with Bill Maher, rap legend David Crosby,
comedian Rita Rudner, actress Lori Petty,
and author Bob Knight.
And now, the star of Politically Incorrect,
Bill Maher!
Fabulous, fabulous crowd, I knew you would be.
Well, here now the news.
Uh, wow, that shut them up.
Well, I have to give you the news, that's my job.
People say to me, I watch your show for the news.
They say you shouldn't, but here it is.
Well, the top story is that the State Department says
they are closing six of our embassies around the world
in the wake of the bombings in Africa
because they're apparently not safe enough
and they're going to beef up security.
What they're going to do is they're going to put in
video cameras and huge concrete walls,
and if that's not intimidating enough,
then they're going to hire a sarcastic gay doorman
with a velvet rope.
And that's a...
Now in Washington, this is still on the minds
of the people who run this world, thank God,
who still run this world and are trying to.
In the White House, they had a briefing,
President Clinton did, in the Situation Room
about terrorism.
And then they went to the Oval Office,
which is called the Sticky Situation Room.
Yes, President Clinton was in a pretty good mood
the other day.
He was coming back from Los Angeles.
He was here yesterday and on the way back on the plane,
he gave all his movie reviews to the reporters.
You know what his favorite movie of the year was?
He said, Zorro.
That's what he said.
What a surprise.
A movie about a handsome hero who leaves his mark.
I tell you...
Well there's a further development in that whole
messy situation because apparently now Barry Sheck,
remember Barry Sheck from the OJ trial,
who is the DNA expert, he says,
if Clinton had a vasectomy, which that's the rumor now,
therefore there would be no evidence on the dress,
which is hanging over his head.
So now not only is Clinton saying he had a vasectomy,
he's also saying he was just getting Paula Jones
to sign his cast.
And finally, some big news from here in California.
Did you...
Anyone from up north?
There was a huge earthquake in San Francisco yesterday,
5.4 in the Richter scale.
That's pretty big.
Luckily, there was no real damage or injuries,
although the response team said they did rescue one woman
who claimed she was trapped inside a man's body.
Alright, thanks for coming.
It's all been standardized for you.
Alright, let's be real.
I'm going to give you a little bit of a
break before we move on to our next guest.
Alright.
Let's meet our panel.
He is the author of The Age of Consent,
the Rise of Relativism and the Corruption of Popular Culture.
Bob Knight.
Bob.
There you are, Bob.
How are you?
Nice to meet you, sir.
Well, thanks for having me on.
Sure.
She is an accomplished actress, comedian and screenwriter,
and my old friend Rita Ruddner is here.
Hello.
Am I too pink?
Never for me.
Her films include A League of Their Own,
own and tanker her latest is relax it's just sex lori petty thank you for coming
and a founding member of the birds and Crosby Sills Nation youngest new band
is called CPR also the seat the CD is called CPR the rock and roll legend
David Crosby welcome back okay all right I don't know how many of you have seen
this week's Newsweek magazine but the is the cover story it's called gay for
life which is my least favorite fitness program making a joke but we thought
we'd bring this up because Bob you are the director of cultural studies for the
family research council which is largely responsible for this whole idea that's
going on now that you can cure gay people there have been ads and papers
about this and there are two groups the homosexuals anonymous sounds like a
bathhouse to me but okay and Exodus International and since we don't have a
gay person here on the panel that I know of I will play the part of the gay
person and say well gays are very called a sissy for a girl but I don't think
that counts no that's not close enough Rita but if I try but the gays are
obsessed because converting gays implies that it is an illness and and therefore
they're upset about that because they say it is not and I don't know why it
should be considered one well I'm kind of surprised at the reaction of the ads
because they have a very simple message they say look if you're out there and
you're dissatisfied with this lifestyle and you want to change look at these
people they've gotten out of it you can get out of it too call Exodus
International they'll tell you more about it and we get we get all these now
I happen in a lot of people who have gotten out of the lifestyle in fact I'm
on the board of parents and friends of ex-gays and we deal with it in families
yeah when you were gay and then you're when you were gay and then you're not
anymore do you still like Broadway shows
what I can understand is the hysteria that has greeted this campaign it's it's
a truth in love campaign it's saying look we've gotten out of it we've
gotten out of this behavior we some of us are married as kids they say what's
so wrong with that well a lot of gay people are very offended by it because it
implies you know that it's something wrong with practicing something wrong
with being okay and they don't well there is only there's a great many of us
who are game who think that there is nothing wrong with being gay but let me
ask you something really important biology now if you can help gay people
become not gay could you help mr. Clinton become gay and then save the
country
I mean you could really help us out here I think he has enough problems and we
wouldn't want to see Barney we don't agree that it's a problem we a lot of
straight people and almost all the gays agree that it isn't a problem right and
you say biology this has been a part of my it together been a part of you that
doesn't hold true men and men together women and women fit together trust me I
can show you
you can show me it's really not that hard to figure out no but it's very
unhealthy it's very dangerous it's not unhealthy that's a load of crap if
people love each other not love I'm sorry that's not true I know plenty of
gay people who love each other very much cream and our health a good families
we have children and raised people and are extremely nice very happy you know I
don't think you very talented it's like something wrong with it man it's just
ludicrous you're living back like a Neanderthal I mean well before the AIDS
epidemic right there are more straight people with AIDS and there are gay
people in Africa not in your two men here too there are way more people with
AIDS than just gay people and and to try and say that 65% of the trying and say
that has to do with people choosing to be together as gay it's just ludicrous
the overarching point to me is shouldn't conservatives be the ones who are most
not interested in other people's sex lives yeah and we don't want it forced
on us that's what this is all about what am I taking you on the table man and
putting you down
who's forcing it on you somebody jump you in the shower what boy scouts look
at the boys look at the Boy Scouts of America there they are private group
trying to raise boys to a moral standard the gay activists come along and say
sorry even though this is a free country you can't have your values we're gonna
try to bring the government they said they said you can't fire a guy because
he's gay right and and if the Boy Scouts as a private group ought to be able to
say we have these moral standards we think homosexuality is wrong and if this
country gets to the point where it becomes outlawed even say that horrible
politically incorrect I don't want to keep going on this forever because
you're all alone here and I applaud you for standing up for what you believe it
even though the rest of the world most people at least here you're right
Hollywood you're right we're in Hollywood you're right that's not
never never no that's not true there's a huge portion of Orange County well he's
not outnumbered in our city but that's pretty much it America exceeds beyond
California East and does yes it does and a lot of the ways until you get to the
other ocean and I'm and I love the Midwest more than any part of this
country but I mean they I think if you take a survey would say people would say
homosexuality is wrong right and they don't hate homosexuals they just think
the behavior is wrong and they think it hurts the question because I have never
seen you but they could be wrong no they're not wrong look at the AIDS
statistics I mean look at all the things that happen they gave people it's a
virus it's a virus in the bloodstream well it has nothing to do with a
inherent looking it's transmitted all over the world by by heterosexual by
very similar practices in I think you can get it just by sitting with people
like the same way you got born without got transmitted in Africa to mend and
get together and create not to my mother and father more heterosexual than
homosexual in the world have any in the world but not in this country it's
largely a gay male disease still although drug users are catching up I
have to ask because I don't know you is were you gay before and then you went to
something and then you're not no no but I have a heart I have a heart for gay
people I think a lot of them are struggling a lot of them have gone
through sexual trauma when they were young and they try to help them out of
something that's hurting them but do you really know gay people I've ever met
them because it's not okay but you can I know a lot of x like John Cleese saying
have you met the poor it's it I don't think so I mean you're calling me a
liar and I don't think you should do that because I do know some gay people
well I know a lot of ex-gays and they're they're fine people and I love them but
sure we can I worry about how many guys worry about what they do because I know
it's gonna kill them if they don't stop I got a friend dying of AIDS okay he got
it when he was in the gay lifestyle he's now out of the lifestyle but he will be
dead at an early age anybody in the United States doesn't know somebody who's
died from AIDS man practically anymore that that's not about gay people that's
about a virus it's exactly what I get that virus well by any kind of sex you
get it by any why is it concentrated in the gay community because that's where
I'll tell you why because of high levels of promiscuity because of anal sex
which most straight people don't do you don't know that
oh my part sorry hey I'm sorry you should cut it out because we're not
gonna give you another liver I'm sorry no you can't and you've proved that but
no we need to stay out of people's bedrooms sex is a good wonderful loving
fabulous thing and you should want to have a marriage but you said you should
do that no you said marriage is the keystone of civilization and the more
we get away from it the more problems we have the more children that are
unwanted the more sexually transmitted diseases what about homosexual marriages
it's not marriage marriage is the union of the two sexes so that's a counterfeit
I know a lot of that's legislating your getting together just waiting taste
it's not legislating what you think I would like with no list of rules that
you have because I think I'm doing some things really bad
we're all sinners we're all sinners we're no different in that respect I know
but I could be doing something wrong and I don't know it I have to help you
well that in the Bible you'll find out where the standards are really not
he believes in capital punishment it says in the Bible not kill it says they'll
shout not murder that's the original Hebrew and the Bible is very clear on
the capital never mentioned homosexuality it's not in the top 10
and why is it such a big deal Jesus set the standard Jesus I heard that you sure
that he wasn't how are you careful with who I'm talking about well hey man I
have to face it were you there you're gonna have to face him some day you
should again that's it you seem to want to like impose on everyone else when you
personally believe in that's not a no no no I think it's fair for you to if you look
at it if you look at this you look at this gay activism struggle it was
brought up by gay rights people the the so-called religious right is merely
holding its turf and saying please don't throw out a moral code that's been
around thousands of years and has helped build families but it's okay we didn't
do it for themselves homosexuality predated the Bible because I was gonna
say you mentioned biology and it's been in nature forever and it's been a
tragedy it's been repressed in every civilization it didn't hurt the Greeks
only wrong all right we have to take a commercial
leaving the listener in a relevant to this thick universe with a morality of
his own making I thought it was just about dancing I what why do you have
such a problem with rock and roll because he hasn't listened to any well
as to oh come on I already told you I was one of your fans from way back so
then you must not have been listening to the words man because it's not about
shedding sexual morality my songs have been about love and about politics that's
why I listen to your stuff but a lot of rock is not like that it's nihilistic
it's very violent it talks about tearing women apart some of the rock now is so
what you rap so but you you know rap and rock grunge rock nihilistic rock you
talk about Altamont you talk about when a few people young people don't remember
that's the 1969 rock concert the Rolling Stones were performing and the Hells
Angels were guarding the stage and someone died because they hit him with
a pool cue and you said the moral restraints that his band had discarded
had finally led to murder you're blaming that on the Rolling Stones I'm saying
the the message that they sent out repeatedly was that there are no
standards right and wrong except oh my gosh all right see ya bye I'm just so
glad it's not a gun okay don't open it
just started remind me of the Grammys I've been expecting a delivery I didn't
think it would come right now I've been subpoenaed in the Clinton case I know
that's scared that I have been scared like that since a gay guy hit on me
I can't believe I can't believe you said that why not use Buddha instead of
Christ for a server you know you don't think words Christ or something just use
the word Christ in vain and I wonder why you do that would you rather we use no
wait a minute you just said use Buddha instead what about all the Buddhists
you're throwing a whole lot in this country well I just so happens my wife
is a Buddhist
would you be a candidate to put his name in there you shimmy come on Dave we're
all shimmying I just want you to do this I consider it a compliment that when I'm
scared I go to him you know it's really go to him that's free I don't go to him
because I don't believe in any formal of religion and what I don't think is fair
about you is that you think whatever you believe should be made into a law for
everyone else oh but the gay rights activists aren't trying to oppose their values
why is it why is it when liberals push something into the public square and
when conservatives push back and say well maybe this isn't a good idea it's
the conservatives trying to impose their good idea is not law but but yeah it's
not law we didn't we didn't try to say we want a law that says you have to smoke
pot and dress funny yeah you're saying and you're trying to make it be a law
that we have to wear a suit and be straight-ass and by the way believe
right believing that all Americans can do what they want as long as it doesn't
hurt somebody else that is conservativism I am the conservative here
not you my friend oh no you're not a conservative oh yes I am
sir that's what conservatives in this that's what you are the radical no no
you're a libertarian not a conservative
another delivery I don't know incoming incoming I gotta take a break and get a
Kevlar vest we'll be right back
that's the
all right well that was interesting wasn't we were talking about Altamont
and a guy rushed our stage yeah that's a little creepy right was creepy what was
nobody got hurt right what do you think when his hand went for his pocket I
thought it was a gun yeah I wouldn't be able to see Los Angeles there you are
yeah well look alright it only happened here it's the only dangerous place in
the world yeah no I don't know I wish it were true but right but anyway back to
Altamont now you're blaming this on make stones right and really what happened at
Altamont was Jerry Garcia who was the local rock star recommended that they
have the Hells Angels guard the stage right it was a bad mistake I was there
you were the only one here was there I played there and it was a big you're
watching ABC