There was an investigation going on with Lynette, and they asked me to testify against Lynette, the government did, and I said, number one, I wouldn't, I'm not morally built that way and ethically, and number two, there's nothing to testify against, and I said, and number three, you have nothing to take me to court on, so they issued these charges.
You not only went to court, you went to jail.
Yes, I did, and it was a horrifying experience, something that will probably affect me the rest of my life.
What was it like in there?
I went through a, Lyn was in a camp, I went through a federal penitentiary.
And before I was in a camp, I went through several county prisons, they tried to keep me in maximum security, but three days before I was in prison, I was assaulted, I was raped by two men, so, because of my mental condition, and it was because of all of the publicity, and because of my mental condition, they had to move me to a camp.
They could not keep me in maximum security, I was too sick.
Oh.
Well, audience, how y'all feel about this, because I'm thinking, you feel terrible?
Yeah, what, what?
Yeah, but how can you, I don't know, when people give me gifts and stuff, you know, little things are fine, but big, like cars and clothes constantly, how do you feel right taking that?
That's a very good question.
Okay, and you say why, why?
Why, Ms. Hat?
Yeah, I wouldn't dare refuse a beautiful gift, and if it's been paid for, like you said, a tax been paid, why should you be charged double? To me, it sounded like the feds are playing a little game, too.
What were you saying? Let's answer her question about how you felt about receiving all these things.
I felt, you know, there's a real yes and no with that. The man had the money, and he wanted to give, and...
Now, she just said, you just said, she just said the car should have been a no. Is that where you draw the line?
You know what, I drive, I drive.
Somebody wanted to give you, just a friend, let me stand up here, just a friend wanted to give you, said, go to the Porsche store, and get yourself a 924, and drive right on out, because you're my friend and I care so much for you, you'd say no.
You know, yeah, I would say no, because then I'd feel obligated to do, I mean, like, a sexual thing. He'd probably want sex from me or something, and I'd feel obligated.
I sincerely highly doubt that.
You know, I'd be like, no.
I say that it's his money and he can do what he wants, and this girl wishes she had a friend like this. All of us do.
Okay, okay, yes ma'am, yes ma'am, yes, yes, yes.
It may have, may have nothing to do with it, but I'm, I'm curious about this part where they said the man got beat up. Is that why the police got involved, or?
No. No, this, this, this was happened after the, the investigation had started.
And I also would like to say, as far as my relationship was concerned with him giving me things, I more or less felt like I was his wife or something, I never considered it.
But didn't he later, and I'll ask you this, Mr. Lawyer, what's your name, sir?
Well, didn't he, didn't David say, the late, the deceased say that he was paying them, didn't he say it was prostitution though?
There was a statement attributed to IRS. The statement itself, we didn't have, got the court to agree was inadmissible.
It was not in his handwriting. It was at a time that his competency was at issue, and it was prepared by IRS agents who typed it up several weeks after they allegedly met with him in California.
It was our feeling that the motivation could have been to protect himself because in essence he had filed inaccurate tax returns in this instance.
Why did he do that? We don't know because he's now deceased, but there could be any number of reasons why.
To get out of it by filing less of what he gave to him.
He pays less tax. Okay. We'll be back in a moment and also for the first time a woman who faces the romantic swindler who conned her out of her life savings. We'll meet them in a moment.
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Oh really?
I want to eat in my room.
I don't think so.
Well don't come up here, okay?
Where are you going with that hammer?
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Does your mom ever say, why don't you ever call? Mom, even if I call you every other day it's not good enough. How do you know you haven't tried it?
And you know what it's like for someone to say that you're working with Paul, your mom's on the phone? But I don't hear from him. So you think he's murdered?
Well you act like because you gave birth to us, we owe you till we're dead now.
Mothers who feel neglected on tomorrow's Oprah Winfrey Show.
Okay. I just want to make it clear. I'm not condoning what they did. My only point was, if the gift tax was already paid, then what is the problem? I don't understand if the gift tax is paid, why you all had to go to jail.
I don't either. I don't think the gift tax. See, a person in their lifetime has a $600,000 exemption. And Mr. Kritsik, my boyfriend, had girlfriends since his wife died in the early 50s. I believe that he exceeded his $600,000 tax liability and therefore was kind of stuck and didn't tell me about it.
He didn't tell me. So did you assume that the taxes were being paid on those things? Yes.
Okay, so now it's been thrown out of court? Is this what happened to your case? Yes. Total reversal. Total reversal, but you've already served the time? Yes. Can't take that back.
Okay, gotcha. What did you want to say? Well I just have a question. Why were you sleeping with him and then your sister's not sleeping with him, but she's still raking in the benefits? I'm not understanding that.
Raking them in? Driving them in? Wearing them? Driving that? Pushed down the street? Yes?
David, excuse me, David was, I was almost like a daughter to him that he never had. Well, no, I'm very serious though. Kritsik told me this was frank shit.
Listen, you asked the question, listen to the answer. Go ahead. I'm giving you an honest answer and that's sincere. And he, the man, why does the philanthropist give away their money? There are people that do it all the time.
I can't answer that question. He's not here to answer it either. Not only did David give money and gifts to my sister, he also would help out. If I would bring a girlfriend down to Palm Springs, he would say, take her to Saks Fifth Avenue.
He'd say, I don't like the outfit that she has on, honey. Please take her shopping. And it was never a problem. And he'd give her money and he did that with a lot of people.
So he was a very generous giving kind of man. Y'all don't understand that? He helped out our family. Well, let me move on here. I'll let you ask some more questions about this.
But first, when Paula Seton met her knight in shining armor, little did she know that he was charging all the gifts that he bought her to her own credit card. That's what she says. And was even conning another woman while still living with her Paula.
Now Stephen Draper says none of this is true and Paula is just now bitter, a woman scorned over the other woman. This is the first time that they have seen each other in over a year.
Almost a year to the day. Almost a year to the day. Uh huh. And what she said in the beginning about when he left, he left with my life savings. By the time he left, I had nothing left. No credit. I had a AAA credit rating when I met him. Credit cards, you know, with four thousand dollar limits, things like that.
So what happened? Because I thought this was very interesting because this is what happens with people conning other people. It starts out, it doesn't seem like you're being conned.
Yeah, they make you believe that everything they say is true, you know. Um, well, I really only, it started with a rental car.
Okay, did he start out, Steve? We're talking about you like you're not here. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. Did you start out vying her presence when the relationship first started? Oh yeah. Yeah.
I met her in a bar. They was pretty much faced and her and her friend. And she invited me and my brother over to her house. Uh huh. And let's see, let's see, how'd I put it? Oh God, I can't remember how I put it.
But she invited me back over to her house the next day. So I came over the next day. I brought a bottle of rum, a bottle of scotch. And he was paying for all this with bounce checks? No. Excuse me, I think not.
Because at that time I had my MGB. I just traded off, I just got down with the divorce. Uh huh. I had a 71 barracuda. So you weren't paying for it with it? No, I had very much good cash. You had good cash? Very much.
Not just good, very much good audience. Thank you. No, I had a 71, a collector's item, 71 barracuda. And I just got down with my divorce. And I traded my buccavir and brought my down 71 barracuda.
So you were, so the point you're making is you had your own money? Oh yes ma'am. Okay. You're making the point that he was not, that they were bounce checks? He had nothing. He had nothing. But you didn't know this?
No I didn't. Okay. I probably didn't really believe it for like a month and a half. People, all my friends right away at work were telling me, Paula there's something wrong with him.
Because he would tell a different story to each person. But I really did, I fell in love. And I'd been divorced for like six years. Steve, wait a minute, now why'd you mess this up?
Steve, what'd you make that face for? Paula, love, you gotta be joking Paula. Even when I left West Palm Beach, no tears, no nothing, she had a guy, I had a four wheel drive truck that which my other girlfriend bought.
She had thrown my clothes over. Now listen to this, the relationship was over, she threw my clothes over the apartment, which the apartment that I had rented and paid for for her, threw my clothes over the balcony and everything.
So my other girlfriend says, don't worry, I'll pick you up. You're talking about in Destin, Steve, where I did throw all your clothes over the balcony. And the girl, yes. I did when I found out that you'd conned the woman out of the truck.
No, there was no con to it. The girl loved me. She went and bought me a truck, gave me $2,500 cash, she says, just leave the girl alone. Okay, now let me just get this straight.
Paula, your credit card is in the back. When we come back, Steve responds to Paula's accusations of maxing out her credit cards. Did you ever use her credit card, Steve?
No, if you can show me a signature on one of your credit cards, I would love it. And if you ever gave me over 20 bucks in my hand, I would love it too. And think how many hundred dollars bills I gave you in your hand.
We'll be back.
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