These are actually ancient Native American artifacts.
Today we're going to show you how to tell the difference when we take a look at John
Phillips' collection of Indian artifacts today on Personal FX.
Hello everybody, I'm Claire Carter. Welcome to our apartment here at FX.
It's Thursday, it's Wednesday, February 1st. Judith Kat Schwartz is here.
Now, you're going to be showing us not just some fabulous tin toys, but we usually think that if you clean them up, you're going to affect the value?
No, that's not true. If you clean them up, you will enhance their value.
So you're going to show us how to advance the value?
Absolutely.
After a while. I fell in love with this one. Can I just kind of take it with me?
Sure.
We're going to see some fabulous tin toys and the care and the feeding of the tin toys.
We always learn something around here. And we have people visiting us in the apartment with items to be appraised.
You are?
Trish.
Trish, nice to have you here. Welcome.
Laurie.
Laurie?
Bob.
Bob?
Jeff.
Jeff. Hello. Now we have very interestingly two uncles and niece combinations here.
Yes. That's very interesting. Uncle, niece. You're the big collector?
Yes. Just about everything. You name it. If I find it at a flea market or a garage sale, I'll pick it up.
Are there a lot of things in your family that get passed along from generation to generation?
Not really. We pick up a lot of stuff at auctions and a lot of flea markets and garage sales.
Well, see, I just picked this up, but I'm having a good time with it. Yeah, it's a wonderful tin toy. I won't let him play.
And we're so glad that you're here. And want to remind our audience, you've all brought some interesting items,
which you're going to be letting me know later on whether they're up for sale. So get some thought to that.
And call us at 1-800-FX-FX-FX-1 if you see something they're willing to part with and you'd absolutely love to buy.
We're in Eugene, Oregon today. I have an important question. Did you see yesterday's show?
Yep. Great show.
So you remember what happened yesterday?
We have to find out about from John, did he get a new shirt after yesterday, John?
Because you literally ripped your shirt and by the end of the show you were in your shirt sleeves.
The cameraman, he suggested today that I rip the pants. I said, no, no, no, I'm not going that far.
John, it could be good for the ratings. You never know.
No, no, no, there's some things you just can't do on a family show even though it's live.
Claire, today we are with John Phillips. John, thank you, sir, for joining us.
It's our pleasure to be able to show you things.
Now, I didn't mean to do this but I got your Native American artifact all wet here but this actually is not a rock and you saved this, didn't you?
No. I was a forester and I was working a rock-crushing machine and watching the rocks go in and I saw a piece that was not regularly shaped.
I mean, irregularly shaped. This is regularly shaped and shows that it has been manufactured to make that smooth round figure, probably a hammer stone used for pounding.
So that's how you know because it's, no, it's regularly shaped.
Oh, okay. Well, Claire, he's...
Nature doesn't make, they call them nature facts, the ones that are not man-made.
And you spotted this in a rock pile.
And you can see it's chipped a little bit.
I didn't mean to get it wet. Is that all right?
No problem. It doesn't hurt rock.
Well, Claire, he's got a whole bunch of artifacts that are really neat, a lot of neat stories behind him. We're going to be taking a look at those today.
Well, I know it was raining outside, John, so you had your hat on. Now that you're indoors, are you going to take it off or are you going to keep it on?
Well, see, the thing with this hat, the problem with this hat is although it says FX on the front, the problem is on the back it says breakfast time.
So we've got a real problem with this thing.
Thanks for showing us. I do have to share with you one fact that we got. It's very important.
Dave Allen in Jasper, Alabama had sent the facts yesterday because he wanted a pair of socks for a charity auction. You took off your socks.
So he wants to thank you for donating the pair of socks, but he would really prefer a pair of clean socks.
That's cold blooded. That's cold blooded. Okay, I'll get the clean socks.
Just wanted to let you know this is an update here.
You know what, Claire, that's fine because I really like that pair, so I'd rather give them a different pair anyway.
Very good shot. Thank you. Look forward to seeing the collection. And Christine, you want to join us and show us what you brought?
Do you need some help?
No, it's not too heavy.
You're okay here.
Let me introduce you to Deirdre Featherstone.
How do you do?
And John Bruno. It's good to see you. I missed you on Monday.
We're in a little trading place here.
Everything's a little blambuzled today.
Well, you know, we're doing an appraisal in Eugene in two days. It's like 150 people. We've got so many phone calls and faxes.
It's incredible. We're all booked up. But we're really excited. We're going to have a couple of appraisers, and everybody's going to come on down, meet John, and have their items appraised.
What did you bring here?
This is from a family since my great grandmother. And that's about all we know about it. We thought it was a print. It's signed. And that's about it.
It's actually a print on silk.
It looks like a gravure process.
What process?
Photo gravure. You've heard the old Easter Parade song in the Roto Gravure. Roto Gravure is a coloring process where they do print overlay on a linen paper to give you the photo and the color.
But I never thought to think about what it meant before.
That's what it means. And this looks like a photo gravure process.
In gray plate.
Yeah, in gray plate. And it's actually rubbed onto the silk. This is a very, very interesting piece. Was it 1910?
Yeah, I think so. And it's in its original frame.
No, my great grandfather made a frame in the 30s.
Okay, all right. Because now oak was used very much at the turn of the century. And it's part of the whole arts and crafts movement. It was the whole process of using oak.
Your grandfather's picked up the original concept.
He has definitely at the same period in time.
Sounds like he was a talented man to be a carpenter.
It's beautiful work.
It's very interesting.
So what would you put a value on it?
Probably I would say 125, 150.
Exactly.
Nice, nice print.
It's so very lovely.
It's wonderful.
It's nice that it's on silk. That's a little unusual.
I have a feeling you probably want to keep it in the family, but I'm still going to ask, would you put it?
Maybe.
Maybe?
Maybe.
Oh, you would consider putting it up for sale.
Maybe.
Maybe. That's a big maybe.
Well, maybe we'll let you know later.
Okay.
We've got an orifice we get. Thank you so much for being here.
Thank you.
And Jeff is joining us. And let's see what you've brought.
Welcome, Claire.
Nice. Good to see you guys in person, Farmer.
Do they look different?
Actually, they look younger.
Thank you so much for a higher appraisal here.
I was going to say younger and thinner, right?
A higher appraisal.
You'll say anything to get a higher appraisal.
Tell us about these pins that you brought.
This was given to a friend of mine about 1955 or 56.
And we trade items back and forth.
And I ended up with it.
What did you trade it for?
Some car literature and stuff.
I have no idea who ends up ahead.
We just have stuff back.
You just have fun trading.
Classic Schaeffer 1950s fountain pen and pencil set.
And you've got the original box.
You've got the original paperwork, which is very nice.
That's really nice to have.
Gold, 24 karat gold plated nib.
And it has the screw fill.
You would put it in the ink and screw it to fill it.
There's a little bladder inside that way.
It works the what inside?
There's a little bladder inside that holds the ink.
It's called a bladder.
I'll just want to make sure.
I don't want to break it.
But there is a bladder.
It's about the length of the barrel and just holds about two ounces of ink.
Let me give you time.
And the screwing action actually fills it.
The screw mechanism is not functioning.
It is broken.
Do you ever use these pins?
Some of them I don't.
I have a few.
They're wonderful.
The pins are pretty collectible.
Very collectible.
The pins are major, major, major collectible.
Especially from the 50s because that's all our age group now.
Stuff we all grew up with.
Some of us.
Almost.
Probably plastic.
I don't think it's...
Actually, I don't think it is plastic.
What do you think?
It's not a Bakelite.
You know what?
You're probably right.
It is plastic.
It's not a Bakelite.
It's warm to the touch.
It is plastic.
It's not like a false tiger eye or cat's eye.
And what is the price to the touch?
The set, the way it is, probably about $150, $150.
That's the number for the day.
Yeah.
Exactly.
But then again, younger, so maybe two years of age.
I'm actually getting tired of saying those nice things.
Up to $150.
Now you traded this with your friend.
Would you be interested in putting it up for sale?
Sure.
Let's see what the phone calls bring.
What are they?
What are they saying?
You're in that kind of spirit?
Yes.
Well, thank you.
Have a seat.
Unless you want to trade for something else.
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And Shawna has something that she's going to want to show us and have you guys appraised
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Welcome back now to Personal FX.
Well, the silk print may be up for sale. Sometimes people aren't quite sure. It depends on what the offers are.
And the pen set is up for sale as well. So a reminder about our 800 number. What are you guys talking about here?
We're talking about merchants. I'm saying how could you sell anything that anybody made? And he's saying, why not?
Why not? Move on. Move on.
So he's truly a merchant and I guess I must be a sentimentalist.
You're a collector.
When you create something that you love, it's hard to part with.
Oh, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
Like your earrings.
Every time Deidre looks in, I want the earrings, the scar. I mean, very good taste, Deidre. My taste.
We'll mug you when you're all over.
And now we're going back to Eugene Aron because Shana has this interesting item to show us.
You did a lovely job of presenting them before, Shana.
Thank you.
I love the case. Did the case come with them?
No, the case is a toolbox that my husband designed for me to put these in.
They're actually not a set themselves. I've collected them all individually.
Tell us again a little bit more about them.
Well, I got the first three about six years ago in Boston when I lived there.
And was so charmed by them that every time I found another one or another two, I would purchase them.
No one that I bought them from has been able to tell me very much.
I think that they're olive picks. They have the point on the end.
A lot of them have the little bulb that would keep the olive from sliding all the way up.
Well, why don't we see what Shana Deidre can tell you? Are these glass olive picks?
They are glass olive picks unless they have the rounded end and then they're drink stirs.
Drink stirs.
They are the rounded end. She seems to have all points on all the ends.
All pointed ends, so it's meant to pierce fruit or something along those lines.
Like a spear.
Yeah, exactly.
Italian. Marano glass, Venetian glass, 1950s, early 60s.
Exactly.
They are very, very popular as a collectible. They came both as the food spears that you have here.
They were also as drink stirs. They were also just decorative ashtrays with the little animals and birds on them.
Highly, highly collected.
So how would you set a value on them?
Individually. About $25, $35 each and then multiply it by what you have.
There's no set per se. Their income is a complete amount of farm.
Right, and it's an assembled set. She's collected from different places all over.
I'm sure if we got closer to it we could identify who made what.
But the way that it's laid out right now, it's an assembled set, so the value would not increase as a result of having as many as you do.
So I would say again, $20 to $30 a piece. I think they're great.
They're great.
They really are.
Venetian glass is very, very popular right now.
Well, it seems like you really love them. Would you ever part with them?
Not at this point. I'm still having a lot of fun finding them and I think right now I'll hold on.
Oh, thank you so much for joining us here today on Personal FX.
And you're nice and dry inside because I understand it's a little rainy outside.
Very rainy.
Thank you, Claire.
Thank you. And Bob now has something he'd like to show us.
Hi, Bob. Welcome.
Hi, how are you?
Where does this come from?
Well, we bought this at an auction. Actually, there's a little story with this.
Good. Tell us.
We went to an auction and I went to the bathroom and my wife, when I came back, my wife told me, she says,
well, I just bought nine pieces of Chinese furniture. I said, where is there nine pieces of Chinese furniture?
And I looked at the paper and it was 59 pieces of Chinese furniture.
And this was included in one of the crates when we opened them up.
So was it a good thing that you went to the bathroom and took a bath and paid your wife?
I don't know if it was or not.
Well, it depends.
Well, it depends on how much you paid.
Well, we paid $1,000 for all the furniture.
So you're fine.
Yeah, we're fine.
You're fine.
For 59 pieces.
For 59 pieces of anything, you're fine.
This is definitely oriental and I must say, if this is not a reproduction and...
It's so hard to tell the reproductions of this with the originals, but this looks good to me.
This looks very old and this falls in the Shang and Chang dynasty, which runs around 2,000 years old.
So this could be legitimate.
I would get this to a true orientalist and have them run some sort of testing on it.
If you need a name...
I'll have to check the clay.
There are a few chips here, which will give a chance, an opportunity to get it into the pottery and see the composition of the clay.
So if it is that old, he did incredibly well.
He has museum quality and this is outside.
Its condition is incredible and it's got a very, very nice design on it.
And you can see the influence.
It's almost a whole Mediterranean kind of...
It's smiling.
Really smiling.
Did you have any idea that it could be a museum quality piece?
Well, we have an antique book that we looked at and it was a similar vase.
And it said that it was in 2,000 BC, the Shang dynasty.
So what kind of money are we talking about?
We're talking...
I wouldn't even put the value on it.
Way outside collectible purview.
You're into museum values and I don't want to give anybody any false museum.
If you need somebody's name, there's a man who does this and he knows it.
I appreciate that.
Do you want to take this to the museum and afterwards, were you interested in putting it up for sale?
Oh, well, all the best.
Hold on, gentlemen.
Are we talking retirement dollars, that kind of money?
Very comfortable retirement dollars.
Win the lotto money?
Win the lotto.
Just checking.
Just what range?
Many hundreds of thousands.
Wow.
Don't trip.
I'm not going to go as high as that because this isn't my field of expertise,
but I would say that you have something very valuable and definitely look into it.
And let us know after you do.
I will.
Definitely.
I will.
Thank you very much.
You heard it here first.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Thank you.
Take it back carefully.
Yes.
Please.
No, you got me scared.
Right.
His wife was keeping it on a sideboard with pussy wheel on it and the cats were playing with it.
Oh, good.
The cats could have destroyed it.
Laurie joins us now.
Hi, Laurie.
How are you?
Welcome.
What did you bring?
An antique referee's watch from the 1930s.
Where did you get it?
Grad sale, water for a friend, and he allowed me to bring it on to the show.
How much was paid for it?
I actually don't know.
I was with someone at the time.
1940s?
It does work if you're...
1950s, I'd say.
1940s, 50s, maybe late 30s from the style.
It still runs.
That's great.
It's incredible.
It's very nice.
A little different level than what we just saw.
Yep.
Yeah.
It's interesting nonetheless.
The panel have pieces that are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It's interesting because it is a referee's watch.
You see so many pocket watches, it's not quite as usual to see the...
And I believe the quarters are broken up differently now than how they play them.
Oh, that's fascinating.
A little different than how they play them.
So the value on something like this is...
Oh, it's a Curio value sports memorabilia, probably around $35, $50.
I would say a little more.
More?
$75 to $100 on it.
I think it's interesting.
$50 to $100.
Okay, I have $200.
Are you interested in putting it up for sale?
No, actually.
I gave it as a gift, so I'd be an Indian giver if I told them.
Oh, I love them.
Do not sell it.
No, I'm not.
But we're so glad that you're here today.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for joining us.
And we're going to be seeing a lot of interesting Indian artifacts because John is in Eugene,
Oregon today.
Oh, and they're going to bang the drums slowly here, John.
That's right, Claire.
This is a Tara Mahara drum used for American Indian dances.
More of John Phillips' collection coming up on Personal Art Racks.
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Women are pretty weird sometimes.
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Did you know in 1992, a Clovis Point or prehistoric arrowhead was uncovered in Indiana?
Its value? $300.
Welcome back now to Personal FX. We're just checking out jewelry here.
You've now changed your earrings because the other ones were making too much noise from the microphone.
Actually, I wanted to borrow them.
I want to let you know about what's up for sale right now.
We have the silk print, the owner maybe putting it up for sale, maybe, worth about $100 to $125.
But her grandfather had done the frame. He was a carpenter and very lovely.
And a nice job.
And then we have the pen and pencil set from the 50s. And it works?
It works.
What did you say? There was one thing that was not...
The screw for the bladder. It's an easy fix. There are so many repairs out there.
Worth about $100 to $125. So we do have our 800 number to write down.
Give us a call. We'll let you know at the end of the program what some of the highest offers are of the day.
And now we're going back to Eugene. It's raining, by the way, in Eugene, Oregon.
And I don't know, maybe the drums, does that have anything to do with the rain?
Or we need to do a sun dance here, John.
I have found the man who is in charge of all the rain in Oregon.
I found him and I found out why he does it.
Hey, John Phillips. I'll have to hide if you talk about it like that.
Right. You're going to be the hunted man.
Hey, listen, there's a difference, you were telling me, between an arrowhead and a point.
We call them projectile points in general.
But the true arrowhead only is probably the last 2500 years or so when they learned to use the bow and arrow.
Because the bow and arrow points have to be small.
Like these in this size here. The larger points were probably adaladels or spear points.
Okay. Or even knives.
Well, make a point of showing me some of your collection, if you would.
Like this one is really special and really old, huh?
That's probably the oldest one in the collection.
It's a Clovis point named from the type they found in Clovis, New Mexico.
This one here is probably 10 to 12,000 years old.
And they've sold anywhere from $100 in poor shape.
I have a record on an auction recently of $2,800 for one point.
You're holding a lot of history in your hands, aren't you?
Right.
John, excuse me. A Clovis point and an arrowhead are the same thing?
Clovis point was not an arrowhead.
It's a projectile point because 10,000 years ago, how do we know just what they used them for?
It was probably a spear. It might even have been a knife.
So chances are, if it's smaller, it's an arrowhead.
That is the only way to tell. If they're very small, they were arrowheads.
Okay. You've got a neat story about this one here, right?
Tell me about that. Which, now, is this a point or an arrowhead?
This is called the Nastibula point.
It's timed from 4,000 years ago to probably 1,500 years ago.
That's fan. We don't really know.
It was probably a clubhead.
We see Indian clubs with these mounted in a piece of wood so they can strike with them.
Well, the neat thing, Claire, is that when you got this, it was actually in this paper here?
Because of the regulations on the finding of arrowheads, I try and buy only from auctions and estates.
This was an estate in Portland several years ago.
Most of the good material was sold, and I found this cigar box under the table
that I could see a few points and some real old papers.
I just bought the whole thing at a low price.
When I got home, this point was in them.
Here, there is a report from President McKinley on the progress of the Spanish-American War.
So I know I probably haven't got a replica or a recent find.
John, excuse me, what are the regulations regarding the buying?
In Oregon now, to buy or sell, you need some kind of a provenance.
Like, if I buy from an auction, I can get an auction statement.
If I buy from a private party, he has to have the landowner's written signature
to be able to sell the material from that land.
From public land, it's all closed to protect the private property of the American Indians
and to protect the archaeological studies that are made by the archaeologists.
So what's neat about this piece, Claire, is that the guy who had it before him had it wrapped in this paper.
So he knows that the collector goes way back.
So whenever he decides to give it up, he's got to wrap it in a current-day paper
so they know that he had it.
John, how do they determine the age of it?
There are three or four ways of telling age.
One is by the stratigraphy, they call it, where it's found in the layers of ground in the geology of the ground.
Another is by carbon dating.
If it's any kind of organic material, there's a carbon study that tells how long carbon-14 has deteriorated.
And they can measure that length of deterioration and tell.
On points like this, you can measure the patina on the surface,
and that layer of patina has so many years since the rock was cut.
And it's an expensive process, but it can be done.
Now you have an artifact that you thought was something else when you got it, right?
Tell me about that one right there. You thought it was something other than what it turned out to be.
This I bought in Northern California, probably yoke it, and I just thought it was an old bowl.
And because I was collecting things, I kept track of it.
And now, after reading and studying, I discovered that it is an Indian lamp.
Probably 1500, 1600, somewhere like that.
And if you look at it carefully, you can see a line here where the fat line was.
They put a rush in here where it's black, and a black in the handle up here where it was hung up.
So that proves that this is one of those old Indian lamps.
When you say a rush, you mean that little thing right there, right?
I think for a wick to make the oil burn, you see.
Now before we go, you have a neat story here, a neat Indian story here on this buffalo hide.
Will you tell me that real quick?
Right. This is the ceremony of the Sundance, which was used by the Plains Indians for religious strength,
for a sick loved one, some kind of a triumph or whatever.
And each of the participants asking to have his prayer granted would have a medicine man put a skewer through his breast meat.
And then this is an actual piece of buffalo hide that was used in the Sundances,
and they were connected to the pole with that buffalo hide.
Hey John?
Then they had to dance until it pulled out.
Excuse me, can you guys get that Sundance going before Friday so that we have some nice sunny weather for the appraisal?
Boy, you guys are just asking for my shirt, you want my pants, now you want the breast bone.
Demanding, demanding, demanding.
While I got you, Mike, do you recognize these at all?
Yeah, yeah, there's the mic.
Yes, those are those dolls you brought back from New Mexico.
Okay, I just want everybody to know that that's what I gave Mike for Christmas.
Hopi kachinas.
Hey John, thank you sir, very much.
Well, it's my pleasure to show thanks.
Claire, this is a neat piece of buffalo hide, isn't it? Very historic too.
Do you know what's so special about the whole collection to think that you're holding so much history,
items that are thousands of years old, with a lot of respect you have to hold those items and that history.
Thank you so much, what a great collection.
And I love hearing about the traditions, Native American Indian traditions.
There's so much we can learn from their culture as well.
And Trish is joining us right now with an item she'd like to have appraised.
What have you brought?
This is a bell that is solid brass, it was given to...
Can I ring it?
Yes, you can.
It was given to my husband.
Thank you, Craig wants to know if it's lunchtime.
No, not yet.
It was given to my father-in-law by his boss in the 1950s and I don't know anything about it before then.
I love the tone of different bells.
I do too.
Very interesting.
Saint Matthew, Saint John, Saint whoever.
Luke, Mark, Matthew, John.
This almost looks like a souvenir piece.
It does, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Perhaps an Italian souvenir piece.
Similar to Liturgy Bells.
Yeah.
Liturgy Bells from the Catholic Church.
She's brought a souvenir piece from Italy, probably from the 40s into the 50s.
Exactly.
Just a nice little...
It may have been something that was actually used in a church, but I just have a feeling it's more of something somebody brought back.
How much is it worth?
About $75.
$50, $75, yeah, exactly.
Really nice.
It's a nice little piece.
It's got a lovely sound to it.
Trisha, do you want to put it up for sale or are you going to...
No.
Take it home with you and ring that bell.
Thank you so much for being with us today.
Do you like tin toys?
Yes, I do, I love them.
Well, when we come back, kids love tin toys, but we adults, I never stop loving tin toys.
We're going to be finding out about how to take care of them, because sometimes you buy them and they're not in the greatest condition.
So the care and feeding of tin toys in just a moment.
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We're going to be showing you in a moment just how to clean up that toy and make it look almost like new.
So welcome back now to Personal FX.
A reminder about our 800 number, we're going to be getting calls.
We've seen some interesting items today and we're going to be seeing some more items.
We're even going back to Eugene right now because Heather has an item to show us.
Hi, Heather. Tell us about your...
Is that a teacup and saucer there?
Yes, it's a teacup that was my great-great-grandmother's.
She immigrated from Wales and I don't know too much about it.
I believe it's gold hand-painted trim on the outside.
And that's about it.
Now I know that John and Deirdre are going to ask for the markings on the bottom.
Is that where my right guy's at?
There are much closer.
There are no markings on the bottom, probably because it was manufactured in Wales or hand-done in Wales.
Now is that unusual for no markings on the bottom?
No, not at all. It's very common for generic material.
Can we see a close-up of the pattern real fast?
It's interesting because the shape is a turn-of-the-century shape,
a deep saucer prior to the turn of the century, but the decoration looks a little bit later.
Not that they didn't start out that way.
It's just an unusual shape. It's almost...
It is perhaps... Would you say English or Scottish?
I think it's English. I think it's English. That's why...
That thistle, but obviously made for maybe the Scottish market with that kind of thistle design.
That's true. That's right. With the Heathers and the Moors. Exactly.
I like all those words.
English and Scottish, the Heathers and the Moors.
That whole feel to it.
We're talking to him.
What is the value?
Generically, probably...
Is it one piece or are there more pieces?
There are no more pieces. Most of them are broken.
35 to 45 dollars.
To 45 dollars, exactly. Right in that price range.
In this condition?
Yeah, just like that.
Don't crack it. Don't break it. Would you like to put it up for sale?
Well, it is my mother's. She would like to entertain offers,
but I'm a little more sentimental than she is. If we don't get any bids on it, then I think I'll keep it.
Trust it.
Now notice everybody, she really doesn't want any bids on this.
Just as an aside, the deep sauce...
It is my mother's and I'm supposed to broker it for her.
Heather will be happy to make your mother happy.
Thank you so much for being with us.
And now it's my time to play with some tin toys.
Oh, you've been waiting all day.
Yes, I've been waiting. Would you excuse me, please?
The tin toys have been around since the 1870s.
But apparently, they don't have to look like they're from the 1870s,
because you can clean them up and not affect the value of the toys.
And Judith Kat Schwartz, one of our ace appraisers, is here.
She's got a fabulous, I didn't even know you had a fabulous tin toy collection.
I love it.
And I was told you have one toy from the 1950s that you cleaned up so well, nobody would ever know. Which one is that?
Is that what this is?
That's it.
That's a little rocket ship.
It's been cleaned and polished, and that's the key.
I mean, the first step, of course, is to buy toys in the best possible condition,
the best condition that you can find and afford,
because rust really can't be removed without removing the paint also.
So rust is really the big thing. I mean, dirt, you can clean it up a whole lot of year.
Well, you can keep the rust from spreading, but you can't take it off.
Wait a minute, how do you keep the rust from spreading?
By protecting the toy, protecting the rust from air, because rust is oxidation.
It's metal that is combined with oxygen.
If you keep it away from oxygen, it won't rust any further.
So you should be keeping it where?
Under a coat of wax, which I'm going to show you.
Under a coat of wax, let's show us. Where do we start?
Well, we start with a little soapy water. Sure, you can. I'll give this to you if you like.
And I brought a specially filthy toy, and we're using a towel because it's absorbent, and it's a little bit abrasive.
Not enough to take off the paint, but it's kind of nubby.
You just use some ivory soap and water, that's it?
That's it. Just rub hard.
Oh, now I really have to. Ooh, a lot of muscle power here.
That looks great.
That's doing it. That's easy.
Yeah.
Wait, I'm getting the crab in with a few things here.
Well, that could be rust. That could be rust.
You never really know until you take off the dirt what's under there.
Okay, now we're going to use clean water and another towel.
Should we always dress this nice to clean stuff?
Well, I always do. I prefer evening wear to clean toys.
Where are our FX aprons? That's what we need.
Just checking.
Okay, now we're going to use the other side of the towel,
and you want to dry it thoroughly because water has oxygen in it,
dihydrogen oxide.
So you can rust it more if you don't dry it thoroughly.
Yeah, and what you're going to do is you're going to put a coat of wax on here,
and you don't want to trap the water in there.
Any kind of wax?
Special wax.
Well, I use paste wax. This is Butcher's wax right over here.
And you need something pretty soft, so I have the old sock here,
which is soft and also allows you to get into the little...
These don't belong to John Burke, do they?
No, these are clean.
These are clean. Okay, thank you. I have my sock here, too.
Okay. Now wait, I'm going to give you this one because we need that one clean.
Okay.
Now, you're not going to rub hard. You're just going to apply this to the surface.
Just to the surface.
Okay, you're going to put a thin coat on the surface.
Just gently.
Yeah, you're just going to leave a coat on the surface.
And now what's going to happen is you have to let the wax dry to just the right amount.
If you don't let it dry enough, when you buff it, you'll be taking the wax off.
That's good.
How do you know it's to the right amount if you're not standing next to me?
I usually wait 20 minutes. Okay, because if you wait too long, the wax will be hard,
and then you're not going to be able to get a good shine.
And you buff it.
And the more you buff it, the more it's going to shine. You can see it's shiny right there.
So that coats it, protects it, so it's not going to rust.
Absolutely, and it keeps it nice and shiny.
Now, these are all from your collection? This is easy.
So do you have one that you've cleaned up the best?
Well, the one you pointed to was the best.
That one in there?
Yes, and also there's a good little...
Oh, sorry. Our little gentleman just joined up pretty well.
This is really great, and a whole lot better than what was inside.
So most of this will come off.
Yeah, pretty much all come off.
I thank you so much for telling us about the care and feeding.
And I do have some toys that I probably could soak in water and a coat of pet.
Oh, you can make them look great. Where are you going to sell them or keep them?
They just look nice when they're displayed if you wax them.
So if you go to a flea market and you see one that isn't in good condition,
don't be afraid to buy it?
Unless it's rusty.
Unless it's really rusty enough. Thank you, Judith, so much.
Thank you.
And a reminder, if you would like some, well, to give us some feedback on the show,
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Welcome back now to Personal Fx.
Another discussion going on here, a little back and forth.
Do you like those tin toys?
Those are fun.
Those are my childhood.
Those are all my stuff.
Now I learned how to clean them and make them nice,
which is great, like learning around here.
And a reminder of our 800 number to call in
because let me tell you about what we're getting bids on right now.
First, we have this right here.
What do we call it?
A silk engraving?
Photogravure.
It sounds much better.
On silk.
Worth about $100 to $125.
And then the pen and pencil set from the 50s.
And that's also worth about $100 to $125.
So give us a call and we'll let you know in a moment
about our high offers of the day.
We're going back to Eugene though
because Elizabeth has something to show us.
Hi Elizabeth, welcome to the show.
And what would you like to have appraised?
Hi Claire.
I have this little doll.
She's a little witch doll that I bought about 20 years ago
at a garage sale.
Well she's adorable.
And these are all her clothes and her little castle she lives in.
Do you collect dolls?
No, I don't.
How much did you pay for her?
I really don't remember.
Don't remember.
This is a royal doll.
No idea.
Deidre loves dolls.
Oh stop.
She's the doll maybe.
Yeah, generic little dime store doll is what it looks like.
This is really fun though.
Can we go over towards the house?
Oh, did this come with it?
Oh, fabulous.
Oh, the whole thing together.
The clothes are all, look at that.
That's fun.
That's great.
Tell the house around.
That's great.
And I don't know if you can get it on the camera,
but her eyes flash.
They're like lighted.
She's battery operated and they flash a green light.
Does she have any kind of a manufacturing mark on her back?
It says Girls World, which I'm not familiar with.
I don't know about that.
I know Girls World on Broadway, but I don't know.
No, no, not that Girls World.
This looks like what, 70s, 80s?
It doesn't look like that.
It's 1972.
1972, okay.
Exactly what it is.
Just a generic little doll.
I don't know any purview or covenants for it, do you?
No.
And not like there were a lot of them made?
Yeah.
I really wouldn't get, I mean, I don't know.
I think the set is great.
I think it's fun.
And I would say off the top of my head, $35 to $50.
Yeah, maybe $60.
It's exactly what it belongs.
It's really nice.
Even with a little house?
Little house, because there's no provenance to it.
There's no manufacturer or there's not Barbie-ish or Mattel-ish.
Well, it's still wonderful.
$35 to $60 is what they're saying.
And you've had it for a long time.
Did you, well, you like it.
Would you ever put it up for sale?
Oh, sure.
Sell it off.
She likes it.
We have a lot of things for sale.
There is a blue book of dolls collectors, which you can look up the name.
You can probably get more information from that than I have in my brands.
Well, the only other information I have is on her, the tags on her clothing.
It does say that it's a division of Milton Bradley, I believe.
Okay.
We'll let you know, Elizabeth, if somebody falls in love with it
and wants to make an offer on it.
Thank you so much for being with us today.
You're an interesting item here.
And time to open up our mail bag.
Letters.
Where do you get letters?
Deidre, on Monday, John is usually here, John and Pat together sing.
What did you know?
I want to fight with John.
You don't sing, is that it?
Anybody can sing.
I'm on Mondays.
Let's sing out.
Lee Brockla has written us from St. Joseph, Michigan.
Dear Claire, I want to tell you first of all how much I enjoy your show.
It's the most informative and interesting of any I have seen.
Well, thank you.
I have a set of small toy soldiers, which I wish to sell.
It was a gift to me by a friend who was cleaning out his attic.
The set was sent to him by a friend who was living in Germany at the time, 20 years ago.
I believe it's pewter.
The soldiers were made from original, very old German molds and are hand painted.
There's no box.
There are 17 soldiers, one building.
Each soldier is one and one quarter inches tall.
And the building is about six and a half by five.
On the back of the building is a sign which reads, let's see, I don't speak German.
Zinfiguren, cabinets, Berliner, Zinfiguren, Warner, Schultz, Berlin, and the phone number.
Yes.
Okay.
86, 87.
These are probably within the past 20 years.
They are a better quality.
The hand painting on these is very good.
The detail on the soldiers is very good.
And it's nice that you have the building with it.
They are not, as I say, anything older than 20 years old.
And I would give the set a value of, I don't know, a hundred and a quarter to 150.
Probably, yeah.
Somewhere there.
Or more things.
About 150.
Just exactly that.
If it's made from the old molds, I don't know how they know that, but it's an interesting little thing.
About 150.
Thank you so much for writing to us.
And glad you're enjoying the show.
Thank you for saying that.
And next we heard from Gary Buecher from Butte, Montana.
And he's written, I'm enclosing photographs of an ashtray I purchased at a local antique shop in 1987 for $50.
It was displayed in the window and the light playing on it just intrigued me.
I'm just wondering, was it worth it?
The tray is six and an eighth inches in diameter, two and an eighth inches high, and signed on the bottom by the artist.
What do you guys think?
I don't know, this is good.
We were going through this and I'm like, it sounds like Lalique from the description on your paper.
It is Lalique.
It's signed Lalique, France.
It is typical of Lalique glass.
Is it iridescent, does it say?
No.
Okay.
It's a classic glass and Lalique is still being produced.
This looks like an older piece.
And Lalique glass is valuable.
Lalique glass is very, very valuable.
I think the hand signed is earlier than the block.
I don't know.
It's a needle action, it is the earlier style.
Okay, so then it looks like a style from the 20s or the 30s.
And I would guess if it's not a reproduction or a pattern that's been done in an earlier style, I would give this a value of $250 to $350.
It's a very early 30s by the design and the type of frosting that's on it.
You're right on.
Very lovely.
Gary, you didn't take the cash.
This can be looked up as well.
This is something, there are more specific figures on this.
Gary, thank you so much.
And next, Muriel McBride has written to us from Prattville, Alabama and she's on the line right now.
Muriel, welcome to the program.
Thank you.
And tell us about this birthing chair that you wrote us about.
I don't know anything about it.
My husband found it in the old shed behind his brother's home.
And I was told that it was a birthing chair and that's all I know about it.
Well, let's find out a little bit more.
Years ago they did use birthing chairs.
They did use birthing chairs, but the birthing chairs that I've seen were more egg-shaped and more often more support to the woman than this seems to be doing.
I just honestly can't say for sure it is, but it could well be.
But what could it be if it's not a birthing chair?
Uncomfortable.
Very uncomfortable.
Very good.
It's very possible that the holes in the side work uses grips and if you were to sit back I guess you would get the right position.
I don't think it's a birthing chair.
I just don't get that feeling.
To me it seems more like a portable type of a chair and I'm not going any further than that because I don't know.
It's a very early influence.
It's shaker-ish, but it's too ornate to be shaker.
It's some Pennsylvania Dutch look to it.
And the value-ish of it?
Because it's an interesting chair.
I put $175 on it, $150, $175 because it's an interesting chair, but without some provenance.
Without knowledge, if you're looking at it on auction, yeah, $150, $175.
$175 and maybe one of our viewers will call us if they know exactly what it is.
Exactly.
And give us more information.
Bureau, did you have any interest in putting it up for sale?
No, I think I'll keep it and let my daughter-in-law try it out.
Okay.
You obviously have a good relationship with your daughter-in-law.
Thank you so much for being on the line today.
And for those of you who have...
She might just have the baby to get out of that chair.
I wasn't trying to take that comment.
For those of you who have something you'd like to know about and you can't visit us,
do send us some pictures and videotape of your item to P.O. Box 826,
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Welcome back now to Personal Log X. We've got a full crowd here. We've got items to tell you about.
And we're going back to Eugene because Kim, you and your mother are going to have to make a decision here.
I know your mother wants to sell and you don't. But I'm sorry Elizabeth. I'm sorry.
We have Kim on the line from Preston Idaho who has made an offer for you Elizabeth. Sorry about that. For $70 for the witch doll.
I'll think about it. I'd like to take her number.
You can talk to your mom about it.
Talk to your mom.
Okay. Very good. Thank you so much for being with us. And let's see. Christine, for the Dutch Soul painting, we have Ray from Midland, Michigan has made an offer of $165.
No, I don't think so.
Don't think so. Okay. A no on that. Jeff, for the pen and pencil set, Michael from Salt Lake City has made an offer of $135.
I think Michael owns a pen and pencil set.
Sold! We are sold.
And going back to Eugene, what an interesting collection John, today. And our thanks to the other John, the super collector.
You know what, it's so interesting to hear the history behind some of these items as well.
And to know that somebody is protecting and taking good care of very old items.
And really appreciating them. That's right.
Yes, appreciating history.
So, really want to take time to just thank everybody in Eugene and everybody with TCI Cable because we're just having a great time out here.
And this is one more piece of his collection actually. It's American Chestnut Wood, which is extinct now.
And we'll be learning more about that tomorrow when we visit a man who collects wood.
And you know, this is kind of a logging area, so we're going to find out a lot about that tomorrow.
And glad to see you have a nice shirt on here today, John.
What's that Claire?
Glad to see you have a nice shirt on here today.
Untorn, that's right.
Good. See you tomorrow. And thanks to all of you for joining us, Judith. Thanks for teaching me about tin toys, John.
And thank you so much, Deirdre. And we'll see you all back here tomorrow. Have a great day.
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