed against anybody,
if they turned out not to affect the country we were trying to affect, but only affect the American farmer, that we gave the secretary the power to go back and look at changing them.
I think that's perfectly reasonable.
Does the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the Democrats on it, plan to examine the diplomatic history, pre-war diplomatic history, and try to decide now whether the Bush administration handled Iraq sensibly before the war began?
I think like the postmortem with all conflicts, there'll be an attempt to see what we can learn in terms of the diplomacy that led up to the individual decisions.
I don't know if it'll be punitive. Clearly there are some individual decisions that are ripe for examination, and the nine or ten years preceding the war,
where we clearly opted on the side of Iraq under Republican administrations would be one of the things that might be looked at,
the instructions to the individual ambassador immediately prior to the invasion of Iraq, the fact that the sanctions were opposed right before that invasion took place, would all be relevant factors.
I really don't think that they're going to be any more important than Phil's characterization of the vote by individual senators.
But Senator, what you're saying here is that you're really going to be focusing on the State Department, that is the administration policy in those weeks and months leading up to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
Now this could have political ramifications, couldn't it?
I'm saying that I think that the examination will take place.
Some of us are not going to push the political aspects of it as much as simply to see if we can learn and maybe to do better.
Most of the successes that we enjoyed in this war were directly related to things that we learned in most of the preceding engagements, particularly the military engagements.
But we already know an awful lot about what happened. We know what happened between the American ambassador and Saddam with that famous interview just before the invasion.
We knew that Secretary Baker was preoccupied with other problems involving the Soviet Union at that time.
You must have a sense as to what the verdict is going to be. What is it?
Well, I'm suggesting to you that there is potential political vulnerability there.
I'm saying that some of us are more likely to look at the larger picture and some will probably focus in on that, in part to offset some of the kind of rhetoric that we're going to get from Phil and the rest of the colleagues that want to punish people for a particular vote.
Senator Graham, the President has said that he thinks that this war should not be used politically against his opponents.
Why are you and Newt Gingrich and others in Congress proceeding to hammer the Democrats when the President of the United States has said that he thinks that that's not appropriate?
Andrea, the war is not an issue. What is an issue is that on January the 12th, when the President had put together a coalition involving, for all practical purposes, the whole world, he had a critical moment in his position of world leadership where he needed bipartisan support.
And when he asked for that support, 80 percent of the Democratic members of the United States Senate voted no. It is not a question of patriotism. It is a question of judgment.
And why it is so important is that historically Americans have been suspicious of Democrats on the issue of foreign policy and national defense.
As Chuck said, this is a harmful issue for people who are running for president. But now it's not just candidates for president. It's the leadership of the Democratic Party in both houses of Congress that on that issue they cannot be trusted to set the destiny of America.
Senator Rob, do you think the Democrats face serious problems in the Congressional elections Senate and House next year?
I don't think the problems are going to be half as serious as they're perceived to be right now.
I concede that if the presidential election or if the Senate and House elections were held tomorrow, we'd have a tougher time.
But all of the domestic agenda, all of the economic factors are going to be on the table at that particular time.
And again, let me make one point. I made this to Phil before, but he's forgotten again.
Most of the people that fought in this war and have fought in previous wars come disproportionately from Democratic constituencies.
But they're not worried about being Democrats or Republicans or any other party.
They're terribly proud of their country, but they're most concerned about the grunt on the right and the grunt on the left who are actually fighting that war at the moment that they're laying their lives on the line.
And I think that they become very disenchanted when back home we try to politicize it, particularly when we politicize it before we've even got most of them home.
Well, one of the things we know is that politicians have a way of politicizing something, especially when an election has come, even though it's 18 months or so away.
Senator Rob, Senator Graham, thank you very much for being with us this morning.
I'm Andrew Mitchell, David Brodeur, and I'll be back with some personal observations.
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We're back now comparing notes. David Broder, Andrea Mitchell, George Bush, popularity 90 percent plus.
Having a very good weekend I suppose up there in the mountaintop in Camp David, Maryland.
And yet is this support any deeper, any more solid than it was before? It is certainly broader. David.
Yes, it is deeper because he's tapped in on some very basic American values.
And even if they erode between now and election time, they can be revived.
But the feelings of patriotism, of unity, of pride and of optimism that this is produced in the country.
That's very important, this word optimism, isn't it? This feeling. Something has changed, Andrea.
There's been a very big turnaround in people's attitudes about the country and polling.
It shows that people believe that we're heading in the right direction, remarkable change.
New polls show greater confidence. I think that, I agree with David, Bush has defined himself.
Okay, how does he use this now, this new definition? Domestic agenda, not much there so far in specifics.
People asking, is he going to provide the kind of leadership at home he provided in the Persian Gulf?
I think not because I don't think he wants to waste his capital on domestic issues that don't really interest him.
When he was before the joint session he talked about two things,
a civil rights bill that hasn't even been written and proposed and a transportation bill, highway money.
That's all he is proposing. I think he will try to use that capital to do something significant and change the face of the Middle East.
Perhaps to finally reach solutions there.
But again, let's come back to home here in the United States, David.
Can a president be an effective president, a great president without dealing with domestic issues?
Probably not, but a Republican official in this town said, Bush has a domestic agenda. It's getting re-elected.
1992, David, Andrea, not surprising. Thank you very much for being here.
So is there a lesson of this war to be applied here at home in the United States?
Yes, I think there is and President Bush put his finger right on it in his speech to Congress this past week.
You recall he said that the Americans in Operation Desert Storm were not young people in turmoil,
the product of schools which have failed, but rather first-class talent, to use his words. Absolutely right.
What the president did not ask is why.
Well, the troops are first-class talent because they were well-schooled in the skills of their profession, which is war.
They were strongly motivated to achieve their goals because they were well-led by first-class commanders, including the commander-in-chief.
And they had the training, the tools, and technology to do it because Congress voted for the defense budgets,
which we the people paid for, making it all possible.
It is, in short, a textbook case of how to mobilize a nation to get something done right. Quality counts.
So why can't we do it at home now?
Granted, defeating Saddam Hussein may be easier than dealing with our many domestic problems.
It was certainly faster, it may well be cheaper.
But the most important ingredient, the starting point, is common to both, and it costs absolutely nothing.
Effective leadership. General Norman Schwarzkopf provided that in the war.
We'll see who, if anyone, provides it in the peace.
I'm Garrett Gutley. I hope you'll join us this evening for NBC Nightly News, and again next week for Sunday Today.
And meet the press.
We'll be right back.
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Music.
What's she doing there?
Winder shopping.
Winder shopping?
Bloody barbers.
Winder shopping.
Five bob and a cup of drink.
What?
I get the drink?
After it. Get after it.
You all right?
Yeah.
Come back here.
Music.
I want to spin around.
Spin, toss, chuck.
You want to spin, mate?
Spinning around here.
You want the bat, pal?
Spin, toss.
How much, pal?
In the middle.
In the center.
Nice shot, man.
Down the hatch.
All right.
Up you go, pal.
No bet.
Try and turn around.
Tail.
All right.
I want another spin.
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Spin, toss, chuck.
Spinning.
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Spin.
Still spinning.
There you go, see ya.
What have you been up to there?
I've been here all day, haven't I?
Have you? I haven't noticed.
I've been hanging back, waiting for the right moment.
Ha ha, what for? To break the bank? Ha ha ha ha!
If you're asked to say I was here...
Then who asks?
Since just before 12?
Squizzy, you're not in trouble with the jacks, are you?
And you want me to cover for you?
Well...
Oh, I can vouch for him, Sergeant.
He's been here playing two up all afternoon.
Well, it's a foundry, ain't it?
So what are you, the cleaner?
If you like.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Well, then again, I don't know.
After what I've lost here today.
You want it back?
Well, no.
I don't want no unsatisfied customers, Squizzy.
Look, I was only saying...
Never let it be said that Henry Stokes is not a man of principle.
Take it. Go on, take it!
I should have had it fined.
Shut up!
Donnie!
You old slag!
Shut up!
You're dead, I'll be working!
Have you got a block up there?
I'll throw you out!
I'll burn it to me!
You bloody heavy!
Where the hell are you?
I've got someone been asking after you.
Hmm?
Squizzy!
What?
What's the matter?
I'm not here to see you.
I'm here to see you.
Squizzy?
Joseph Leslie Theodore Taylor.
Three months to last, two years for robbery.
1916, charged with the murder of high car driver William Patrick Haines.
And acquitted? What's he in for?
Attempted robbery, aggravated assault.
Had a countenance this afternoon.
On the two of them?
Apparently.
Any ideas on the other one?
Not yet.
Wouldn't have been Squizzy who used the pipe.
Does it matter?
Want me to talk to him for you?
If you like.
Why, it's your case, I wouldn't want to hear it.
I'd appreciate any suggestions.
Good evening, Mr. Brightby.
Leave the pipe.
Well, well, well.
You've got the wrong man, Mr. Brightby.
You don't say.
Who else do you know in your line of business is only five foot two.
Is that all he's got?
He's got you cold.
Then why doesn't he charge me?
He will.
When he's ready.
What do you think of our Mr. Pickett?
Squizzy?
Very efficient policeman.
We were lucky to get him.
He's from the country.
Doesn't like the cities.
Reckons they're full of slums and, uh, vermin.
And I don't think he likes you, Squizzy.
No.
A very fine man is our detective Pickett.
Fought at the front.
Saw a lot of his mates get killed and gassed.
When you were back here picking pockets.
I mean, you weren't even knitting socks, Squiz.
You can't see the justice in that.
That accountant you cracked on the head had a DSO.
I was at Henry Stokes all afternoon.
Sure.
It wasn't me, Mr. Brophy.
I never hit no one. Honest.
Of course you didn't.
You got some other mug to do it for you.
But Mr. Pickett will get him.
He's like a machine.
Copybook policeman.
And when he does, Squiz, he's a good man.
And when he does, Squiz, he's like you too.
That is.
Unless you get in first.
A man with a mask on his face.
An alibi.
Of sorts.
What we really want is the other bloke.
Well, perhaps not Pickett.
He's more of a stickler.
But you'd like to show him up, wouldn't you?
Don't get cocky with me, Squizzy.
How do I know I can trust you?
You don't.
Hold that, Murray.
Shit.
Hold it, Murray.
Get out of there.
Liz.
The lady's stares.
What are you doing here?
Oh, that's lovely that is.
I had a bit of trouble with my solicitor.
We couldn't agree on a fee.
Then where have you had a solicitor?
You'd be surprised.
I've got connections.
There's people all over the place that owe me.
What they do?
Help you get over the wall.
All right.
So I didn't need no one.
Liz Taylor looks out for himself.
And they let you go?
Just like that?
Yep.
I might even sue them for wrongful arrest.
Aren't you clever.
Yeah.
You'd better believe it.
Hey, hey.
Get us a cuppa.
So how'd you go?
What?
Last night. How'd you do?
Just think I could work. I was worried.
Well, that'll pay the bloody rent.
I believe.
Look, I set this place up.
So use it.
Especially on nights when I'm not here.
It's hardly bloody work.
You've only got to turn out your toes.
Yeah, well, some gents expect a bit extra.
Oh, do they?
Do they?
You're a bloody mole.
What are we doing today?
Not we. You.
Then, if you're good,
I'll be the one to do the dishes.
If you're good.
And not too buggered, you know.
From all the little extras?
I'll take you dancing.
Hello, darling.
What's it, darling?
There's the big boy.
Oh!
Ah!
There he is.
That little shorty's on the scene.
That little chap wouldn't do a thing like that to you.
Of course he would.
He started the whole thing.
Ah, you poor old three-quartered thing.
You wouldn't run if you were boiled down for glue, would you?
Morning, Henry.
What's this, another coat?
Yeah. Me and Dolly went dancing.
Bit of a mix-up in the cloakroom?
Yeah, I bet.
You wanted to see me?
Why don't you wait in the car?
I'll be with you in a minute.
Okay.
Barney, novel him.
We can blame that on Sophie Lee.
I'm interested in that gelding of his.
If he loses his license, well,
I can always make him an offer.
You owe me, Squizzy.
What do you mean?
I had a call from Detective Brophy.
Oh, that?
Yeah, that.
Very cooperative police.
Yeah, well, he had nothing on me.
You got something on him?
I might have.
You little budget.
Why would a demon like Brophy owe you any favors?
Well, that's for me to know.
I'd like to make you an offer.
A Fitzroy mob.
One Harry Slater, one of the Whiting.
I don't like the competition.
And you want me to close them down?
Oh, I don't think that'll listen to you, Squizzy.
But perhaps there's another way,
something more in your line, like robbery.
What?
Robbery.
As a jewelry shop, just sitting there,
just waiting for someone like you.
Now, you couldn't get rid of stuff like that.
You'd need a fellow like Whiting who could get it up to Sydney
inside 24 hours.
Now, you knew him inside, didn't you?
What if I did?
Would you do the job with Whiting,
turn him into Brophy, and not get caught yourself?
Are you calling me a fizz?
You shot Bunny Whiting, Squizzy,
and it's worth 100 quid.
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G'day, Bob.
What brings you out here?
Oh, just passing.
Oh, yeah.
It's all the power of a V6 four-wheel drive.
What do you reckon?
All the power of a 2.5-litre turbo diesel,
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It's striking.
Blue!
From who else but Mitsubishi.
Cover that passage.
Take the sergeant and go round the back.
Ready?
Give them a couple of minutes.
I hope we don't regret this.
Don't worry.
You seem pretty sure.
Be grateful we don't get tips like this very often.
And you've no idea who it was.
Does it matter?
I just like to know who we're dealing with.
What do you reckon?
Gotta be a couple of thousand.
Very nice, Bunny.
Very nice.
You all done?
All done?
I'll get you going.
There you go.
And up.
Say it.
It's a bloody raid.
Come on, Bunny.
I'll get you going.
Good afternoon, Bunny.
How about a little?
Taylor's freakin' moles here.
What's she doing here?
Shown off her sparks.
Oh, that's great.
Dolly, isn't it?
That's right.
Well, get the lady a chair.
Nick off.
Why, bring me luck.
Would you like a drink?
Thanks, Gene.
Where's Squizzy tonight?
I don't know.
Aren't you his girl?
Oh, sometimes.
Saved you some, did he?
Pity about Bunny whiting.
Yeah.
You who?
I missed that he could have been there himself.
Sure.
Here you go.
Rick and my luck's changed, isn't it, Snowy?
We, uh, could be on to a winner here.
Do you want to be a winner?
No.
I'm gonna break your legs.
Them bastards, she can hardly walk.
What in the hell did she go there for?
Well, they weren't supposed to know.
You think they're stupid?
I don't want you coming here.
Use that money to clear off out of here for a while.
You know how many there were?
Slippery.
Five of them, Henry.
At least five she remembers.
He was with Snowy Cutmore when he asked for a quick nick for nothing.
So they stripped her and took her in turns.
Crying out loud, she's a bloody mole.
Yeah.
Well, maybe she is.
But nobody does that to me.
Yeah.
I'll think about it.
See me in the morning.
Yeah, owe me, Henry.
And not too bloody out.
I'll get bloody out of me.
Good day.
Grizzy here's got a bit of a problem.
It's his fight, not mine.
I don't want to know.
I'm just making the introductions.
And I hope you know what you're doing.
Yeah, well, love, I don't know what Henry's told you about Dad.
He hasn't.
Ah.
Feel like a bee?
After what I did for Bunny White.
I mean, I didn't have to cut him in, you know.
I'll do him a favor.
You think he'd be great?
No way.
Just because they get bloody rated, I think it's my fault.
I'll take care of this.
There's not a man amongst us.
Do you reckon they'd fun up to me?
No, no, they'd pick on me.
I mean, who the hell do they think they are?
Bunch of bloody guttersnaps.
And that snowy cutler, bloody hardwits.
Bludgers and bloody cows, a lot of them.
Well, they need to be taught a lesson.
For Henry's sake as much as mine.
And one they won't forget.
You guys need another beer?
Yeah, mate.
No, thanks.
We'll hit them so bloody hard,
they won't know what he did.
We betcha.
Where are your boys, Frizzy?
Come on, gentlemen, please.
Come on.
Come on, boys.
Five past six.
Come on.
Freaking chance.
Come on.
Five past six.
Come on, boys.
Geez, you're looking crook, mate.
What do you think of the fireworks, eh?
Rough, bloody neighbourhoods, right?
What a idea?
policy.
Q issue.
It was illودill.
Again.
Hi, Mr. Taylor. Reg Harvey. I'm a reporter with the Herald.
I think you know my uncle, Sis Harvey, works on the local council.
Well, he gave me a couple of names, said you'd be able to help.
Mr. Taylor, can you get me into a two-up game?
A two-up game?
Well, not to play, mind you, just to see what it's like.
You can count on my discretion.
The work is pleasure. That's how I'm riding it.
Flutter on the horses, spin on the coins.
What's the difference? Except one's legal and the other's not.
What the hell are you playing at?
What?
You said you were given a couple of names.
Yeah, yours and Henry Stokes.
Very knowledgeable fellow, this uncle of yours.
And where does he work? At the library?
How old are you, sonny?
What?
You old enough to shave?
Huh?
You old enough to shave?
Huh?
Well?
Handsome.
Yeah, yeah.
Does your boss know you're here?
What?
Your, uh, editor, whatever you call him.
Does he know where you are?
No, he doesn't.
You're a real bloody big enemy.
If my neck was stuck out as far as yours, someone would know where I was.
You're lucky you came here first.
Henry Stokes has got no sense of humor.
You read the opposition?
What do you know about that?
Only what the police told us?
Oh, yeah. Well, they know what happened.
And you do?
You're out of your depth.
It was Henry Stokes, wasn't it?
It's all right, Mr. Taylor. We never disclose our sources.
What are you? A bloody nutcase.
Now I understand the demonstration.
Henry Stokes is a razor man.
At least.
Thanks, Mr. Taylor.
Remind me to buy you a drink.
In fact, remind me to buy you two.
Check this bloke.
Philip and Penman and Palmer.
Who's this bloke?
Winford.
What do you know about Reginald Harvey?
It's an interesting column.
New lights thrown on Beer House attack.
There are certain people in Richmond who believe the perpetrators of Wednesday's attack in Fitz Roy
are associates of a notorious razor-wielding underworld figure
known locally as the Two-Up King.
Henry Stokes.
When's he ever got it right?
You should have a chat with Mr. Harvey.
There are certain people in Richmond who believe the perpetrators of Wednesday's attack in Fitz Roy
are associates of a notorious razor-wielding underworld figure.
He's making it up.
What's their business? Selling papers?
Maybe.
I wonder what they'll make of it in Fitz Roy.
Get down!
The wound was only superficial.
Shut up!
Where's Stokes at the moment?
He's with friends.
Where?
Were there any witnesses to the shooting?
None that we know of but inquiries are proceeded.
Superintendent, do you believe there's any connection between what happened last night
and the firebomb attack in Fitz Roy?
Sorry, I didn't catch the name.
Harvey, Reg Harvey from the Herald.
Mr. Harvey, we're not aware of any connection.
Apart that is from some rather fanciful theorizing in the popular press.
I take it Mr. Pickett you're not suggesting that the press has in some way contributed to the current situation.
What current situation?
Well without wishing to put too fine a point on the matter
I get the distinct impression that there's some kind of gang war going on out there.
That's right.
Gentlemen, gentlemen.
We're here to inform you as to the facts.
It would seem we passed that point some time ago.
We'll let you know of any developments.
That's it boys.
Well, I think we should ask Mr. Harvey one or two pertinent questions.
Oh, we'd like that.
Play right into his hands.
Police seek help from Cub reporter.
We expect him to tell us where he gets his inspiration.
Have we got a war on our hands?
Maybe.
But it is not a scrap, is it?
I take it you don't agree.
I've few enough men as it is.
We don't go looking for trouble.
It's a question of priorities.
You've enough to do.
You can leave this one to Brophy.
Very well, sir.
Then you better get on with it.
You'll get the hang of it.
Satisfied?
What?
Restored Dolly's honor, have you?
You really started something, Squizy.
Bloody pop-gun-itis.
You knew when you hit that beer house later would think it was me.
No, no I didn't.
No one would ever believe it was you, Squizy.
I still don't.
No, no you're not that clever.
So what are you going to do?
Suppose you could call it quits.
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And they brought him in and they turned him out and they hung him up to die. To die, to die, to die. And they broke him down and they buried him deep. So deep. But he rose again and he defeated death. And he is here and now. Yes he is here and now. And he hears us when we pray.
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To ask you that's delicious. Cheers.
Would you bring your pencil? Here's your headline. Guns will bark if destroyed. We'll go and write it down.
As a look.
Get on it.
As.
I think they need your attention.
Permanently.
Clear out of it Henry.
I'm not spoiling our reputation.
Oh what a pity.
And what if I don't.
Well, we could always charge you with the attempted murder of Harold Francis Slater.
Sure, sure.
Seen it before?
Here to take a closer look?
Seen it before?
No.
Of course we'll have to check it for fingerprints.
Ah, you wouldn't fit me Brofie.
Try me.
Tells me he's heading for Tassie.
Oh, it is you.
What'd you expect? A bicycle booked for two?
Or getting?
Where are we going?
You'll see.
It's a lovely motor, squizzy. I'm impressed. What do you do, pay by the hour?
Reg, get in the car.
What do you know?
Not much.
Looking for a story?
You got one?
Why don't you write about how all these people are leaving town all of a sudden?
Oh, Henry Stokes off the Hobart, Harry Slater back to Sydney, Snowy Cutmore.
God knows we. Not that I'm complaining mind you. I never was one for competition.
Well, Reg, I reckon it's time we squared things up.
After you.
Oh, for Christ's sake, squizzy.
Reg, open the door.
The workers pleasure.
Isn't that what you called it?
Never call me squizzy again.
Where'd you spend the night?
Oh, I don't know. Punch him right up. Keep him.
Oh, I don't know.
Which one's your mother?
You better pull your socks on. You'll be running this place on your own.
Yes, sir.
Oh, I don't know.
There's an icon on the back. You'll be around in a minute.
I'll just pack it in.
Four grapes of whiskey.
Hold it. Police. Don't move or I'll shoot.
Stop or I'll shoot.
All right, all right. Keep your shirt on.
Thanks for bloody nothing.
Morning, Mr. Pickett.
Shut up, Taylor.
I thought it was only a matter of time.
Haven't you read my statement?
Oh, yes. Very amusing.
Finding the door already open,
I entered the premises to avoid being discovered by my pursuer,
Lou the Count Sterling, who had sworn to take my life.
Well, you know what they say. Truth is stranger than fiction.
Not this time.
These bondsmen here.
He's waiting outside, sir.
They're at 300 pounds.
What?
I thought you'd be flattered.
I'll see you in court, Mr. Pickett.
In reference to towing the mat, I'll be there shortly.
But it costs 300 quid to get this adjourned,
and I've not quite fixed up my private business.
But as soon as I have, I'll pop into police headquarters,
knowing full well I'll be welcome,
for I can't dodge around for much longer.
As the old saying goes, ashes to ashes and dust to dust,
if both of you don't get you, the picket busts.
What do you reckon?
Great.
How's your girl?
We're getting married.
Yeah? I'll give her away.
Best man?
You know, I wouldn't put it past you.
No.
Churches are for funerals.
Front page?
Has to be.
Hey, hey, what are you doing?
We've got another half an hour to go.
What?
Whizzy Taylor.
You little...
So this is the touch you've been keeping in smoke?
Dolly.
Dolly, old girl.
Don't old girl me.
You're lying, double cropping old.
Who the hell are you?
Fair will be sorry.
Seems to be some mistake.
Come on, for Christ's sake.
Where the bloody hell do you think you're going, Gorgie?
All the bloody time.
That's Whizzy Taylor.
What?
Whizzy Taylor?
I've only got three cards.
I can do it with the hands in hand.
In a minute, in a minute.
What on earth?
How about you?
Still without.
What's the matter, ladies and gentlemen?
You're supposed to be enjoying yourselves.
Straighten your arms.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, that'll be enough.
Next one's a waltz, ladies and gentlemen.
I'll give you two counts in.
I'll give you one, two, three, two, two, three.
You step to the side together,
then your partner steps to the side together.
Are you ready?
And...
One, two, three, one, two, three, two, three.
You're going to have to work out who the ladies are
when you're playing the girls.
One, two, three, two, three, one, two, three, two, three.
You're going to have to work out who the ladies are
when you're playing the girls.
You don't need me, do you?
You're not so bad yourself.
Do I sound all new?
You do.
I do, you know.
What do you mean?
You're in the right place.
Why don't you go and do some fishing?
What?
Fishing.
You'll do it.
I'm not a fisherman.
I'm a fisherman.
I'll do it.
Why don't you go and do some fishing?
What?
Fishing.
You're quite a jazzer.
I'm not so bad as you.
I'm not keeping you out.
No.
What are you doing Saturday?
Saturday?
Yeah, well, I'm going to the Bellarate races.
Oh.
Not in this.
I've got a friend who's got a roadster.
I, uh...
I thought you might like to come.
I'd love to.
Good.
Then that's settled then.
What's he caught in here, isn't he?
How long does it take you to have a cigarette?
I'll tell you something for nothing.
We're not taking them.
So who needs the races?
We're not taking them.