Ladies and gentlemen, Geraldo Rivera.
Hi, Ronnie. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome. Deborah, thank you.
It is Friday, May 16, 1997. Welcome to this edition of Celebrity News. And this week, ladies and gentlemen, the celebrity world is on fire.
Say it ain't so. Televisions and battle power couple Cathy Lee and her husband Frank Gifford are awash in ugly rumors.
This week, did Frank or did he not with another woman? The Globe.
Frank cheats on Cathy Lee with blonde. They say they have photos. And right from the horse's mouth, the megabuck mogul Donald Trump.
My interview today with him and yes, I do ask him, hey, Donald, what is up with you and Marla?
You'll hear him answer many tough questions just a bit later in the program.
The Academy Award winning star in this year's slithering snake sensation, Anaconda, is here.
Some people are talking Oscar or John Boyd. He will be live in our studio.
And rumors are running red hot in Boulder, Colorado. We'll have the experts and insiders with the explosive latest on John Benet.
The DNA is in and the alleged mistress is talking. And last but not least, a sneak preview of what could be the biggest box office mess of 1997 Jurassic Park.
The lost world, the dinosaurs are back. But we begin.
Here is last week's Globe magazine. Frank cheats on Cathy Lee with blonde. The editor of the Globe is here, Tony Frost. Say hi.
Hello there.
Tony, as you know, I had my problems with this magazine, especially before you took over.
I've come grudgingly to respect your reporting. But I tell you, I look at this story in your centerfold of the current Cathy Lee's husband caught cheating.
There you have the secret lover portrayed. And here you have a series of six photographs.
I see you've got an exterior of the Regency Hotel. You've got the must-up bed. You've got the bottle of California Chardonnay.
You've got Frank leaving. And then you've got blonde Susan leaving. I tell you, buddy, I don't think you have it.
I mean, they could have been in that hotel three years apart.
You're quite right, Geraldo. They could have been. But that's the latest issue on the newsstands. The new ones, the new issue of Globe tells the whole story.
What is it?
That's the front cover. We have ten sizzling photographs.
Hold it still. Let's see.
We have ten sizzling photographs of Frank Gifford with blonde Susan Johnson in passionate embraces.
Oh, my goodness.
There's the evidence. That's the proof.
Don't tell me that this woman was working for you.
We cannot tell you how we got this information, Geraldo, or how we got the photographs at this stage.
Wait a second. I have gasps.
But we have.
Yes, ma'am? What? Comment?
I'm shocked. I mean, well, I feel sorry for Cathy Lee. I think she tried hard to be a very good wife. And I'm devastated by that.
It is devastating. You're starting almost to tear up on it.
I am, because I thought they were the ideal couple. It's such a shame.
It is. It is indeed. If it's true, the Pearl of the Post and the Adams, come on, watch. Watch.
It happens. It happens.
Of course it's not right. But it happens. I mean, 99.9 percent of every husband alive has cheated at some point.
Believe me, I know.
In the old days, I think he might have had an itch or two. I think it's possible. But as far as I'm concerned, it's like take out food. It's less work for mother.
Your reaction?
Well, I don't agree. My husband won't cheat on me.
Ever? He's in the minority. I'm very fortunate.
What's your reaction to this story, Cathy Lee and Frank?
I'm shocked. I really love Cathy. And I'm really shocked about that.
Well, we were shocked too. We had the information several weeks before we published our first story.
And when we first heard the information, we couldn't believe it. But we followed the trail and the information became solid.
I want to know how you got the camera in the bedroom. That's what I want to know.
How could you be sure it's not a look-alike?
This is Frank Gifford. There is no question over the identity of Frank Gifford.
You know, I heard Cathy Lee went to her alma mater. I forget what it was in Virginia. One of the colleges in Virginia.
Marymount.
And Frank was in the front row and she defended him very tearfully.
With Ethel Kennedy.
And the reason we're publishing these photographs, Geraldo, is that our initial story was described as total fabrication, was described as a lie and false.
And we were told by Cathy Lee and Frank Gifford's lawyers that there would be legal action.
Let's take the full screen. Here is the Gifford's reply to the initial story from Ron Connicky, Frank's lawyer.
A complete fabrication. Cathy Lee scoffed at the Globe. Next time it will be me and Reed just having an alien baby.
And yet the photographs do seem to tell a very damning tale. To the extent that this is damning.
There's something wrong with our doing that, with our doing this.
I mean, I'm in the profession. I do it. I never broke the stories of Donald in the early days when he was married to Ivana.
Somewhere I think we should draw the line. I just think it's awful to do this to people's marriages and lives.
I agree. And yet when you take a kind of moral posture as a public figure, you have to be called into account for hypocrisy.
I mean, I have been raped over the coals six ways and some.
The Sons and Wives have lied in public, Geraldo. This will come as a big shock to you.
Sometimes you like to turn your thinking away or you want to think it's good.
But you don't want the whole world to know that there's a problem. And who would like it? Would you like it if it happened?
Hell no. Hell no.
I'm a journalist. I think it's laughing.
I don't like it. It happened to me. Janet Charlton of Star Magazine joins us from the coast.
Geraldo, I have to tell you, I feel it's my duty to report these men cheating on their wives.
We're doing the wives a favor, if anything. And I know they hate the tabloids for doing it.
She's doing social work.
But why, if they're in the public eye, are they out cheating on their wives? They're idiots.
They could get away with it if they were really smart. But most of them obviously aren't that smart because so many get caught.
And I think I'm doing the wives a favor. I feel very bad for the wives.
I hear a voice too, isn't it?
Yeah, it's Tanya. You know I've got to say something.
Hi, Tanya. I'm Tanya Orr, a slow reporter.
You know that this is something about the story.
I heard that the reason that, if this is true, the reason they got caught was because the woman that he was cheating with,
her husband thought she was cheating and had a private detective following her. And that's how they got the video.
Now the gloat mean I want to tell you this, but that's what I heard.
We won't force Tony to reveal his sources.
And you know I wouldn't, but there's a very good point here, Haraldi.
The difference between you and the Giffords is that you haven't made millions of dollars off being the protector and keeper of America's morals.
They have presented this whole, wholesome image to the American public.
That is true. That is absolutely true.
So what?
I mean, is it not? Is it not? I mean, sometimes hypocrisy comes around to bite you right on the butt.
I tell you who I admire out of all this. Kathy, who's standing by her man.
I mean, I think that they can weather this.
Why? What are you laughing at, Tonya Haraldi? What are you laughing at?
Well, that was last week she was standing by him. This one may be kind of hard, you know?
I mean, what do you say when you get caught on video like this? What can you say?
I mean, hopefully she'll stand by him.
I understand too that the husband that had the private detective following the wife is also an older gentleman.
It's like in his late 60s.
So is Frank Gifford.
Right. That's what I'm saying. So she obviously likes older men.
And hey, we'll see what Kathy has to say.
Janet?
Haraldi, I think Kathy's going through the five stages of disbelief, anger, and then she hits considering divorce later on in those stages.
But it will come. She's not going to be happy about this.
Oh, heck no.
Who would be?
They did that wonderful infomercial about how to stay married.
You know, and they both got paid a lot of money for that if you recall. It was a few years ago.
But they both got paid over a million dollars.
I hope she doesn't leave him. I hope she doesn't divorce him. I hope she realizes he had one shot and it's finished.
Maybe her faith will get her through this one.
Let me go back to that two-shot of Janet and Tonya. Tell us about the Seinfeld characters.
Let me tell you that Shoshana's mom called me Cindy, and she was very upset about the imprints.
Why is it always me? It's your lousy shirt. Why is it me?
Joey has ties older than Shoshana was when Jerry started with her. Anyway.
It was that bit. And for that, Shoshana Lonestein's parents, we solemnly and sincerely apologize.
But anyway, what do you know about the Seinfeld story?
Well, I'll tell you. I never say anything bad about Seinfeld and Shoshana. I love this couple.
I'm crazy about them. But I'll tell you, everything is going right in Jerry's life right now.
Not only is the show coming back together, and Tonya has the details on that, but his love life is too.
I believe that Jerry and Shoshana are really kind of pulling a fast one on us right now.
They're a lot more together than they want the world to know.
And they're kind of sneaking around, making sure they're photographed with other people.
But I just bet they're planning a wedding this summer.
I think they're going to go to Europe on their honeymoon, and they're very, very happy.
Okay, Tonya, tell us about these salaries. Tell us about the show.
Yeah, you know, everybody was concerned that they wouldn't be back.
And I mean, the bottom line is more money, more money. And Jerry's been making a million dollars plus a little bit per episode for a while now.
God, they do 22 original episodes a year.
Yeah, that's like over $22 million a year.
Yeah, I figured that out. I went to college.
You're very good. That's good, Geraldo.
Anyway, so now the cast members are going to be getting $600,000 plus per episode, and they're very happy.
And you know what? They deserve it. People say, this sounds like a lot of money.
But let me tell you something. If you figure out how much money the networks and the producers of that show are going to make over the year, it's going to run as long as I Love Lucy.
My grandkids will be watching Seinfeld, okay?
I agree.
They're going to make a lot of money off of that over the years, and once this is over, this is what they get.
I heard that the Seinfeld show was worth to the NBC network annually $1 billion.
That's it.
That's $1,000 million.
That's right.
So I went to college, see?
So it's okay.
Why, why, why?
They can make that kind of money.
I just feel that I'm on the outs, I'm on the wrong side of everything today.
I just think there's something unconscionably wrong with paying those kinds of salaries.
It is sick. The movies today, the average person takes just about that much.
Why shouldn't we see $1 billion?
You told me Mrs. Lonskin called and complained. Let me say something so she can call again and complain.
The movies are too expensive. Nobody can afford them.
You have to take a credit card to have two bowls of popcorn and to see a lousy, stinking movie.
Tanya, briefly.
I agree with Cindy on the movie situation.
I think that movie actors are really overrated and really overpaid.
Thank you all for joining the proletariat. Thank you very much.
We've got coming up a really great guy, one of the true stars of Hollywood, John Voight.
He's an Academy Award winner. He's going to win another one for Anaconda.
Donald Trump says it all. Right after this, it's not just about building.
It is Celebrity News. It is the 6th of May and we shall return right after this.
Thank you.
Donald, you own half of this. This is Manhattan. Why in the world do you want to buy Miss Universe?
Well, that's a very interesting question, actually. Somebody had to buy it.
It's more attractive if more fragile.
You know, it really was something that just came up. I thought it was a great thing.
I actually now have a fabulous partner, CBS, as you probably heard.
I heard. Incidentally, folks, it is Friday, May 16th. This is, of course, Donald Trump.
And it is Celebrity News. He's talking about the Miss Universe pageant, which airs on the CBS network.
His partner, the multimillionaire mogul, has diversified yet again.
You can't stay out of the news, can you?
No, I guess I wish I could. I actually wish I could.
People don't think that about me, but I would love to be out of the news.
Every day when you wake up, do you wonder what they'll be saying about you?
You never know. You know, you pick up those tabs and you just say, gee, I wonder what they're saying.
They've had me out with people that I've never even heard of before, I've never seen.
I've been dating some of the most incredible women in the world according to them,
and I'm trying to figure out where are these people? Where are they?
For now, let's flash to Miss Universe again.
Why did you buy this pageant? It seems so different than everything else you own.
It's really gotten great ratings over the years. It's always gotten great ratings. So...
The women seem realer to me than Miss America.
Well, I can tell you this. They're very, very beautiful. It's really a beauty pageant.
Oh, I can't wait to read about you backstage at the Miss Universe pageant.
Well, it's a very tough thing to do, I'll be honest.
This is... The women are totally beautiful.
Your choice of co-host along with George Hamilton is obviously going to generate a whole lot more attention on your recent nuptial problems.
Well, you know, Marla's a professional, and she's a great... She really is a great woman.
She's a... She's... In a certain way, I think being married to me is a huge asset, but I also think in a certain way it might be negative,
because a lot of people think she's there because of me or whatever.
She did Miss Universe last year before I owned it, and frankly, when I went there, I saw it, I liked it, and I bought Miss Universe. I thought it was great.
I'm sure it's a great business deal, but won't it be awkward to have your estranged wife hosting your program?
Well, you know, when I made the deal three or four months ago, I wasn't sure exactly what was going to happen,
but I told Marla, or I asked Marla if you'd like to do it, oh yes, I would, and she's going to be terrific.
I mean, I'm going to sit, I'm going to watch. What am I going to do? I mean...
You're not going to bring a date?
I don't think that would be appropriate.
I don't either.
Somehow that wouldn't work.
I'd have to be very tacky.
Do you wish you could be as successful in your personal life as you are in your professional life?
Well, I do. You know, the problem I have, Geraldo, is time is so tight.
I do this stuff. This is my new building that I'm going to be building by the United Nations,
and it's going to be spectacular, and it's creative, but it takes a lot of energy.
It takes a lot of mental energy, and it just takes a lot of time. I'm doing a lot of them, and I love it,
and I love what I do. I don't feel I'm a workaholic, but I love what I do, but it takes a lot of time.
Were you a negligent husband then?
I think I was a good husband in many respects, but I think I was a bad husband when it came to devoting time.
I think time is maybe the key word. I'm a very good father. I'd like to be able to devote more time to the kids, too.
But at the same time, I'm certainly a good provider. I guess I'm the ultimate provider.
Did the decline of your relationship with Marla begin with this scandal about the bodyguard,
four o'clock in the morning on the beach?
You know what? That was so discounted and so everything else, and it was so unfair.
You must have been angry with her for bad judgment.
The concept of the bad judgment I agree with, and being there at 4.30 in the morning, I think was terrible judgment.
And the guy was actually a good guy, worked for me, and a decent guy.
And believe me, I would have checked that out. I checked that out so carefully, and the answer is absolutely not.
But the bad judgment, I was not happy with.
The other thing people are saying is that you did this.
You broke up with Marla because of the terms of the prenuptial agreement.
If the relationship lasted a little longer, she would have gotten a whole lot more money.
Did you? Did you time it for that?
Well, a lot of speculation on that.
I mean, that would be what the cold businessman would do.
Well, it would be a cold thing to do, and I didn't.
You promise?
A lot of people have asked me that question. A lot of people.
And I will say this, if you're a person of substance in terms of financial substance, not other kinds of substance.
I think you're a man of substance in more ways than financial.
I hope so. I mean, I would like to think so.
But if you do have substantial or a lot of money, you have to have, in my opinion, a prenuptial agreement.
You have to. Otherwise, it's like a total disaster. You might as well just write off the business.
I know I've been there.
You've been there, and you've gone through years of agony and pain over nothing, over what shouldn't have happened.
So people have made that little statement, and it's really not so, but prenuptial agreements are nasty.
They are ugly, terrible, inhumane documents that you have to have if you have money.
Have you contemplated the consequences of the split up with Marla?
Well, it was just something that I felt was appropriate and right.
And that is not in any way to denigrate Marla, because she's terrific.
She's a terrific mother and a terrific woman.
See, years ago I would have said she's a terrific girl, but today you're not allowed to say this around us.
I know that.
But she is. She's a terrific woman, and she's very talented in a lot of things.
But again, it was a question of priorities.
One of the problems I had was Marla really also loves the concept of marriage, which I do.
But she felt it's something you have to really, really work on.
And I felt if you had to work on it, I just can't walk down beaches and walk down wherever she wants to walk.
Let's take a trip to a forest for two or three days.
I just don't think you can...
The concept you have to work in a marriage...
I work at my job. I don't want to work in a marriage.
I want to have an easy marriage.
When my father came home, he had dinner. He went to bed. He watched television. He read a book. He did something.
But he didn't work at the marriage. You know, he's married for 57 years.
He didn't work at it.
I don't believe in working in a marriage. I think a marriage should be natural.
And if you have to work at it, I think there's something wrong.
Do you think you're ever going to be happy?
I mean happy, personally happy. Not rich, but happy.
Well...
I mean, at what point will you want to walk down the beach or through the forest?
I hope never, because I really enjoy what I do.
I really enjoy. And there are a lot of benefits for the people that are with me.
But I really enjoy... I have over 20,000 employees right now.
So, you know, I feel I'm doing an important thing.
These are people that have jobs that might not have jobs if it weren't for me.
You know, I just like what I'm doing. I wish I could do both.
I hope someday to be able to do both. But maybe that's not possible.
Maybe that's not part of your makeup.
It just might not be.
Donald Trump, a very candid, very frank discussion we had this morning.
Comment, Ms.
Well...
Listen, he's my friend.
And let me tell you that although he has a prenuptial, he is not taking anything for granted.
He not only has his resident pit bull, Jay Goldberg, the lawyer, who drew up the prenuptial,
but he's also brought in a co-counsel by the name of Stanford Lotwin.
So the two lawyers are going to take care of size six Marla.
It should be very interesting tonight.
She'll be on stage, Donald will be in the front row, very prominently displayed.
The body language at Miss Universe tonight.
It's not going to be hostile. It's really not going to be a hostile situation.
It has been fraying a long time.
What did she say to you? Didn't she write you a letter?
Huh?
Didn't Marla write you?
Marla wrote me a letter and she said she thanked me very much for being understanding
and not saying that she had an affair with the bodyguard, as certain people have said.
I didn't say that.
She says it's been very tough and it's awful and it's a very painful experience.
She also said it's nonsense for anybody to think that this was done for the pageant,
to make the pageant better.
Oh, God.
It's like absolutely nonsense.
That's a pretty expensive way to boost the ratings, folks.
Okay, when we come back, John Boyd and the latest on Dominic Reck.
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The Geraldo Rivera Show is in Colorado covering the John Bonet-Ramsey murder investigation,
and rumors of an impending arrest have begun to widely circulate.
But is there any truth to the speculation?
For the latest on every aspect of this drama from Ground Zero in Colorado,
get the scoop from the one source that has the inside story.
Fast-breaking news on the John Bonet-Ramsey investigation from Boulder, Colorado.
Next, Geraldo Rivera Show.
Without further ado, to the electronic miracle of satellite technology,
we will flash immediately to the world headquarters of the National Enquirer
and Matt, Mike Walker, the senior editor.
Hi, Herr Robert.
Mike has got his bags packed.
He's heading on some secret mission he won't tell us to London, England.
Yes, I am.
And I wasn't going to actually.
I tried to beg off from doing the show today, Geraldo, as you know,
because I'm catching a plane just a little bit later.
But the Enquirer is fighting mad, and I wanted to tell you about that.
Can I read you a little statement here?
Well, let me first...
I hear you guys are going to get your fannies nailed to the wall by Eddie Murphy
for all that transsexual hooker stuff.
Uh-huh.
Well, there's going to be a lot of talk about fannies coming up
if Eddie Murphy continues on this silly course of suing the National Enquirer.
All right, what's up?
Read me the one.
All right, here's our statement.
It's a brief one.
The National Enquirer will not tolerate this legal attack by Eddie Murphy.
Mr. Murphy is attempting to rehabilitate himself at our expense.
We intend to prove our case in open court and afterwards to collect the legal expenses
and any other damages the National Enquirer incurs in defending this claim.
In other words, Geraldo, just summing this up briefly and inelegantly,
up yours, Eddie.
Whoa.
Okay?
Yeah.
Listen to me.
In more journalistic terms, Michael, may I ask if the Enquirer is sticking with its story?
Absolutely, we're sticking with our story.
And if Eddie Murphy...
First of all, let me make a prediction, Geraldo.
Go ahead.
This is baloney.
You're a lawyer and you know it.
I am.
This will never make it into open court.
And you know what Eddie Murphy's going to do?
What you've seen people do, celebrities do before.
They sue us and that gets headlines.
And everybody goes, oh, gee, I guess Eddie didn't do it.
He sued the National Enquirer.
Well, Eddie, if this doesn't go to open court, which it never will,
we're going to remind everybody later, hey, Eddie, where's your case?
It's not in open court.
You're not going to let this die quietly.
We are fighting mad.
We are standing behind our story.
I've never seen Miguelito in such a fired up mood.
We have transsexuals right now.
That's right, Geraldo.
This is amazing.
You've never seen me like this.
We had nothing against Eddie Murphy.
He was a pal of our.
All right, well, cool down, partner, and show us what you got on the cover next week.
Well, all right.
We have two things.
We have two things.
Of course, a John Benet story.
And interestingly enough, Geraldo, who's gay and who's not?
You're not outing people who haven't outed themselves.
No, we are not.
As you know, we never do that.
However, there are some very interesting things in here, including the news.
Listen to this.
Dolly Parton is going to be on the June cover of Out Magazine,
which as you know is a magazine famous for outing celebrities.
Now, her publicist of denying this proves that she's gay or thinking of coming out.
On the other hand, as you know, she's admitted to sleeping with her assistant,
but she's denied she's lesbian.
So that's pretty interesting.
The most interesting thing in here, you will find out that a lot of people think that Pee-wee Herman
or Paul Rubens is gay.
He is definitely not gay.
Also, we cover the Tom Cruise question in there, so don't miss that one.
Wait a second.
If Tom Cruise is gay, my wife's going to kill you.
All right. All right.
CeCe, he's not gay.
All right. All right.
Okay.
All right. Let's get serious.
Let's go to Boulder, Colorado.
Mike, what do you have?
There are a lot of ominous rumblings out there.
What's going on?
What are they?
There are rumors of an imminent arrest, as you know.
You, I know, announced a bombshell from us on your show tonight.
We hope we can provide you with that bombshell.
As I told you, this bombshell hasn't quite exploded yet, and we're not sure it will.
However, there is one bombshell that we know about that we will be developing for our next week's issue, Geraldo.
Once again, I have to disappoint you there.
I can't tell you that.
So there are two, and hopefully we can give you one on your CNBC show.
All right. So you are going to give me one tonight?
I'm going to try, Geraldo.
Oh, come on.
I'm going to try.
Interesting thing here.
I gave you such a big buildup last night.
In this issue, anyway, in this issue, it says that the one significant thing that hasn't come out yet is the fact that, as you know,
the little girl was severely beaten about the head with a golf club, we believe.
What would sort of indicate that this was definitely not unintentional are severe injuries to the face.
Either she was hit and beaten while an attack was going on, or else she was held down.
It's a horrible thing to contemplate, but that is some new news.
Also, as you know, the forensic tests are back.
And you are not backing away from your contention that Dad's DNA is all over it?
Geraldo, we back away from nothing. Not from this and not from Eddie Murphy.
Oh, don't go back there again.
Liz Taylor, I won't go back there, but I just want to remind you that Liz Taylor hasn't paid us the $432,000 that the court awarded us in legal cost.
Don't hold your breath.
Well, we can hope.
All right. Mike Walker on his way to London, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, Mike.
Thank you, Geraldo.
Bon voyage.
All right, let me talk more on Jean Benet. What do you got?
Right, you want a bombshell, Geraldo? I'll give you one.
As you know, John Ramsay retained one of Colorado's most respected, privatized, L.S. Armistead to look at his case.
Armistead was paid a $25,000 retainer up front.
He has eight investigators, and they've pored through every aspect of this case, and they've come to two startling conclusions.
One, their client, John Ramsay, whose bill now exceeds $100,000 with the investigators, didn't do it.
Didn't do it. The man who's paying them didn't do it.
But a close family member did, and they have decided, and they've told John Ramsay that all the evidence they've pored through and examined and collected points to one person.
That's the Ramsay.
It were, I remind you, ladies and gentlemen, just three people in that house.
One was the ten-year-old, the other the parents.
It has been theorized, it has been theorized, it very well may be.
She has not yet given that fifth handwriting sample.
You heard on our stage the fact that the child was dragged to the basement rather than carried.
A man easily could have taken this slight child and carried her into the basement.
Patsy, a smallish woman herself, maybe could not.
There was some other slightly, in this macabre story, humorous aspect that happened concerning Tony and the Globe.
The special prosecutor appointed, it was actually the Colorado Springs District Attorney, to investigate how the Globe obtained those photographs of the death scene.
Has concluded that the Globe broke no criminal statutes.
Do you know how they got it?
They paid a guy, or I'm not asking Tony to tell me, I know from the report.
They either paid a guy to do it or the guy did it and then they paid him.
They went rooting through the dumpster outside the photo lab.
They found the first run-through that they always do to check the color and they took it out of the garbage can and that's what was published.
The law states that once something is discarded, once it is garbage, once it is thrown away, then it is not a crime to take it.
It is yours for the asking. So the Globe will not be prosecuted, nor anyone.
It's a new twist on, you've heard how often you say, well it fell off the back of a truck, this came out of a dumpster.
There's a man who has been sent to jail in Denver for being a mortuary photographer.
And I know that case. He has been photographing dead bodies. That's what he has done.
Incidentally, one of the people who was the first cop on the scene.
The woman. Yes, Linda Arndt I think is her name.
First lady, first cop on the scene with John Benet-Ramsey has now been pulled off the case.
Totally pulled off the case, which means...
She should have searched the basement so the body didn't lie there for eight hours and they went chasing wild geese.
Geese, geese, geese. Geese, geese, geese, geese, geese. I'm a lawyer, I know that.
But what I'd like to do now is to show you a brief clip from Monday's program on location in Boulder, Colorado.
This is Pamela Griffin, Patsy Ramsey's dear friend.
You may know psychology, I know Patsy Ramsey. Judge her one on one.
I wish this woman would come and sit with both of you and you and talk with her.
I know for a fact that the police have said their interview has shown them a whole other side of Patsy Ramsey that they wish they'd have known three months ago.
And that came directly out of the district attorney's office to me personally.
Can I ask a question? Did Patsy ever talk to you about John?
Absolutely.
Because even though I was going to say, usually girlfriends in that kind of situation talk a lot about their husbands.
We always did. And it was almost always the kind of, Patsy always said that he was supportive of her during her cancer.
Tried a lot of things to make her feel very feminine and very wanted.
And she said, how feminine do you feel when you have your head in the toilet and the head that's in there is bald as an eagle.
I didn't feel very, you know, she had a lot of, she had the bad feelings toward herself.
I don't think John really had those feelings.
Did you consider him being distant?
No, not really.
Did she mention an affair?
No, but I think that she, if it turns out that this affair did happen, I think she will be surprised.
I think she would probably be forgiving because of when maybe it occurred.
But I think that she'll be surprised because I think that she has felt that, you know, that John was very supportive all the way through.
We'll see.
Okay, that airs Monday.
Now, I'm telling you, we are delighted to have one of the brightest stars in Hollywood here.
The pictures he has been in are amazing.
Anaconda, just the latest.
But he's going to get an Academy Award again.
John Voight.
Stay tuned.
What the hell is this?
Anaconda skin.
Is snakes up there this big?
This skin is three or four years old.
Whatever shed it has grown since then.
But something like this has made a meal.
What about it, dear Captain?
What?
Snakes don't eat people.
Oh, they don't?
Anacondas are a perfect killing machine.
All right, here he is, the Academy Award winning actor heading directly to Hollywood's Hall of Fame for his memorable roles.
Midnight Cowboy, the Champ, Mission Impossible, Coming Home, Runaway Train, my personal favorite, Deliverance, my other personal favorite.
Critics are saying now the leading contender for an Oscar for that villainous, venomous role in Anaconda, John Voight, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you.
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Full of a cheer.
Great to see you, John.
Hi.
You've done it again.
Congratulations.
Well, thank you very much, Robert.
I never expected it to be as good a film.
I thought it would all be special effects and all bang ups and all the rest of it.
But it's a terrific film.
And you're a wicked villain, John.
I had no idea.
Yes.
Well, you know, it was a funny thing getting that script on my plate.
And actually I've talked about this several times, different times.
My mom, who has passed on now, asked me what I was going to do next.
And I had on my table two scripts.
One was called Rosewood, a very important script.
And the other was called...
The Burning of the Town of the South.
Yeah, an important movie.
And then this other one was Anaconda.
And because I used to take her on these journeys with me whenever I could,
especially in the last years of her life when she wasn't feeling very well,
she'd kind of get up for these little vacations.
So we'd try to...
My brothers and I would try to keep something in the future for her.
So she would always ask, what's next?
Where do I go next?
So I said, well, I have two scripts.
One's about a town in Florida.
It's a period piece, a true story, where I save several people,
children, many children.
And the other piece is a story about a poacher who is eaten
and regurgitated by a snake and shot in the Amazon.
She said, well, I've never been to the Amazon.
So it turned out I was able to do both pictures,
but I think it was that response of my mother's that finally got me to commit to Anaconda.
Oh, that's amazing.
Are you surprised that Hollywood Parlins has such legs?
It's still bringing in the millions?
Well, yes, in a way, but it's always good.
I'm very glad for Columbia.
I'm very glad for our industry, which is a big...
When the film industry does well, the economy of our country is given a little bit of strength.
So I'm glad for all that.
Was it Mission Impossible that was this big step into these more ambiguous moral roles?
Ambiguous moral?
Well, you know me to be a fellow who cares.
You care so deeply. You really do.
More than anyone in Hollywood.
What he's done for the homeless, for example, is...
I mean, this guy is a saint. I really love him.
Yeah.
Well, as you know, we feel a responsibility.
People who have a certain kind of strength in our industry feel a responsibility
to do a little something for other folks, if we can.
And it's not much that we have to do in some ways.
You know, you get some celebrity and you say a few words on television,
it can make a big difference, you know, as you have done.
And I applaud you for that.
And usually I try to find something in the films that has something I can speak about
or something that maybe gives me a little door to open that can help somebody out.
Like I did a picture on Chernobyl years ago, and because of that little picture that we did,
I knew a lot of things about the contamination,
what it was doing to the immune systems of the babies.
And recently I went to the U.N. and was able to give a little encouragement
to groups who were doing something to airlift children out of those zones
into places where they had good food and hospital care and stuff like that.
So sometimes in our business we have that advantage, and I like to take advantage of it.
In this particular case, I must say, I was doing it because I was having the fun
of just creating a character in some way, and I knew it would be a good tale for people to go to
and have some thrills and stuff, and that's what I did.
Tell us more right after this.
This is ridiculous.
Excuse me.
I'll blow your dick at all, please, would you?
Deliverance, one of the great movies of all time.
Wonderful movie.
And I promise you I'm going to show you a clip from Midnight Cabaret.
I won't let him leave without showing a clip from Midnight Cabaret.
But people don't know much about your personal life.
You're never in the tabloids. Are you married? Are you dating?
Well, I have two children. I'm separated from my wife for many, many years now,
but we've raised the family together.
And we just had Mother's Day and two birthdays last week.
Yes, that's Jamie, Angie. That old fella is me.
Yeah.
I remember you shaved the beard off.
And you live on the West Coast mostly?
Yes, yes, I do.
And how do you manage to keep a low profile?
I don't know. I think one thing that Marsh and I were talking about,
she's the mom of the children, was that we never missed an open house
for the children at school. Never missed one.
I never missed a coaching of a soccer game or a baseball game
or a basketball game for my kids when they were growing up.
Somehow, I think that focus kept us out of the wind of all the other stuff.
Are the kids in the business?
They are. My son has written many, many screenplays
and got lots of attention at school for a film that he directed.
He's now out of school and he's working on scripts now
and is going to do a little acting.
And my daughter is an actress and she's doing quite well,
has a wonderful presence, and I have a feeling she's going to be
something very special for us all.
Oh, I hope so. Your kid's success is so much more important than our own.
It is indeed. That's right.
I love having you on the program. You can come back anytime.
I want to leave with Midnight Cowboy.
The range of this man is phenomenal.
I hope you win the Academy Award for Anaconda.
John Boyle, everybody. Thank you.
Thank you.
Good luck, everybody.
Thanks, man.
Murder, isn't it?
One line again, sweetie. Sit me up, will you?
Morrie's always complaining about his ulcers.
Well, I don't know what line Moore's in, but myself now,
I'm a kind of hustler.
I'll have some coffee.
Don't move! Don't move!
They say that in just the amount of time between the original
Jurassic Park and the sequel, they've gotten so much better at
computer animation that the special effects in this are superb.
Do you think it's going to be huge?
Well, I personally, as an old dinosaur myself,
I certainly hope it will be.
But I mean, it looks to me like a musical.
What can I tell you?
A musical. What do you call it?
I don't know. It's going to be a very big hit.
It's going to be terrific for the summer because everything
Spielberg does is a big hit.
Yeah, the book was kind of lame with all due respect to Mike.
So what? Who cares? You can't see the dinosaurs marching across the page.
Here you can. It's going to be a big hit. Trust me.
I just want to show you Next Week Star shows a Cosby's secret meeting
with the beauty who says she's his daughter.
We've come to the conclusion she's probably not his daughter,
but he certainly raised her.
She's on trial, as you know, for extortion.
Tony, what else do you have? You have something on the Beatles?
There's a good story coming out of London that's in the New
Issue of the Globe.
Paul McCartney, secret love child.
He's a 33-year-old guy now working as a lighting technician in London,
Philip Howarth.
And it came to people's attention because a contract,
which the Beatles' former manager, Brian Epstein,
drew up with the boy's mother in 1964 has just become available.
Does Paul and the fellow have a relationship?
No. Paul McCartney is denying that he's his son and he's having
nothing to do with him.
But the contract shows that Brian Epstein paid the boy's mother
$15,000 in 1964 when it was a lot of money.
Oh, one clarification. Bert Pugash, the guy who threw acid in his
wife's face, he wasn't convicted in that case.
He received a violation, which is a lesser, an offense rather than
a crime. So it's a lesser degree.
You have felony, misdemeanor, violation.
He, violation. Okay.
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