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I am pleased to welcome to the program the people who would like to be members
of the First Family. Here are Kitty Dukakis, her beloved and devoted children
who include John Dukakis. I'm gonna tell them how old you are, John. I guess at
your age it doesn't matter. You're 30. Andrea Dukakis is also here. Andrea is 22
and Kara is also with us. Kara is 19 and in a moment we'll be chatting with them
and I'll ask you to, as we make our break here and do our do some business with
our commercials, we'll be back in a moment to talk to this First Family of
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Michael Dukakis leans over to his wife I think at the St. Patrick's Day parade in Chicago.
He says to her, if I'm asleep tonight when I get home wake me up.
I don't want a moment. I don't want to lose a moment.
And his mic was on.
And his youngest daughter said, they printed it in the paper.
And his youngest daughter Kara said, oh mom how gross.
Did you say that? I actually didn't say oh gross.
I said that she had embarrassed me in front of a lot of people.
In fact the entire United States I thought.
Well you responded like not a few other 19 year old offspring would respond if their father had made this request in front of the nation.
It's ironic. It is an irony isn't it?
That you know this looks like a great marriage to me and everybody else.
And these kids look like they turned out as we would have said in my neighborhood when I was a boy.
They turned out good.
The Democratic Party seems to be saying to your husband, Mike, please kick some butt.
Come on Mike.
I think he's doing that Phil.
I think he is responding appropriately. I'm so proud of him.
He's the kind of guy who can't be molded and manufactured.
And I think that says something very special about Michael Dukakis.
But he is presenting as an Eagle Scout.
He was one.
I bet he was. I'm not surprised.
And an older boy too.
And it doesn't seem to be working.
Well I think what happens so often, Michael is a first generation American.
They often are taught to keep those emotions at home.
But our children are going to tell you that he's always been there for us.
His emotions have really been saved I guess in large part for the family, for the children and myself.
And I'm not sure that we need a lot of passion. We need priorities in this country.
I think that passion presents itself in different ways.
He is not somebody who cries on cue or necessarily makes audiences cry with him.
He doesn't bang tables. He doesn't scream at people off the top of his head.
What his passion comes out though is in the things that he does.
It's an action not just words.
And I think that over the last couple of days especially you've seen him angry.
You've seen him responding to absolutely uncalled for criticism.
And you've seen something that I think all of us have seen probably a little more often,
which is a side of him which feels very deeply about this country.
And I think he's a little more demonstrative in those last couple of days.
And I think you've seen it throughout the campaign.
But it depends what kind of a president we want.
Do we want somebody who is either a Henny Youngman or somebody who can make us feel good all the time?
Or do we want a combination of that, somebody who can lead?
I think my dad has demonstrated as governor and also as a candidate that ability to lead this country
both through a vision but also through what he does in getting the job done.
Andrea?
Well, I was just going to say that I think the reason that dad is in politics is because he cares about people.
He cares about helping people.
And I think that's what we want in a president.
We want someone that cares about every kind of person and puts his emotion into programs
that can help people have a better life.
And that's what I'm so proud of him about.
I also think that people look at him as not being a very passionate person,
but that's exactly the opposite of the way we see him as a father.
He's someone that as young women we could go and talk to him about our questions or problems.
He was always there for us.
And I don't know many friends of mine that have that same relationship with their father
where they can trust to go and ask him questions.
And he'll always be listening.
He's a very busy person.
He's been in politics all our lives.
But he was always able to focus on us and listen to us when we had problems or questions.
He knows what's important.
Yeah.
I honestly think the American people believe that.
I think the American people have to be impressed with this family.
You lost a child, your first baby.
Your husband lost a brother.
That's right.
Your husband, a straight arrow as straight an arrow as the Greek Orthodox community has ever given us.
And yet in 1980 when Ronald Reagan said, I paid for this microphone.
I paid for this microphone.
Turned the campaign in Ronald Reagan's favor.
Turned it around, gave him the nomination.
I can't imagine Mike Dukakis behaving that way.
I don't think we want him to do that, Phil.
I don't think we want somebody to be false, to be phony, not to be himself.
I think we want someone who has the courage of his convictions, who is strong,
who has passion about those things that count,
whether it's providing leadership that provides an opportunity for young people to go on to college,
or young couples to buy homes, or taking care of millions of homeless people in our country.
And I think what you're saying is he's certainly someone that's going to stand up when he thinks
that something's been done that's not fair or that's wrong.
I mean, he was born with that sense that if there's something out there that isn't right,
or that he has to stand up and he's going to do something about it and change it,
he's forceful that way.
You've been hypothetically raped and murdered in a question in front of 75 million people.
Yeah, and I felt totally inappropriate, pure theater, Phil.
Michael had been asked that question over and over again.
That was not the first time.
But in the context of that debate, I felt it was unfair and inappropriate.
I think the American people felt that way, too.
The problem was that your husband didn't respond as though he felt that way, too.
I think when you're asked that same question so many times, it's difficult to evoke emotion,
and especially in that context.
I think the other feeling that I had as I was sitting there listening to him was that
capital punishment wouldn't have brought me back if something had happened.
He didn't say that.
And I agree, the campaign should not turn on that one moment.
But we have accumulation of these moments.
Your father is soft on crime.
Let me respond to that, or do you want to respond to it?
Go ahead.
I want to hear the litany, and then we can...
Oh, all right.
Your husband isn't patriotic because he...
My mother burned an American flag.
He's a liberal.
What a terrible thing to be.
Where is the outrage here?
His patriotism has been challenged.
He's been accused of coddling, of being soft on crime, soft on defense.
Michael wanted Phil so much to run a positive campaign,
to talk about those issues that are important to this country,
talk about his vision for the future of this country.
Let me talk about the whole issue of crime,
because that's very important to the men and women of this country,
to families in America.
His family was touched by crime.
His dad was bound and gagged as a 77-year-old physician.
His brother was killed by a hit-and-run driver.
We always assumed it was somebody who was drunk or on drugs.
Michael's crime record in Massachusetts is one of the best in the country.
We are down 13 percentage points, and the nation has gone up.
That's the lowest murder rate of any state in the country.
These are the facts.
Let me talk about the furlough program too, John, for a second,
because every state in the country has a furlough program.
40 out of 50 states furlough first-degree murderers.
The federal government has furloughed 7,000 drug pushers.
George Bush knows this.
He hasn't discussed the federal furlough program once in eight years.
I think it says something about his wanting to put a mask in front of his own record,
a dismal record in terms of the whole issue of money for law enforcement
and fighting drugs coming into our country.
You must go back to the hotel at night and say to yourself, those.
You must feel it.
I feel very frustrated and very angry at times,
because what the Bush campaign and the Republican Party is saying
really are things that are not true and that I know aren't true,
because I grew up with my father, I grew up with his policies,
I grew up with his government making, and they aren't true, and it's not fair.
You know, a liberal used to be a person who gave you Social Security,
who brought Social Security, unemployment comp, got your father a job in the 30s.
The liberals did that.
The Bush campaign appears to have succeeded in painting a liberal
as a person who lets a black guy out of jail.
And underneath this, you know this commercial,
the spiral staircase and the door and the convicts are coming in,
and then about 20 seconds into the commercial you see a mugshot of a menacing black murderer.
Is that racist?
I think it smacks of insensitivity on the issue of racism.
I mean, I think it's more hypocritical.
I mean, we're talking about the furlough program when we talk about that commercial.
And my mother just talked about the fact that there's a furlough program on the federal level,
and there are furlough programs all over this country,
and that that program was started in Massachusetts by a Republican governor and ended by my father.
And I think what you say about that, and what that says to me is that
whether or not that commercial is racist, that commercial is hypocritical,
and it misrepresents my father.
And it exploits human tragedy for some kind of political gain.
We would never do that.
We would not presuppose to go into one case and say, this is it.
This represents what Mike DeCacos is all about.
Of course it doesn't.
And of course there are many other cases which the federal program has been involved.
There were two very unfortunate tragedies that took place in California when President Reagan was Governor Reagan.
But herein lies the – I see your indignation, I feel it.
But herein lies the problem.
Your father left the Democratic convention.
Boy, it really looked like, you know, here you were running against a guy.
Where was George and all this?
And then suddenly shazam.
The polls changed almost overnight.
Now, here's the latest wisdom on that, on the op-ed pages of more than a few very –
On the op-ed pages of more than a few very powerful newspapers.
The victories that you showed in the polls, that your father showed in the polls,
had to do with the fact that he finally shook off Jesse Jackson.
This is the read.
And America, a racist America, sighed collectively that finally this liberal guy who's going to tear everything apart
and he's black to boot is over.
We don't have to worry.
Now comes the Republican convention, and they immediately told America who your father was,
and you've spent this entire campaign responding to them.
All right.
But let me talk about what happened after the Republican convention.
For weeks and weeks we heard about nothing but the rather poor judgment Mr. Bush used in choosing Daniel Quayle.
And that didn't seem to hurt him.
Well, it didn't allow us to get our message out because people were so obsessed with what –
So Quayle took over the space in the –
He did for a while. He did for a while.
I would also say that those pundits who are saying that now also talked about a deadlocked convention.
They talked about how Dukakis could never win, how Gephardt was inevitable.
I mean, we've been hearing the convention wisdom be disproven every month and every week.
We clearly didn't respond with the kind of campaign that they started to run against us.
Maybe that was a mistake.
Now, though, I think it's our opportunity to set the record straight on some of these distortion laws.
And really what this is is a diversion.
They have diverted the attention away from the real issues in this campaign, which are not furloughs,
which are not Boston Harbor, which are not many other things.
They're the kinds of issues that people discuss across the kitchen table every night.
And whether they're going to be able to go to school, whether they're going to be able to afford child care,
whether we're going to have a clean and healthy environment for everyone, that's what this is all about.
And that's what we're trying to get back to in these closing weeks.
Right. Now, Carl, let me ask you this.
You're 19. You're a sophomore at Brown University.
You're obviously doing well. You're – no scandal here. You're in good standing.
Now, here's some more –
I hope so, Phil.
Yeah. She may have some catching up to do it.
Here's the – your gang, your crowd, doesn't know where – can't find Nicaragua on the map.
Now, wait a minute. I'm saying this here now.
More than half – most of your gang think Russia was on the other side in World War II.
Can't find Vietnam. Can't name their congressman.
America's problem is not in our candidates. It's in ourselves.
You know, we shouldn't be surprised we have sound bites.
We don't have any patience for the Persian Gulf and asymmetrical strategic geopolitical –
and that's why we've got a campaign that nobody likes, a shallow campaign that essentially is not too much more
than little snips on the evening news with no real addressing of the issues.
How would you – is –
Well, we've talked about a lot of different things.
I mean, I think, first of all, I disagree with sort of the premise of what you were saying.
I think that in terms of my gang, the young people of this country are a lot brighter
and a lot more tuned in to what's going on in the world today than they were quite a while ago.
And I think they're also more tuned in to what's going on politically.
I have traveled around on the campaign trail to college campuses,
and I have been encouraged at the enthusiasm and at the work that young people are doing in this election, in this campaign.
So I think the American people deserve a little bit more credit for how much they know about it.
I also think – I go to a lot of colleges, and these kids are working day and night to elect my father,
and they're working hard, and that's because they feel strongly about issues like education
and the environment and family issues like health care and child care.
They're looking into their future, and they're saying that they want a president that cares about those issues,
that isn't just talking about those things because it's an election year, but it's dedicated to them.
And inevitably, there are some Bush supporters in the back, and sometimes I'll talk to them and ask them what it is.
And they talk about patriotism, and they talk about the furlough program, but they don't have substantive issues.
The people that are working on this campaign and young people are starting to feel that my father is the candidate that cares about their issues.
And I really think that's an important thing to get out, that these people are putting in hours, phone banks, nights,
working on this campaign because they see that my father represents a lot of the issues that they care about.
Mrs. Dukakis, as I am sure you know, there is across our land a rumor regarding George Bush's personal life.
The rumor has everyone inside the Beltway in Washington, D.C., abuzz.
Our stock market had a considerable shock on the occasion of the rumor that the Washington Post was going to report this.
Mrs. Bush, upon being asked about this by Regis Philbin here in New York City, he said, I kind of hate to ask you this, she said, don't.
Do you feel for her?
Sure I do. I think that's a very difficult question to be asked.
On the other hand, nothing I guess when one is running for the presidency is not acceptable.
And we've learned that as a family.
We're certainly used to dealing with unsubstantiated rumors.
And it's something that's very unfortunate.
Of course I think we all feel for somebody where there's no basis for the rumor being out there.
I think it probably says more about Wall Street than it says about anything else actually.
I'm not sure why something like that would plunge the market.
But we deal with these kinds of things.
This thing about, I hate to return to it, but the burning of the American flag, completely baseless, completely out of right field.
But Kitty Dukakis's alleged burning of the American flag made all the newspapers in this country, every one.
And that was an effort on the part of Mr. Bush's campaign to discredit me.
It was totally false.
There was never any picture because I never attended an antiwar rally.
But we're not sure, are we?
Oh, we are sure. We're darn sure.
Here's my point. That's like fly paper. You can't get that off.
The New York Times reported that your husband called for the resignation of a very highly placed woman in your husband's campaign
because she wanted to know, she said out loud to the press, why don't you chase this?
Why aren't you reporting this?
Your husband, Eagle Scout, that he is?
Immediately dismissed.
I felt it was inappropriate for Donna Brazile to say that.
She was a very fine woman, by the way, who had gone through a 24-hour period before she resigned.
Being called terrible racist names during a parade or during an event in Illinois.
Who was?
Donna, this young woman on Michael's staff.
The New York Times grandly reported the dismissal of this woman on page 17
without ever telling its readers what it was that she said.
No such high road in journalism has attended the burning of the flag, your husband's alleged depression.
Totally false.
Yeah. Is that fair?
I guess there's sometimes a double standard in reporting.
And that is something that one can't in our position pay much attention to.
I really mean that.
Michael and I have been involved politically for two and a half decades.
And we have to accept, I think, as Americans who care very much about the First Amendment,
that there are rewards, there are problems, there are weaknesses, and yet we don't have an alternative.
Yes, but it seems to me that at least you have, it would seem to me that you would be indignant
that this protection would attempt.
Your husband fired John Sasso because he reported, he told the press that Joe Biden was copying his speech.
That was true.
Then your, he's since been rehired, but then your husband fired a very highly placed woman in your campaign
for talking to the press about the truth of the rumor, not to suggest that she had any proof about the rumor.
So it looks like this attempt to be pure is in the long run penalizing your husband's candidacy.
Do you want to take that?
Well, I think that maybe the press is smartening up.
This whole notion that if you report a rumor and say what the rumor is, that it's okay,
I think is a new thing that's happened in journalism, which I think is very dangerous,
because it allows the press to be manipulated by people who feel that they want to do it.
Who people could start rumors.
Exactly.
Yeah, but they were manipulated in regard to the unfair, untrue attacks on your mother.
I'm not sure why that happened.
To give a little background, Senator Steve Sims, the United States Senator from Idaho,
talked about this on a radio talk show, and I think there was a feeling that that was out there a little more.
He, by the way, never ever apologized for it.
I went to Idaho seeking that and received it from the governor of Idaho, but not from Senator Sims.
I'm not sure.
The rules seem to change very quickly.
I don't think we harbor a grudge about how that works.
Everything about politics is unfair in some ways.
But your own position now regarding this particular, largely, and incidentally, the networks are now going at this obliquely.
Chris Wallace wondered last night how could Dukakis accuse Bush of racism when the Dukakis campaign
in the person of the woman who's been dismissed has been suggesting Bush is less than honorable in his personal life.
You see what I mean? It's in there. It's a bank shot now.
Any feeling about that?
There was no bank shot on the psychiatrist.
You're talking about the whole business of how the press perceives and reports.
Would you like to see them stop this? Do you think this is unfair to the Bushes?
I think rumors should never be written or talked about unless they can be substantiated.
I think it's unfair to the Bushes.
You think it's unfair to the Bushes?
I do.
I just think our family also has a tremendous amount of empathy for another political family,
regardless of whether we're competing for a race, that we understand what it's like to go through it,
what the scrutiny is like, and so we feel for them even though we're competing.
You are terminally civil.
Wait a second. We're willing to talk about Mr. Bush and his policies and Senator Quayle as well.
The question is whether it's personal. I don't think we don't hate the Bushes.
We don't have any animosity for them.
We don't like some of the things that they've done in this campaign,
but to get into discussions about what they did and who said what about whom, again, gets us off of the real issues in this campaign.
They're going through a lot as well, and I think we feel for them.
I mean, I will say that we get very angry when we see Dad's positions being misrepresented.
It's very frustrating for us. We spent a lot of time in hotels lately.
You come home to your hotel and turn on a network or CNN, and you see an ad that misrepresents Dad, and we get very upset about it.
Now, we don't hold it against the Bush family, but we get upset at their campaign for misrepresenting our father.
We're going to invite the Bushes over to the White House any time they want.
We are in New York City with the DeCapis family, and we'll be back in just a moment.
There's been an unpleasant ugliness in this year's campaigns.
Voters have been treated contemptuously, not as partners in the greatest democracy on earth.
It's time to say enough is enough. In my own words, this is what I'm for.
We have to invest in education so every kid has an opportunity.
I believe it's wrong to cut Social Security. It's a disgrace 37 million Americans have no health insurance.
I believe we have to crack down on toxic polluters, and those are the issues we should be talking about in 1988.
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But prejudice is what Prop 99 is really about.
You see, Prop 99 doesn't tax tobacco companies. It taxes people because of their choice of lifestyle.
In America, especially California, we just don't do that.
And let's hope to God it never comes to that.
On Election Day, vote no on prejudice. Vote no on Proposition 99.
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Okay. First thing I want to say is that I hope I'm looking at the first family.
Thank you.
Not really to ask, but I would like the American adult voting public to look at the man.
I feel that Mr. Dukakis has not lowered his standards, and that's what made my decision.
Thank you.
I saw a television show the other day which said that Dukakis in Massachusetts, Dukakis and Bush were pretty much evenly spread out with the votes.
Now, what does that say about his leadership?
Well, it's not true. So I think what it says is that we're going to win in Massachusetts by a comfortable margin.
It says the Massachusetts people take a look at issues.
There are 40 percent of the people in the state didn't want him to run in the first place because they didn't want to lose him as governor.
And it's going to be close everywhere, but we're going to win.
Yeah.
You know, John, I've heard you all say how you empathize with Mr. Bush. You don't like to see them hate.
My God, how many cheeks do you have to turn? You don't have enough collective cheeks.
Get back at him. He's got a right to say, give him hell.
Well, I would just like to say that in watching the Democratic convention, it seemed to me that the mudslinging began there, and I'd like your opinion on that.
Let me answer that. It started long before the Democratic convention.
It started with flag burning about me. It started with psychiatrists' false accusations about my husband.
That's when it started. Mr. Bush has to take responsibility for distortion and dishonesty in terms of this campaign.
Mrs. DeCaucus, as the next First Lady, what will be your priorities?
Well, there have been five major initiatives in which I've been involved that I would want to continue with.
Homelessness, building a national partnership for affordable housing.
My husband's been a real leader in that effort in his home state. We've got close to three million homeless people in our country.
In addition, chemical abuse, substance abuse, something that's very near and dear to me again.
Michael DeCaucus has fought a real war against drugs, and I'd want to be part of that effort nationally.
The arts, my dad's a musician. I'm a former dancer. My son's an actor.
I'm a former actor.
Former actor. Sorry, I forgot.
Family ties, JAWS 2. You've got quite a... I assume you have some continued interest in being an actor.
No, I've retired.
You don't? You don't want to be an actor?
Until I have to finish.
Why don't you be a talk show host if you don't have an actor?
First of all, I'd like to say that I hope you win. I don't understand how we can conceive of voting for someone who knew about a Rand-Contra.
That's absurd.
Secondly, I'm curious as to how much the media advisors really have to do with Michael DeCaucus' image, because I really feel like what he is,
and I think he's the best candidate, has been watered down by the advisors letting Bush's campaign set the agenda.
And I really wonder just how much he takes their advice and how much he is what he is.
Well, Michael is Michael. And as I said earlier, it is more difficult to get a strong candidate like Michael, who has those strengths,
to make the changes that are sometimes necessary. Mr. Bush is a much easier candidate to manipulate and mold.
He's been doing this for a long time as well. He's been the vice president for quite a long time.
He's run on a national ticket, or at least run for president or vice president three times. This is their opportunity.
Hi, Mrs. DeCaucus. I'm just curious, when I get to be your age, I want to be able to be as fit and as good looking as you are.
How do you stay so trim? You have time for it?
Well, I try very hard. As a matter of fact, this last five-day period is the longest time I've gone without walking for two miles every other day.
And I do fast walking to music. I try to do some exercising in my hotel rooms. I've even done it on the plane.
You've told the world that you were addicted to Dexadrine for 26 years.
Diet pills, because it was a variety of different kinds of pills.
You know, they call you fiery. And you do say that you told Barbara Walters that you are not like that since now that you're drug-free.
No, I didn't say I wasn't fiery, because everybody who knows me would know I was lying.
But what I said was that I am a much calmer person than I was. And when you use, whether it's drugs or alcohol, no matter how much you use...
You go up.
...it alters your personality. And you are not your own person.
I'm glad you called. Go ahead.
I'm a Massachusetts voter, and I am not Mr. Dupakis. He has not balanced the budget. He owes millions of dollars.
The drug problem in Massachusetts alone is awful.
Roxbury had quite a few shootings within the last couple of months.
The only person that did not either attend or sent any representative was Mr. Dupakis.
Mayor Flynn did. The Commissioner Roach did, but not Mr. Dupakis. No one did for him.
Also, to stand on weapons. I am not going to feel very safe with having him run the country the way he runs Massachusetts and being very weak in his defense.
And the police in our own state doesn't even back him. They back Mr. Bush.
That's not true.
That's a complete lie.
That's absolutely not true.
Only because of the fact is that they have asked him for help in quite a few areas, and they have not received that help from him.
Let Mrs. Dupakis comment.
I'm going to let my son take this one because...
I don't know where to begin, but certainly on the police unions, the vast majority of men and women in uniform in Massachusetts have supported my dad.
They understand that he is at least part of the reason the crime is down.
America saw Bush standing in front of all those blue uniforms.
Yes, they did, and it was a very good media event. We've got to give them credit for doing that.
I would also mention, though, that the Boston police union endorsed Mr. Reagan in 1984 and in 1980 endorsed Governor Wallace several years before that.
They're not very interested in what Democrats have to say.
I think they comprise about 1,500 policemen, whereas the policemen in Massachusetts that endorsed dad are about 15,000, if I'm correct.
And I want to address the whole drug issue. This woman doesn't know what she's talking about.
Cocaine use is way down among our high school students in Massachusetts.
My husband's drug education program was called one of the best in the nation by George Bush's DEA.
And that says something about what we're doing. Crime is down in Massachusetts.
This woman doesn't know what she's talking about by 13 percent. It's up in the rest of the nation.
And we'll be back in a moment.
Dad, which side of this crisp-box cereal is the crispiest, the rice or the corn?
But crisp-box is supposed to be good and crispy on both sides.
Both sides are real crispy, tasty too. But around here, everybody knows which sides are crispiest.
Rice, definitely.
Come on, it's crisp-box, it's crispy times.
Hey, this is not your ordinary mix.
Nope, I made it with crisp-box, so it's crispier.
No kidding.
Michael Dukakis keeps attacking George Bush by saying that he's lying.
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You hate that picture? This is incidentally the first joint appearance that the family has made on television.
We should say that yes, invitations have been extended to all of the Republican entourage,
Vice President and Mrs. Bush, to Mrs. Quayle, to Senator Quayle, to Senator Vinson.
This is the only positive response we've had.
I should say something about all of us being together because we're missing two members.
We're missing my husband very much. And we're missing John's wife, Lisa, who's...
Who's pregnant. Who's pregnant and is unfortunately at home, but she's doing a good job.
Your baby's due in January, is it? Yes.
She's probably watching us right now.
Walter Mondale went through the entire 1984 campaign, appearing on almost no free television.
I don't know if he did Nightline. He may have finally done Nightline. I don't remember.
I see where your husband is... Tonight.
...is going to appear on Nightline. Why doesn't he take greater advantage of free television?
Oh, I think he is. Phil, he's doing that. He's been on many of the media programs,
and he's going to take advantage of them, certainly this last two-week period.
Mrs. DeCaucus, I'd like to know if you ever disagree with your husband on issues and how you handle that.
Well, we certainly do disagree. I think we agree with the basics.
We agree with fundamental values, share most of the same philosophy,
but we're like any other couple who love each other very much and don't always agree.
And I made a decision in the 1960s when Michael was first in politics and we were first married,
not to disagree with him publicly, and I've never seen anything to dissuade me of that intelligent decision in the early 60s.
I assume when Michael DeCaucus, the proud son of Dr. and Mrs. DeCaucus,
brought home a Jewish divorcee with a child, I assume you did not get a standing ovation.
Well, I think if I had been in my mother-in-law and father-in-law's shoes, I wouldn't have been terribly enthusiastic about me.
I assume you feel this says something about him, that he didn't care what the neighbors thought.
I think it shows something about Michael's strength and independence.
His parents were won over soon after his mother was early on. It took his dad a little bit longer,
but they have been wonderfully supportive. They adored, his father adored Joan.
Michael's mother, who was 85, considers John her grandson, and it has been a very loving kind of atmosphere from that family.
I'm a college student at SUNY Binghamton, and this is for the daughters.
Have you been to any of the SUNY students, and is there any difference between what the upstate people think and the downstate?
We've both been to a lot of colleges. We haven't been to the SUNY colleges yet, so I haven't been able to see that difference.
But in general, I've seen a lot of student enthusiasm, just going to schools and seeing kids getting active in the campaign.
I think that's because kids our age are seeing that there are issues that are so important to us
that are going to affect what happens to us in the next 10, 20 years,
and people are feeling like they want a president that cares about those issues.
I also think, I am a student. I go to Brown University in Rhode Island,
and besides issues being important, which students are really starting to tune into,
I think they're seeing that this election is very much about their futures, and our futures as young people.
And one of the things that my father has really made a priority in this campaign is the fact that he is for a better future.
He wants to improve this country. He's not satisfied with the status quo and keeping things as they are.
He wants to do better not only for young people, but for everyone, and that's very important to me,
because I'm going to grow up and have a future and have a career, and I want to know that things might be better for me then.
I also think young people are starting to look at some of the ethical values in government over the past eight years,
and they're getting disillusioned. They want a government that represents their values and that they can trust to obey the law,
and that's very important to people, and I think that that's something that they see in my father,
someone that knows what it is to respect the law.
Are you there, caller? Hi.
Yes, I am. I'm a college student from Boxer, Massachusetts, and I think Michael Patakis is a great governor,
and I would also like to congratulate Kitty on her work with the homeless.
I've seen what she can do, and I'm eager to see what she'll do as First Lady.
My question to her is, what First Lady or First Ladies do you compare yourself with and why,
and are you going to continue Nancy Reagan's Say No to Drugs program, because I know Michael Patakis will say no to Noriega,
and I know George Bush just cannot say no to Noriega.
Okay.
There are several First Ladies. I would never be so presumptuous as to talk about this in terms of being like so many of our very great First Ladies,
but the first one who comes to mind is certainly Eleanor Roosevelt,
and she touched my life when I was 17 years old and chosen to represent my high school at a conference,
and I have great admiration of her willingness in 1954 and in the 40s to reach out and touch vulnerable people all over the world
at a time when women in her position were expected to pour tea and coffee.
I have great respect for Mrs. Onassis, for Jackie Kennedy Onassis, for her work in the arts and preservation,
for Lady Bird Johnson, for what she did for beautification.
Hi. I was wondering what the children are going to do after the election.
If you win, are you going to go down to Washington with your dad?
Well, we've been brought up to be very independent and very vocal about what we think is right and wrong,
and we also feel very strongly that since we're in a political family, I think we even have more of a desire to have our own lives.
For myself, I think I was working at a publishing internship at a magazine over the summer,
and I'll probably go back to that or do something like that after the campaign,
but we've all taken some time off, Kara's still in school, to work on the campaign full-time,
but we're all ready to go back to work after this is all over.
But I also think, I mean, at least my philosophy throughout this campaign has been to take things one day at a time.
We're all working, needless to say, so hard on the campaign right now, full speed ahead until November 8,
and then we'll see what happens on election day, and we'll make our decisions then.
And we'll be back in a moment.
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Big breakfast, is that it?
Pete, lots of luck to you.
Thanks, girl.
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Waiting, hi.
Go ahead, caller.
I'm a first-time voter and I'd love to vote in this election.
I've heard all about what Mr. Dukakis won't do.
I've heard all about what Mr. Bush has done and what he will do.
But I have no idea because it hasn't been presented exactly what he's planning to do for the future of this country.
You think they haven't discussed the issues?
I have no idea what Mr. Dukakis' issues are.
Uh-huh. Do you believe that Mr. Bush...
And most of the people I know who are students with me have no idea what Mr. Dukakis is planning on doing.
May I ask you for whom do you plan to vote?
I would love to vote, but at this point I have no idea who I think is the best man.
What's the matter?
What's the matter with that?
Hold on a second.
What is it?
I just said that it's sad because we have four people running for office here, the president and vice president,
and the majority of Americans don't want any of them because there is nobody talking about issues but flinging mud at one another.
You heard this before. John?
I think one of the problems here is that there's been a lot of noise in this campaign,
and we're not completely happy with how this campaign has gone from our side or theirs.
But part of the problem is that there's been so much discussion about the flag, about furlough programs,
about some of these things that we haven't talked...
Let me finish for a second.
We haven't talked as much about my father's housing program, about his drug education program,
about his education program, his college opportunity program.
Or his job training program or his drug program.
We've laid out in great detail talking about the future of this country.
And I think that unfortunately, unfortunately that din has been covered.
I think there have been some articles in the paper that have covered that.
But unfortunately there's been a great deal of diversion on the part of the other campaign.
Can I keep going back to those issues about the burning of the flag?
He's talking about health plans for the whole country.
Let him present that plan and how he's going to do it.
Don't just say we're going to give you a health plan.
We have. We have.
Yeah.
He has done it over and over again in every city.
Unfortunately 60 or 30 second sound bites have been covered for the most part.
And there hasn't been great detail in the papers and on the networks.
It's been there though.
I just think it's been a media circus.
I think that the issues are being addressed, but what we're getting is the American public.
So it's a media circus.
I think yeah, it might be.
I don't understand. Did he balance the budget or didn't he?
The caller said he didn't.
He has balanced ten budgets in a row.
And that woman who was calling before...
The rep is that he took pension fund money to do it.
First of all, he's the person who started funding the pension.
We've had an unfunded pension for many years.
It's started to work that way.
We have a constitutional requirement for a balanced budget.
He's made the choices. He's also cut taxes five times in the last six years.
Are you there, caller? Thanks for waiting. I don't have much time.
Yes, I am. Just quickly.
One of the things that's driven me nuts about this campaign is that
George Bush has been allowed to define what a liberal is.
I happen to be a liberal and I resent the image that's been painted of liberals.
And it really aggravates me.
I think that Mike Dukakis, who is, in my opinion, a liberal,
should come out and define what a darn liberal is because I'm tired of this.
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Labels are very difficult.
They mean different things with different issues.
On many subjects, my husband is liberal, he's progressive.
On others, when it comes to fiscal matters, he's a conservative.
But he appears to be running away from the liberal label.
No, I don't think so.
I think he's running away from the liberal label as George Bush defined it.
I also think that anyone would run away from any kind of label.
Right, exactly.
Nobody deserves to have labels.
Now, George Bush was called a label by Ronald Reagan in 1960 or 1980 for voting for gun control.
The label doesn't mean anything anymore.
And we'll be back in a moment.
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Mrs. Dukakis, is there any truth in the rumors I've heard that Mr. Bush's campaign is being subsidized by Japanese multimillionaires and others in other countries?
I don't know anything about that.
Yes, yes.
You talk about the issues being health care and education and child care.
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