If you like hunting, fishing, and the great outdoors, then come along today with Dave Embry in search of the world's greatest outdoor adventures. You'll go all over the world from Alaska to South America, Canada to Mexico in search of the most elusive and dangerous game in the world. This is Dave Embry's Adventures in the Wild. Hi, I'm Dave Embry. Welcome to another Adventures in the Wild outdoor series video. Today, we want to teach you a little bit about archery strategies and specifically how to get started in archery or in bow hunting. Today, I brought along with me my special guest, Jim Daugherty of Tulsa, Oklahoma. Jim has been one of the probably the most famous and noted writers on the subject of bow hunting for many years. Jim, you had a lot of history with bow hunting over the years and done a lot of writing, some feature articles, and some pretty major magazines. I followed you for years along reading some of the stories and getting all excited and fired up about bow hunting. You also run Jim Daugherty Archery in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where we're at here today. You're going to help us show us a little bit about bow hunting and some of the basics of how to get started for the beginner, for the person who just walked in off the street and you see them every day and yourself, people see them every day, and what are some of the questions that they're asking. We want to try to give some of that information to the people and show them how they can get started bow hunting. You bet. How did you first get started bow hunting before we talk about how everybody else does? You're not even going to date me until you've been following me forever. I think every kid starts out somehow or another, he's got a little bow and arrow set. My dad used to make them for me, and he never was a bow and arrow guy, he just would make me one. It was just something that turned me on. I really liked to shoot bows and arrows, and eventually I got a little bit better one, and then bow hunting just kind of, you know, my dad was a hunter, he was basically a bird hunter, but hunting was in my blood, so to speak, and interestingly enough, we started, his buddy and I started bow hunting because we were going to hunt ducks with bow and arrow. That's how we started. There was a lake, I grew up in Southern California, and there was a little lake there up in the foothills and the ducks would come in there and it was close to gun hunting, you know. So we thought, well, we could go out there and we could shoot arrows at these ducks, which was really good for the guy in town who was in the arrow business. We practiced on all the old decoys, shot up all the old decoys, went out there and shot arrows at ducks, never got one. But that's how I got started, I just stayed with it, and then... Well, did you get any ducks? No, no. Just bought a lot of arrows. I was about a junior in high school, and about that time a fellow named Doug Kittridge opened an archery shop in South Pasadena, where I'm from, and I walked in there one day and told him I was the greatest duck shooter in the state, and I asked him for a job, and I started out sweeping floors and spining arrows and counting feathers and fletching arrows and making bow strings. Starting from the ground. Yeah. I stayed with it. I was lucky, you know. I got into something at an early age, and it was kind of an avocation that became a vocation. It's been a lot of fun. That's good. Okay, Jim. What's some of the history of bow hunting in America? How did it really get started here, and what made it the sport that it is today? You know, it's really not that old a sport. Bow hunting probably really started to happen, I guess, after World War II in the late 40s. There were just a handful of guys that were kind of out there. Somebody broke their rifle. Just archery, yeah, some guy lost his rifle. I got to do something to make a stick and string. Actually I think the first bow hunting season in the country was in the 30s. That was in Wisconsin. There was just a handful of people doing it here and there, and it just eventually, it just grew. You know, there's a certain degree of romance to it, and guys wanted to try something different. Of course, equipment then was a lot different. Did most of them come from rifle hunters, you think, originally at first? Oh yeah, yeah. I think so. I think that, you know, even today, I mean, we've got about two and a half million bow hunters today, and back 30 years ago, we probably didn't have a million. I mean, we didn't have several thousand. But yeah, the fellows that come in here today, they're all pretty much gun hunters. They're looking for more opportunity. If you take it on an average across the country, the average gun season, let's say for white tailed deer, is about 10 days. Average bow season is about 60 or even longer. So in fact, I think it really runs about 10 days to one. You can bow hunt over the amount of time you can gun hunt. So there's more opportunity for a guy to get out of the field, and I think that's one of the big attractions to it. Certainly there's some opportunistic attitudes, too, you know. If I can hunt 10 times longer with a bow, then more opportunity to be out in the woods. Obviously, there's that attitude. But I think, you know, a guy that takes up a bow and arrow, he's looking for a challenge. I mean, regardless of the fact that equipment today is quite a bit different than it was 10 or 15 or 20 years ago, it's still close range, slow moving equipment. The speed of an arrow compared to a... Oh, it's 10%. It's, you know, against a, what, a 270 or a 30-06, shooting at around 2,000 feet a second, and then, you know, the fastest bows we got are 225, 250, so, you know, it's not that fast. Sure, yeah. It's basically, I think, appeals to a guy that just really wants to spend more time outside enjoying them, so I really do, yeah. Jim, what are some of the different animals you'd actually been able to successfully take with your bow? Well, in North America, you know, bears and antelope, white-tailed mule deer, black-tailed deer, mountain goats, collie, calvelina, elk, calvelina, you know, a lot of the feral animals like the wild boars and stuff like that. Africa, it took 13 different species in Africa. Cape buffalo, which was kind of wild, it was a real wild west show, yeah. And... How long ago was that you took Cape buffalo? Oh, that was back in the early 70s, really. We went to Mozambique, East Africa, and that was just before the big revolution started. We were one of the last years, yeah, and it was neat. It was a classic so far. I really enjoyed it. Well, I can imagine the faces of some of the... I just went to Africa this past year, and even talking about archery over there this year, the people gave me some pretty strainy looks, and I can imagine back in the early 70s, you really got some looks when you showed up. We did. We did. And we had some problems. There were some people that, you know, had heard that I was over there, and other people had been there too, you know. I wasn't a pioneer, the first guy on the dark continent, but some of the people had been there. And there was some kind of question or concern whether or not you could really do anything with a bow and arrow. Did your tractors tend to want to stay a little further behind you? No, our tractors loved it. Didn't they? No, they had a big time, yeah. They're crazy as we were, you know. That's great. Yeah, we had a lot of fun. Good. Well, if we walked in here today and wanted to get started in bow hunting, what's the first decision of a bow hunter or an archer, and we're not particularly talking about only about bow hunting here, just for the sport of archery, if he walked in and wanted to get started? One of the different types of bows that would be the first consideration, I guess, he would have to have would be what type of bow does he want to shoot? Today, probably 85% of the people are starting with a compound bow. The compound bow has made archery a lot easier for people. They used to always say, well, you had to be strong to shoot a bow, which isn't true, but it was more of a muscle gain than it is now. So the majority of people are starting with a compound, and you know, what we tell them right off the bat is find one that feels comfortable in their hand. In order to shoot a bow correctly or do anything correctly, you've got to get started with the right equipment in terms of fit, physical weight of the bow, how does that feel, how does it feel, you know, does the handle feel good? There's a lot of different bows, and in some respects, they're all kind of like apples and apples, but there'll always be one that feels better to you. You've got a few of those bows lined up over here, don't you? Let's go take a look at the different types. Maybe you can show me what we're talking about. You bet. Oh, you've got a whole rack of bows on there. Oh, yeah, let me show you now, this, you know, we're talking about... What the differences are in the bows. Yeah, okay, well, this is here, okay, this is a long bow, a modern version, if you will, because it's laminated with fiberglass. Ben Pearson's basically made for Jim Daugherty. Yeah, this is one they built for me a few years ago, and they had their 50th anniversary, but this configuration is really where bows began. They used to be a one-piece wood construction, and then they got to where they were laminated with animal sinew and stuff like that. Now, today, of course, this is the same design in a long bow, the old English long bow, if you will, with fiberglass backing and facing, okay, then along came the evolution of the recurve. Well, the Turks had it, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, the recurve. They'd build those bows out of horn and stuff, but today, you know, you've got the same basic construction as a long bow, but, you know, a full working recurve here, when the bow is strung up, of course, this, what this does, this just gives it more impetus than that. So it actually curves back the opposite direction than the recurve. Right. It's beautiful bows. Really, they are. Oh, and super lightweight. Yeah. Now, on these bows, you're typically not getting into all the gadgetry of the compounds with sights and... Well, a lot of people shoot a recurve with a sight, absolutely, I would say, probably at least 50% of the people who shoot a recurve shoot it with a sight. Yeah. The... It's beautiful. Okay, then the transition, see, now we come to the compound, I mean, the bow of today, if you will. Kind of looks the same. I mean, a nice looking, you know, this is a fiberglass, epoxy fiberglass graphite, magnesium handle riser section, so it's metal, but it's lightweight, I mean, magnesium being a lot lighter than a lot of the other alloys, but all the power, I think, comes from this eccentric wheel on the end, and when that is pulled back and it rolls over and it stores all the energy in the middle. If you put it on a forced draw curve, in other words, it'll come across, it goes up like that, reaches its peak in the middle, drops off, okay? So it's 60 pounds, 50% reduction, would say you're holding 30 pounds at full draw. So that's what the term let-off then means. Right, that's exactly right. So you're pulling the weight of the bow back so the hardest pull that the archer will feel is when he's coming back and reaches about half... As opposed to a recurve, that draw length or weight is building up all the way, okay? Your draw length on a recurve where they weigh them is at 28 inches, which is the average nail draw length. Well, that's 55 or 60 pounds or whatever it is, it's 65 pounds right back here. And you're holding that the entire time. Right, the compound, you're holding 30 pounds right back here. So if we're watching the old buck behind the tree over there and he gets walked behind the tree and puts his head there and we draw, and he stops and starts feeding behind the tree... You're gonna be a real tired boy. I'm starting doing this, right? That's right. And so that's sort of one of the features of the compound is that once you draw it back, you're only holding half of that weight. Then again, like we were talking about draw length on this bow, it's the 28 inches, but you can keep pulling that forever or pull it shorter and it's actually a spring situation. The draw length on a compound has got to be really set to the individual. This one's about your draw length, about 28 inches, but if you had one that was 30 inches, you wouldn't get over the peak at the right place and the draw length would be too long. So the number one thing in a compound bow is getting the right draw length, then the weights are all adjustable. How do you determine a draw length? Just come on over here and I'll show you. Okay. What are you doing? Let's see, that's good. Well Jim, somebody who we already knew, I know what my draw length is already, but someone who came in and didn't know what their draw length was, how do you determine a draw length? And you know, it's really important because there's more people that get a bow that isn't correct for the draw length on a compound, that's really important. The best thing to do is to have somebody use a bow like this, it's got to measure, it's only like 10 pounds, you know, and you can have the person come to full draw, don't get right where he is and just read the little dealio. Read this? Yeah. 28 and a half. Yeah, 28 and a half from the wrist down. The other thing is, you know, some guys will shoot with a high wrist, I mean that picks up another inch and a half. But you want to go through, take a guy and see how he holds the bow. You got to tell him where to bring it to because where he anchors is really important. Check his draw length and on a beginner we usually figure, well I'll give him an inch to grow. You know, and so we'll usually start him with a little bit longer arrow and then if you got to cut him off later, you know, it's okay, but that way you got, it's a safety factor too. An anchor point I guess would be the second major point to determine, it's like the rear side of the rifle. That's exactly right. And you say, okay, well he's got to come here, normal anchor point's the corner of your mouth and that's, you know, that's a positive. You got the corner of your mouth and his finger and they're always in the same place, so you put them in the same place and that's your back sight. If you're at full draw and you move this, okay, it'd be just like moving the back sight on a rifle. It changes your angle. Once we get, you know, you establish the anchor point and you've got to concentrate on the proper release. With the fingers, that's just a matter of keeping tension back. What I tell a beginner for instance is you got that finger in the corner of your mouth and some people, for openers, they go, well how do I let go of this thing, okay? Well just start to point your finger and everything's going to go and as you're doing that, you've got tension back. Back tension's very important. You pull a bow with your back muscles, you know, it's not your arms. Boom, just come straight through like that. Follow through release. That's the single key to shooting a good arrow too, is a good release. Okay Jim, let's talk a little bit about arrows. Of course there are a lot of different types of arrows I know out there. We'll talk a little bit about the materials that arrows can be made out of, some of the different types of fletchings that go on to arrows. Let's talk a little bit about the terms that people talk about in arrows, just the weight and the size of them and then the weight versus the speed of arrows when you're shooting them. Well first, today, I mean just, I would have to imagine somewhere around 85% of all the arrows being shot are made out of aluminum. These are an XX75 alloy which is a very, very durable, they come in, right, that's the material, it's a T7075 alloy in which this tube is drawn from and arrow shafts, aluminum arrow shafts Easton is the biggest manufacturer and they make the finest arrows in the world in my opinion. They'll start with like a game-getter, you've heard that, solid green one, that's a softer alloy, okay, a little less expensive and then they go up through that, the game-getter tubes which are basically the same material in a welder shaft and in the XX75s. Now what's the difference between the, why would you recommend an aluminum shafted arrow versus say a wooden? Well, you know, good wood arrows are really nice and good cedar today is getting, I mean the raw material factor is a problem with cedar but with an aluminum arrow, I mean it is absolutely the most precise arrow you can make. I mean the things are perfectly straight, each arrow in a set is exactly the same so they're going to shoot the same and they hold those tolerances, they've been holding those same tolerances since 1949. If you bought a 2018 today, you would buy one that was exactly the same as it was in 1970 or 1960, okay, so you can match them up. So they're straighter, they're not susceptible to weather. They're absolutely impervious to weather, so that's an advantage too. Where a wood arrow might tend to warp on you. They can, yeah, I mean if you seal a wood arrow, of course, you know, with a good dip or something, it's not going to be, you know, real subject to weather but you've still got a problem and you've constantly got to straighten the wood arrows where you don't have to straighten these and these are hard to bend. You can bend them. I mean they're not indestructible but you can bend them, best of all, but you can take one in and we can put it in a machine and if it's not just totally destroyed, like the way you shoot, you know, knocking into trees or something, you know, we can put it in a machine and straighten it. Right, I'll pay a lot of money for straightening. Now this is a particular design here that you've come up with and I know Easton basically manufactures almost every arrow in the country, but you actually have come up with a design for the arrow and the pattern on it. This is the serpent. Well, we call this the serpent, yeah, and it's a, what we did is we came up with a rattlesnake pattern and Easton has a new processor, they call it enhancement processor, and said, hey, can you put this on an arrow and they said, well, we're going to try and it's really, it's been kind of neat. We've done that with several different patterns that Easton builds for us. That's a beautiful arrow. It is pretty, yeah. What about on the face? I noticed you've got two arrows here you pulled out. This one is what you'd call feathers and that one's more what you'd call veins. Well, it's plastic. Veins are a synthetic material, plastic, and feathers are turkey feathers, okay. These are dyed, they come off a white turkey and then the colors are dyed, but I like feathers better. I think a feather is a little bit more forgiving. Veins are probably, you know, more, they're water repellent, they're a little tougher than feathers, but I just always like the way feathers shoots and that's a personal thing. Sure. And then the actual terms, you said a minute ago, you said, you gave a term, you said like this one says 2115 on this arrow shaft. What does that refer to? Okay, that's the size. There are a lot of different arrow sizes. Every bow and draw weight combination has several different sizes that work the best out of it and then you can play some games with that. You can go to, okay, this is 2115 and that means that the OD of the shaft is 2164 and the wall thickness is 15000. Now in a 21, you can get a 2114, which is thinner, 2115 or 2117, okay. These three different sizes that are basically all pretty close to the same spine, but it's a matter then of the physical weight of the shaft, okay. This being a little lighter than a 2117, 2114 would be even less, okay. Let's talk about a little bit about some of the points, the different types of heads that we can actually put on these arrows. I know there's, depending on the purpose that you want to use an arrow for. Over here we've got. The first thing here, look okay, this for instance is a field point, which is nothing more than a target point, same diameter as the arrow shaft, but that's designed the way the same as your broadhead. So most guys get out and they'll start, you know, you've got to practice all year long. Right. You can't shoot broadheads into targets. The shaft is pretty hard on them. So you'll start with a field point that weighs about the same. You've got to get you all sighted in. You've always got to go back and double check your broadheads though before you go hunting because they're not necessarily shooting at the same. Right, fly the same. So this would be good and you can use this basically any type of a target out there today. Oh sure. You can shoot into some of the polyurethane targets or spells of hay or. When you get out and you want to just wander around the countryside and do what, you know, stump shooting. Right. Which I think is some of the best practice there is. Do something like this head called a judo. It's got these little wires on it on the spring. And that head's almost on the ground. You don't lose your arrows. And it's a perfect deal for stump shooting. Or you can take rubber blunts or something like that too. I brought my bow in here. Let me grab it. I've got a blunt with it here so we can show what a blunt is. Most every archer who likes to get out in the woods will carry a judo. Sometimes he'll carry a blunt which is good for doing a lot of shooting with that stump or whatever. And that's basically all it is. It's a blunt arrow. Oh yeah. And it's a good smoggy. Right. Like rabbits and squirrels and stuff like that. I mean you're delivering all that energy to this one little small point. Right. I mean it really is a very, very deadly combination without punching big holes and stuff. Okay. Then of course we've got the hunting head which we'll typically use which everyone's familiar with which is the broadhead. And this is one of the broadheads that I've been using for some of the light and smaller game that we're shooting in North America. And it's got the removable blades. And here you can actually take this. This broadhead can be removed and screwed out. And the blades can be replaced here so you can keep the blade sharp. There are advantages to that. There's several. But one of the advantages is that you can change blades and he's always got a razor sharp head. You have to think in terms of how an arrow works in order to pull it. You're not delivering any shot. Right. There's a couple of hard reasons. Having a scalpel sharp razor sharp blade is a key to that. A lot of people don't like to sharpen heads. You know the old professors they had to sharpen with a file. And that's an art. A lot of people don't like to take the sharpness off. That's the same thing as a lot of people have a sharp knife. Some people don't. That's right. Well Jim also let's talk about some of the different accessories. You know there's a lot of goodies you can actually get into bow hunting with a stick and string and some arrows, right? But I know there are some accessories that go along with it. Well there's some that are really important. Let's just take your bow here and kind of go through it because string silencers, okay? Any bow, recur bow, compound bow, cam bow, whatever, you need to get the bows quiet as possible. Right. And the first place you go is with string silencers. And what they do is they just start to muffle that vibration. Okay. So a silencer. And also I've done something a little different too. We've got a quiver that I've attached to the bow here. What's the purpose of a quiver mostly? A bow quiver is, in the first place you've got everything in one hand. I think a bow quiver is one of the handiest things there is. And what you've got to have is you've got to have one that holds the arrows quietly, solid, okay? So there's no vibration with a good hood on it because now you've got all these razor sharp arrows in here and that's a safety valve as much as anything else. So these broadheads are sticking around. You don't want those hanging around and being carried around. You've got yours pushed up in there and once those things are locked down in the holder here at the back end on this bracket, I mean everything is really solid. And it's a super deal. It really is. It's a real advantage. We've got a thing which has probably gotten a lot of popularity now, of course, is the sight, the actual bow sight itself, which I guess is pretty self-explanatory on its own that it's just like the front bead on a rifle as people are already used to shooting it. You've got multiple pins set up here. I don't know what you've got yours set for, but you know most guys will set them up in like 10 yard increments. So 10 yard pin, 20, 30, 40 or whatever. You've got to be a good judge of distance. So a range finder can sometimes be a handy deal with the faster trajectories. You know you're taking some of that trajectory out of the old arc out of some of the slower bows. But let's say I set mine up 15 yards as my first pin. My second one is 30. Well if I figure something is 20 yards I can just bracket and hold one and a perfect bracket on your side. In most cases a 40 yard pin is about all you'll ever see guys using for white tents. Out west get some longer shoes and maybe go to a 50 yard pin. Now we've done a little something different. I've done on mine here too. To get the most accuracy that I can I put in a peep sight. And what does that do for us? A peep sight forces consistency just like your anchor point. Now if that peep sight comes back and we'll set it up for you and it says this is where it's got to be in relationship to your eye. If your head's in the right place you're going to look on the right to your peep. You've done something different. So the peep's not there. So it forces the anchor point to be an exact same thing. What about, of course it's a big long thing on the front that we're using. What's the purpose of this stabilizer? Stabilizer reduces bow torque. That's probably the number one reason. You get a little bit more solid base in your hands. Some people like them, some people don't. And the distance you move it out of course is just relative to how much torque you're going to get. That's basically what it does. So that's like what we talked about earlier where when you're holding the bow like this if we've still got the arrow on the string as it's coming, as it's leaving the bow it's still here and any of this kind of action here is going to of course affect the arrow flight and this will tend to hold it a little bit steadier. What about the different types of methods we can hold the string or shoot? I've got here probably one of the newest things on the market I guess is an actual release. This is almost like shooting a rifle if you're used to it. It actually has a safety on it. It cocks. Set trigger. It's adjustable for tension, you know, trigger pull. We'll place the string in here, bring this in which actually brings the teeth back across the string. What it does, what a release does is a conventional three finger method. Whether it's three under or one above. In most cases it's one above the nock, two underneath. Well that is the single hardest thing to do in shooting a bow and arrow because you've got to, you know, it's the tension thing we were talking about, getting off the string clean, some guys have trouble one finger at a time jerking or something like that which starts all these crazy oscillations with the string. You wouldn't believe if you looked at these things on a high speed camera how much that string will move. So if you use a mechanical release you've taken all of this distance here, okay, and you've taken it off the string. And on short bows like your bow is very hard, okay, and now you've got a string angle, okay, it comes down like that and your fingers in there and it's harder to do. So with that mechanical release you've eliminated this very, very difficult thing to do and put the smallest amount of pressure on that string as possible. Okay. The release is good. We've got tabs and gloves we can use too. I think we've got a couple laid out. Yeah. This is a three finger glove that, you know, this has been around since folks started shooting bows and arrows hundreds and hundreds of years ago. And they come in, you know, small, medium, large, extra large around your hand. To protect your fingers. But it does two things. I mean you're protecting your fingers from the string, okay. That string is slipping off across there because that, if you shoot a lot you start to get a callus anyhow. But your skin isn't real slick, okay. And when you've got that string wrapped around there you're building up flesh in front of it. There's a big buck in your sights. You're sweating quite a bit. You're shaking a lot, yeah. But that's slick surface, okay, so that lets you get off a lot quicker. Now a tab, I've always shot with a tab myself just because it's not as, to me it's not as restrictive as a release. Now that just sits on your finger and your arrow goes back again in the same spot. A little back like that, and I don't even know that thing's on there. I can do anything with this thing on there. It doesn't feel quite as uncomfortable to me as a glove. But whatever you started with works fine. That's good. And also an arm guard, I guess sometimes we have a little string slap and we use a, we got an arm guard here and it's the same thing there to help protect. Well it'll protect you from the string slap, which if you've whacked yourself a few times you say, well I really wish I hadn't have done that. The other thing is it keeps your clothes out of the way of the string. When you're at full draw, that string is coming across your chest and coming down very close to your arm. So you want to get the bulk out of the way so you won't hit that string again, which is going to cause these oscillation problems. And where you have that becomes important is when you're hunting, it's cool, cold weather, something like that, and you're wearing more bulky clothes. Then even if you don't hit your arm, an arm guard is a good idea. Get that stuff out of the way. Because then you'll be in a tree stand or maybe under, it's not going to be like standing in your backyard practicing all the time. You don't know what kind of position you're going to be in. So you want to eliminate all the chances of your equipment running into something. Jim, now we go out to the range and you show us a little bit about how to sight pins and I'm going to change some clothes and go out there and shoot a few. Do you want to shoot for a coke? How many cokes? I've been practicing. I'm scared. Hey, good shot. Yeah. Well, Jim, we want to talk a little bit now about some of the secrets and some of your hints to setting up your bow. We talked about it in the shop about putting the sight pins and so forth on your bow. Now, that was some quick little points you could give us on how to set it up, how to actually tune in your bow. What you've got to remember, the first thing you want to do is you want to get out here and you want to shoot a few arrows for a group and find out where they're going. Exactly. The biggest mistake people make with a sight is they'll shoot an arrow and then they'll move it, then shoot an arrow and then move it. So you start out and shoot a group of four arrows or something like that and see where they're hit. Well, let's say you've got a bullseye here and you're hitting a 12 o'clock. Right. Well, then the solution is simple. You just move straight up. Okay? What you do is you move the pin in the direction that the arrows are hitting. So if they're hitting out to the left, you move your pin out and your pins are all adjustable. Okay? We just take a wrench and loosen it, move it out, move it in, slide the bar up, slide the bar down. And all you're going to do is walk those arrows into the same group. But each time you move it, you should shoot three or four for a group, make sure that you're doing everything else right. Just like you would if you were to shoot a sight and a rifle. Exactly the same thing. Yeah. Shoot three or four, make sure you've got a good group and take the center of your group, figure out where you're at. If you're high, then just take your pin and move your pin to the arrow. That's right. Move it to the arrow. That's a good direction. Just say, okay, I've got to move my pin to the arrow. Right. Okay, Jim. Now, we had a little bet before we left the office. Remember on Coke? I remember. Let's see who can do it. See that hole right there? In the heart? Right in the heart. The hole in the heart? The hole closest to the hole in the heart. Closest to the hole in the heart. Well, thanks again, Jim. Anyway, I'm Dave Embree. See you next time. I tell you, my shot was up. Your eyes are bad. It was too light. Yours went down and to the left. To a bow hunter or any hunter, the rules of fair chase are a way of life. The pursuit of game for an archer, the flight of an arrow, that's one of the reasons we all shoot a bow, I think. The companionship of your fellow bowmen, your fellow sportsmen. Sharing the beauty of the mountains, the mountain sunrise, the sunset. Those are privileges and those are privileges that belong in a very large part to all of those that hunt.