I'm out of here.
Ninety-Four-Nine, Zeta, that is Marilyn Manson, Dope Hat, and yeah, we got a bunch of them
right here in the studio.
Bunch of Dope Hats.
They're filming, it's a documentary type, so it's a film crew and they're doing a documentary
on Marilyn Manson.
Everyone who's known him, all the bad things we could say about him, but really, who would
care if you said anything bad about Marilyn Manson?
It's already in his book, really, and most of that, all this film is going to be pretty
much R-rated.
Oh my God, kill God, kill your mom and dad, kill yourself.
It is said that every generation can be defined by its music, and more often than not by the
artist who creates the image.
While some artists play it safe and mimic their counterparts, there are some that push the
threshold and create entirely new genres of music.
These artists are often a shock to the mainstream and cause quite a bit of controversy.
But it is this controversy that gives fuel and gives birth to such rock demons as Marilyn
Manson.
He is not the first and probably won't be the last, because what is considered shocking
and offensive to one generation may well become mainstream and widely accepted to the next.
In 1987, when a freckle-faced kid named Brian Warner started covering the alternative music
scene for a local rag, no one knew then that he would go on to become one of the most revered
and most feared celebrities in America.
He had this attitude that, the first thing that I thought about him was that he probably
got beaten up a lot as a kid.
He had a lot of anger and hostility, but he was a very quiet person.
You know the kind that you expect is going to be a serial killer someday?
You know, you have to watch out for the quiet ones?
Well, he had this innate anger in him that would just be great for writing.
I mean, he knew how to probe and get questions out of people.
I remember he interviewed the Thrill Kill cult back in their evil days, and I remember
Brian coming out of the interview basically shaking that he had never met somebody that
was bizarre and satanic, I guess he called them.
He said he had animal bones and feet around his neck, and he just totally was shocked
by Groovy's hoe look and everything.
I used to let him pick what bands he would interview, and one of them was the Thrill
Kill cult.
I don't remember much about the interview itself, but I remember afterwards he was freaked
out by them.
I mean, they were really spooky people, they were just so weird, were they devil worshipers
or what?
And when you view that in context as to what he's doing now, it makes him look like kindergarten
people, you know?
After interviewing the Thrill Kill cult, Brian may have been shocked and inspired, but it
didn't last long.
In fact, Brian Warner claims that while he was writing positive reviews about bands,
he was far from impressed by the whole scene.
We found a niche, and we kind of got in there.
That's where I first met Brian Warner.
He would get out there and do poetry, and he was writing for a local magazine, and eventually
he came to us and said he was forming a band, and we'd put him on stage.
And we kind of like said, yeah, sure, you know, because Brian was that kind of guy.
I was always like the one into the music.
He used to come to my warehouses and just hang out while I practiced.
He was always into writing, he always wanted to be a writer and wrote a lot of poetry.
He would do like poetry nights and go and do his little thing at a poetry night at a
club or whatever.
Scott was like a master of a four-track, and he I guess wrote some music and asked Brian
to come along and sing on it.
I didn't even really know about it when he was doing it.
He came after they recorded it and said, hey, I got this project, we're going to call it
Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids, you know, and this is my idea of how I want it to go
and listen to the music and tell me what you think, and it was cool, you know.
I liked it.
Scott had all this stuff recorded and he came into the studio and he did it up with a friend
of his, Brian Warner, who actually I guess took a megaphone or something and sang the
parts.
And we mixed it down and we released this CD called The Funnel Zone, which was released
a week after we bombed Iraq.
So with some material to sing and a couple of friends to form a band, Brian Warner was
ready to flaunt his beautiful woman meets serial killer trademark and took to the stage.
I was one of the 21 people who saw them when they played at Churchill's for their first
gig and the first memory I had was that Brian was so nervous that he was afraid he was going
to throw up before he went on stage.
And I kept thinking if he doesn't get over his stage fright, he's just going to die up
there.
But the crowd kind of liked it.
When they first came out, I hated them.
They were horrible.
But I liked the fact they'd get on stage and do whatever the hell they wanted.
First show was with that Churchill's Hideaway, probably 30 people were there, but 30 people
seemed to like it.
I'm Alicia.
That's where Brian named me in the book.
I don't know where he got that name from, but that's me.
I met Brian back when I was about 16 or 17 years old, at plus five.
Round and round and round we go, dancin', dancin', dancin', woo-wee!
Brian comes up in the crowd in my room, and I'm like, fuck you, and I'm like that.
The big fat guy that was the manager at the time came out and said, hey, the singer wants
to apologize.
I said, okay, okay, I'll go back to her, and I'll talk to him.
He was nervous, he apologized, seemed like a really nice guy.
I always picked Olivia Newton Bundy because Olivia Newton John was my first masturbation
experience.
When I was like 13, I was in love with her.
We used to go to thrift stores and buy the nastiest looking disco clothes we could find.
I had just finished cosmetology school, so we went back to my school and we got a whole
bunch of heads, the little mannequin heads that you used to practice hairdos on and stuff,
and we'd just decorate the stage with all that kind of stuff, anything we could find.
Twenty-one people saw Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids that night, and that 21 was enough.
One way or another, everybody in the South Florida music scene either loved or hated
Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids in the early 90s.
Enough to start the love-hate relationship that would make this one of the most controversial
bands in the history of rock and roll.
This noise music, and I don't like it, but it's not my taste of music, but this is, yeah,
they play what they like and it works, and that's often been the case.
I mean, Marilyn Manson, I didn't like Marilyn Manson, but they played here.
The kids loved it and it's happened.
A couple of gigs, a few practices, and already Mr Manson's band was on shaky ground.
I was doing my own band at the time, Collapsing Lungs, with Perry, who was the original keyboard
player in Marilyn Manson, Zsa Zsa Speck.
Zsa Zsa, like I said, never really wanted to be in Marilyn Manson.
He's totally against anything remotely satanic or not really into the shock thing.
He's kind of a low-key, mellow guy.
Hello there.
Perry?
So when this interview came up, you know, he's got his things going on in his life now.
I guess he didn't want to stir up his past.
But it was on shaky ground that Brian Warner would spawn Marilyn Manson.
So Marilyn, why don't you introduce your kids to us?
Alright, I'm Marilyn Manson.
I'm on vocals.
Hey, hey, hey, I'm Gidget Guyne, bass playing, body piercing and skin peeling.
I'm Daisy Berkowitz, guitar.
Hi, I'm Donna Wayne Gacy and I'm into keyboards and I really like little boys too.
I even saw them, they didn't even have a live drummer at the time.
In place of the live drums was a playpen and there was some chick in there.
They were feeding raw eggs like in the movie Pink Flamingos.
It was pretty cool.
They just never had a drummer and at the time, the whole being a band thing was, I mean,
ministry just came out, Nine Inch Nails just came out.
So people were gradually dealing with bands that didn't have a drummer.
But he knew, Brian knew, they had to get a drummer eventually.
It just added.
So I remember they had talked about getting a drummer and it wasn't soon after that that they got one.
And it made a dramatic difference.
I remember the first time I saw them with a drummer and it was really cool.
I mean, it was just a lot more energy.
And I was kind of worried that it would really change the sound a lot and it just, the sound evolved.
Fred, I don't know his Marilyn Manson name, but is it Sarah?
Sarah Lee Lucas.
I was in a band with him before he was in Marilyn Manson and he always had leg problems.
I guess he had some football injury and he had a muscle disease in his legs.
So he had always a problem, I thought, keeping time with his kick drum.
So when after we left the band, Brian was talking about getting Fred into the band.
And I had discussed with him, you know, the problem that Fred had and that he was a good drummer.
But, you know, this would be a problem, I thought.
And Brian, I guess, didn't really think so until years later when, you know, I guess his legs got worse
and he wasn't able to keep up with the Manson standards.
So he was let go, I heard, not too pleasantly.
The decade started with the first human drummer joining the lineup of the Spooky Kids.
And for the Reverend Manson, there was no turning back.
The band attracted a following and from there produced various self-released cassettes,
including Big Black Bus, Lunchbox, and Grist Align, to name a few.
I think they saw an opportunity and ran with it. It's the American way.
This opportunity just happened to lie in Brian Warner's own backyard.
The South Florida music scene was ripe for something new, something with an edge.
Back then, the club scene in South Florida was so different. There were so many live venues.
There's not a lot of support down here in South Florida, Ft. Lauderdale, Miami area.
You know, and Miami's more of a tourist thing. They'd rather go to a house club or a techno club and dance.
They don't want to see a live band. You know, they get more out of dancing and, you know,
rolling, I guess, tripping on ecstasy than supporting a live act, which is kind of unfortunate.
So the stage became the backdrop for the wild and outrageous dramas that set this band apart from the others.
Chicken livers and chicken feet being stomped on on the stage, which was carpeted,
then around the room on the dance floor and in corners and crevices that you could never get it.
And of course, that night, a Haitian crew, cleaning crew for the nightclub coming in and whatever, bad voodoo.
You know what I mean? Seeing chicken feet, they didn't want to mess around.
It was kind of like, you know, trying to convince them it's just garbage. Clean it up. Come on.
I guess I met Brian for the first time at Squeeze when I was bartending there.
He'd come in all the time and sit in the dark corner and just sort of watch people.
It took me by surprise how professional he was. The Easter Show was actually my topless debut.
I had never performed naked before or without a top or anything.
They had me tied to the cross and even backstage he's putting the grease paint on my nipples
and doing the ab cut like he does with the grease paint.
And it was all business. It was all business. He made me feel comfortable.
He could tell I was nervous about being naked in front of the home crowd.
They were very interactive with their fans. They were very creative with their flyers.
They were very creative with themselves.
I know of one show I wasn't there for, but I heard it was some sort of New Year's show
where instead of, say, the champagne toast or the ball drop,
they had a piñata filled with chicken guts that they released upon the crowd.
At times he would go to a butcher shop and get hearts, gizzards and things,
throw them out in the crowd. People didn't know what they were.
They thought that they were some kind of party favor or something
until it hit them in the face or they actually grabbed it
and they found out it was blood and gore.
These one-act plays of gore and goth began to attract several major record labels
and eventually the attention of Nine Inch Nails frontman Trent Reznor.
And in 1993 the break came.
When having dropped the Spooky Kids moniker, Marilyn Manson was signed to Reznor's Nothing Records,
a new division of Itterscope.
I was part of their record release party here.
What was that like?
It was a lot of fun. Marilyn Manson played in the Lizard Lounge.
They did an acoustic set, which included the first version of Sweet Dreams.
Then they had local bands come in and cover their songs.
It was a great event. It was just amazing.
It was a Wednesday night, but it felt like a Saturday or a Thursday.
But when Mr. Manson was not performing on stage with the Spooky Kids,
he was still in the spotlight, pulling attention with his crazy antics both on and off stage.
A couple years ago at the Ambassador Club, the Impotent Sea Snake show,
Brian was in the crowd. He tried to get into the act on the show,
and he ended up on the stage, which they invite people on the stage.
It's a known thing.
But there was a baby carriage that the clown had, which he's no longer with the band.
Brian ended up in the carriage with his ass up in the air,
and they got him in the show, they pulled his pants down,
they shoved two fingers up his ass,
and he went screaming and running out of the club like a little faggot
with his pants around his ankles.
And that's the infamous Ambassador Club story.
It was fun, though.
He'd come by and he'd be there for like an hour or two hours during the show,
and just answering the phones.
He'd get off on answering the phone.
He'd play this character, this really warped janitor,
and he liked to fuck with people.
I was walking down the street in South Beach where I lived at the time.
I saw Brian.
Bastard!
He goes, why come in the studio recording portraits?
On his new album, Wanna Hang Out?
They come up with this idea from out in the middle of nowhere.
They come in, and they bring bags of meat.
I like it.
Take the meat and put it on me.
So he puts the meat on me, put it in, he had a steak on my hand.
You're a fucking bastard!
With hot dogs, two hot dogs in the front,
two hot dogs in the back hanging by the strings.
Nice to meet you.
That was about it.
When we were promoting that show, Brian was drawing these fucking pictures, man.
They were unreal.
He had the fat lady bent over getting fucked by the Dr. Seuss cat,
cat in the hat, with the dildos and all that kind of shit.
He had pictures of all the ambugelard cats.
Yeah, it's all me with the muscles.
He had Dan screaming with the metal fists and shit.
He had Jordy with his cock out.
He had everybody sketched down to a T.
What I was trying to do with the Slammys was recognize the hard music scene.
Now, ambugelard is probably most noted now for being the band that spawned Twiggy Ramirez.
Twiggy got up there, or Jordy as we called him.
He accepted the award.
I believe he thanked George Lucas and Darth Vader
among his many people that influenced him at the time.
I'd like to thank everybody.
I'd like to thank Dan Montana.
I'd like to thank Bob Frankwes, George Macorris,
Chad Steinhardt, Barry Alpert, Sean Rogers,
Darth Vader, George Lucas, anybody that voted for me.
That's it.
I had Mr. Manson present the award for national release,
which I knew Saigon Kick was going to win.
When no one from Saigon Kick showed up,
Brian took it upon himself to invite Jordy up on stage.
This was before Jordy joined Marilyn Manson.
He was still in ambugelard at the time.
If you watch the video clip, you'll see Mr. Manson introduce him as Jordy White.
They get together up there.
They proceed to toss Saigon Kick's award into the mosh pit.
Why would Jordy White accept it?
Because he's the next best thing to Matt Craver.
Does anybody want to smash it on the dance floor?
Unless they're here to accept it.
I guess we're going to have to smash it on the dance floor.
You hit a girl.
I didn't mean to hit you.
Love is on the way.
From the clubs to the Slammys, Manson was everywhere that music was.
And it was during this first year as a signed band
that Brian Warner finally recruited the one band member
he thought was a perfect fit for the Manson motif.
I remember Jordy used to be this little metal kid,
almost looked like a troll.
He used to just kind of wander the hallway like in his ACDC shirts or whatever
and trench coat, always looked dirty.
Man, Jordy loved to whip his penis out and just show it to people
because he was so proud of it.
I mean it was not that there's anything wrong with it.
I'm not that way, but it was pretty impressive.
He was like standing in the hall of the hotel, you know,
and just like pull it out and just like whip it around like it was a piece of rope.
It was nuts.
I remember Jordy was in a band called the Ethiopians.
I don't believe I ever saw them.
They had a little buzz about them, and then he went and joined Ambougalard,
which was the death metal band of South Florida.
Really nothing like Marilyn Manson is now.
They had the hair thing down with the theta swing.
I don't know if Jordy still swings.
Marilyn Manson had emerged, and in a very big way,
the band had everything it needed,
including an image that would soon propel him to superstardom.
When it pertains to Marilyn Manson, I think he evaluated
and he looked at the entire music scene,
and he felt that for him to advance, he had to do something different,
and the vehicle he chose was Satan.
I think he doesn't believe it.
I think he's using it and very well to his advantage.
I think if it was real and he really believed it,
then I think that he's gotten a little sick.
What do you think about all the, do you think it's an act,
all this makeup and Satanism and stuff?
Do you think it's Ozzy Osbourne, Alice Cooper, all of that?
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Ozzy Osbourne, Alice Cooper, no.
Alice Cooper? No, Ozzy Osbourne.
He bit the head off a rat.
That takes a ball.
But this Marilyn Manson, I looked at this picture.
And you see some of these groups can't even fucking think of their fucking names
like Joe Shitting the Ragman and fucking Nine Inch Nails
and all that fucking other weird shit.
See, it's all a farce, man.
That's why I don't understand these religious zealots.
They tell these kids, he's the Antichrist, stay away.
They need reverse psychology.
Kids, go ahead, he's a phony, we're not going to waste our time.
Go waste your money, it's an act.
Then we'll see how popular Mr. Manson is.
More of the Satanic stuff came after we left.
It started getting into that direction and Perry was like totally offended by that stuff.
But Perry, aka JaJa Speck, would not be the last to leave the Manson camp.
No one could stop Brian Warner, because just like his namesakes,
the Manson soon began to find himself surrounded by a family, a family of fans.
And so I shot pictures of them when it was just Brian Tatunik, Perry, Scott, and Brian Warner.
This was my first professional one with the band here.
That was shot in Brian's parking lot where he lived.
What happened with my relationship with the Mansons is once they went national,
they were starting to get a hell of a lot of fan mail,
and Brian asked me to run that for him because he trusted me to handle the money and to respond quickly.
This is the original master copy of the reply letter for everyone that wrote to Marilyn Manson family.
Brian put this together, pasted it all, and I ran it all for him and sent this sucker out.
This was a typical fan letter.
This is the envelope it came in.
This, I mean, part of the reason why I would quit.
This is what somebody sent.
Can I swear on this?
It says, hey, you assholes, what's taking you guys so fucking long to respond?
That was my fault.
This is a letter written in blood by a 12-year-old from Los Angeles, California,
saying he's on Valium and liquor, and when he would get drowsy,
the son would lead the kid down in the basement, and he would hold them down on a mattress,
and you know what I'm talking about, that sort of thing.
This is from a 12-year-old.
Here's another one from Yorkville, Illinois, and this one says, let's see,
may maggots eternally feast upon your flesh and innards, and, of course,
your pleasantly bloated cadavers, and always remember hugs and kisses.
P.S. As you decay and rot among the regurgitated feces and mutilated corpses,
always remember, I love you.
That is how people showed their love to him by saying wonderful things like that,
and I guess you can probably see why I would quit doing that.
Thousands and thousands coming in a week.
I just couldn't take it anymore.
When they asked me, you know, I want to fuck you, I'm like, uh, I don't know about that.
I fucking saw her in the ass.
She loved my big black fucking cock.
He just started fucking me from the behind.
That's bullshit.
I had my time for him to begin with.
Oh, let me put it this way.
Guys were in the room, and I couldn't get his dick out.
Hey, you still have that problem?
You just have to eat shit and die, motherfucker.
I get on top of him and fucking him for a while.
The guys come back and he's fucking me from behind.
Oh, by the way, when I fucking see Brian comes over,
and he's like, yeah!
I was really stupid, but that was badass.
I always thought they were one of the best local bands around.
Anyway, they put on a good show.
Anyone that sets things on fire on stage is okay with me.
This whole thing, this face is Marilyn Manson, actually.
Every time I painted this, they played it.
A lot of clubs down here.
Every time we'd go see them, he'd end up doing this thing,
like pulling his hair.
He kind of looks like a witch, so I painted him as one.
In the early days, I loved them.
I thought they were great.
It was fun.
Back then, it wasn't like they were taking themselves so seriously.
It was fun.
I'd throw cow parts out into the audience
and squirt chocolate on people and shit.
You never knew what they were going to do, and it was kind of fun back then.
I think now they're taking this whole anti-Christianity thing too far.
It's just not funny.
But some people looked beyond his controversial stage antics.
Brian is a really nice guy, man.
Brian is a very intelligent person.
Brian had a plan, and he started with it, and he finished it with it.
When Brian was here, he was a young man.
I remember when he started this band.
I remember when he had chicken feet hanging from the stadium,
from the stage, you know?
But his whole thing is showmanship.
People misinterpret showmanship for being sick or insane,
but it's all about a show.
That's what the young people are asking for.
He's just giving them what they're asking for.
I saw that it was more than just a gimmick.
There was real music going on there,
because my first introduction to them was listening to the tape.
There were songs and ideas and lyrics and concepts.
In talking to Brian, it was all right there.
But not everyone loved Marilyn Manson.
Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids, I fucking hated them.
Well, at the time, it was ambrugelard and thrash,
and metal was coming about, and it was a really big thing.
And here comes this fucking freak, Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids.
And you've got a fat lady on stage, you know,
and a baby crib with eggs being cracked over her head.
And he fucking comes with all his makeup and shit,
and acting all weird and trying to suck dick on stage and stuff.
And it just, I don't know.
I hated him. I couldn't stand music.
It just was not for me.
I didn't like him at all.
But now, I must say, I've got to have some kind of respect for the guy.
He definitely chased his dream, and he got what he deserved.
I mean, very creative guy, excellent performer.
And here I am, playing for Metallica still.
Jordy, stop pulling your penis out at the show.
I can't deal with the police anymore.
I can't be disturbed while I'm sleeping during the show in the performance.
You guys, who am I, who am I?
The fat bastard, John Tovar.
We love you, Jordy.
John Tovar was unique.
The country band the Mavericks that won a Grammy,
their first show was played here at Churchill's.
In fact, that show there was when Scott came up to me and goes,
hey, I've got a great idea, Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids.
It was pretty amazing, and both Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids
and the Mavericks had the same manager, John Tovar, eventually.
His look was one of, I think, Johnny Cash from Columbia, right?
Black hat, black coat, black T-shirt, black jeans, black boots.
And it was Jim Gallagher, how are you doing?
Everybody would do a Tovar imitation.
Everybody.
And the Mansons were just brutal, brutal.
But they were brutal with everybody. It was fun.
It would be funny because you'd go to a show of any of the bands that he managed
and he'd be in the back row sleeping.
It could be a showcase in front of like ten labels.
He'd be sleeping in the back. I guess he was narcoleptic.
He could fall asleep anywhere, anything, doing anything.
At a strip club, he could fall asleep with naked chicks all around.
But in the van, he would fall asleep.
I don't know who did it or why, but they just took to whispering things in his ear,
just fucking with him while he slept.
And for some reason, they whispered vanilla milkshake, and he reacted.
He woke up.
Vanilla milkshake. Vanilla milkshake.
God damn it.
I started singing Neil Diamond's songs, so wake right up.
What's the song that we sing?
Sweet Caroline, dum dum dum.
He's fucking out, man.
The guy had a great track record.
Nuclear Valdez, Mavericks, Marilyn Manson.
He knew good music when he heard it. He had great ears.
That was the whole thing. I mean, he really did.
Any musician in South Florida that's played any venues will know the name John Tovar.
The Marilyn Manson family grew, as did the band's worldwide notoriety.
And anyone who is willing to delve into his graphic autobiography
will learn about the characters that are becoming a part of Manson's legacy.
The book is over-exaggerated in some areas.
Hey, baby, I forgot to tell you about the shower part.
I'm too old for being naked.
Naked is only for when you're coming.
So, I want to wash the meat off of me.
Not the meat that took the meat off, the meat with Scott.
I want to wash the smell of the meat.
Why get naked if you can't come?
Scott comes into the shower with me.
You're not supposed to let little girls play with you, you fucking bastard.
It turns out it was, like, talking a little bit.
And he goes, man, those guys are pushing me.
I'm like, oh, sorry.
And he's just a shy little cute little sweet guy.
I'm going to hit the cameraman in the dick with my thing.
And he's in there, he's naked.
The guy from Manson all come in and they're like,
God damn, when did you get such a big fucking dick?
I'm like, man, you've got a big cock.
I'll give you a golden shower.
Oh, they were trying to pee in everything
and twisted with Amy in the toilet and tried to pee on me and everything.
I got pissed.
I took a roll of toilet paper and I peed on it.
And I threw it towards the camera.
You suck.
You're a fucking bastard.
They took a fish head and they threw it in the shower.
But that was after I already got out.
And Scott was staying in the shower.
But not all of Marilyn Manson's followers
were of the fly-by-night nymphomaniac persuasion,
the sadistic leader of this now world-famous band had a softer side.
To me, the nicest thing about Marilyn Manson
was Brian's girlfriend Missy, who was a sweetheart,
who in those days I told Brian that she's too good for him.
And I'm just sorry that she's not with him
to enjoy all the effort she put in to help him get where he has gotten.
When I first met Brian was back in the summer of 92,
actually at a Beastie Boys concert.
He was there with his first kind of long-term girlfriend
and name withheld, of course.
And he was with her, I was with a bunch of my friends,
and we had seen each other before just because of the music scene and whatever.
And at the show we kind of made eye contact and whatever,
but he was with his girlfriend and I wasn't going to try and pursue anything.
So after the show his band was playing later on that week,
at the weekend or whatever, at Washington Square,
and he was passing out flyers for that show.
And as I passed he made sure that he came up to me and he's like,
hey, you know, what's up, blah, blah, blah.
Here's a flyer for my next show, I really want you to go.
If you can, bring a paper airplane and a bottle of Jack Daniels.
And I just kind of looked at him knowing perfectly well
that I was never going to be able to get a bottle of Jack Daniels,
being that I was like 17 years old, already underage, you know,
for any sort of night club, but, you know,
paper airplane thing I probably could do, but it didn't happen, never went.
So the next weekend after that was the Slammy Awards,
and he was with Jordy at the time, hanging out at the button.
I was there another time with my friends.
Ran into him then, Jordy and I were friends before, Brian and I were friends,
so he introduced me to him and he was, you know, I've got to get your number
and, you know, I'm going away to Tampa this weekend for a show,
so here's my number, I'll call you, and we ended up getting together after that.
And then there were those who would, in the Reverend Manson's mind,
turn against him and pay for it later.
Basically Brian got arrested in Jacksonville after a show.
During the show apparently he had his two-foot plastic phallus on,
he was stroking it and squirted out a liquid onto the crowd,
and Jacksonville is a home for three Christian coalition-type organizations,
they really don't cotton to that.
They don't understand it like we do in Fort Lauderdale, so they arrested him.
I got the police report.
Also Jessica from Jack Off Jail got arrested that night too for something.
Jessica getting arrested, charged, but not convicted of prostitution
with Manson and Jacksonville created a great story for Jack Off Jail's bio.
Any sort of controversy is great press for any band.
So I put Brian's name in the paper along with Jessica's name
because any time someone gets arrested that's what you do.
I still can't believe that Brian got, Brian Hugh Warner got so bad out of shape
because I printed his name in the paper.
It doesn't seem to be a big deal now, I mean his name is in the paper all the time,
but at the time I guess he was still living with his parents in Boca
and they didn't want his name in the paper.
In the paper we called him what he wanted, which was Mr. Manson.
But when you get arrested you go by the name on the police report.
So if you're arrested in a corn shop and your name is Paul Rubens,
that's what goes in the police report, not Pee-wee Herman.
But he thought he was special, he thought that that shouldn't,
he should have a special exception.
So not only, he doesn't call to talk about it, he calls,
he actually has Jessica from Jack off Jill call and say,
Mr. Manson's very mad at you.
One moment from Mr. Manson and he gets on the phone
and basically with his attitude like I'm supposed to suck his butt
like I guess all the other local writers did.
Koretsky was just a fire starter just because,
Koretsky did anything he could just to push Brian's buttons
just because he wanted Brian to call him or whatever.
So he called me up and said not to use his name again
or there would be consequences.
And I said, like what?
And he said that I would have to look over my shoulder
and worry about my physical well-being,
although I don't remember the exact words.
I said, are you really going to do something?
And he said, no, not me, my fans.
I think Brian called him up and left him some sort of death threat.
He just repeated, look, I said don't use my name.
And I guess at that point, I think about it, I probably even laughed.
I didn't mean to be disrespectful to a guy that wears dresses,
but he basically went off and said a whole bunch of other stupid things
that I later put in a column, which really made him mad.
And apparently Laura Werger, who was running his fan club at the time,
said he was throwing stuff against the wall and cursing my name,
which sort of made me happy.
Manson once described his girlfriend as the only person left
that he was capable of feeling any love for.
And through a rocky six-year relationship,
Missy became the closest person to Brian Hugh Warner.
A major part of his personal and professional life,
Missy knew what made Manson tick better than anyone else.
Brian's parents were really funny.
I don't know, I'm sure you've heard, you know,
everyone must be like, well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
It's kind of true.
Brian's mom, Barbara, had these pet mice,
and she was like, well, you know,
I don't know what to do with them.
And she, they were like, not the small mice,
but like rat-size mice, huge, like water rats, white with red eyes.
Anyways, she had this one, and it died.
She didn't know what to do with it.
And I go into the freezer, and I had no idea that this rat had died
or anything like that, because I was just coming back to the house,
and I wasn't living there at the time.
So I open up the freezer, grab ice or something,
and see this big huge Saran wrap ball mess in the corner of the freezer.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, what the hell is this?
Fucking rat that she had taken, dead, wrapped it up,
thrown it in the freezer.
And I'm like, Jesus Christ, Barbara, what?
You can't put a rat in the freezer like this.
Well, you had the little lizard in there, too, and no, no, no.
No.
After I told Brian that, he was like, oh, Jesus.
Always, like, weird things like that.
His parents were really cool, really, really, really, really cool,
supportive, want nothing more than the best for their son,
no matter how fucked up, you know, stupid shit he would pull at home.
But they were really, really, really super cool,
besides the fact that she put a dead rat in the freezer.
I have to say they are a bizarre couple.
Kind of, I guess, the Brady's on acid or something.
His parents were mainstream America.
His father was a businessman.
His father had been in the service.
And all his father and his mother wanted to do was help advance him
to reach his goal.
They've always been, like, kooky.
His mom, recently, I was over at his parents' house.
His mom has, like, a collection of rats.
She wanted to give me one.
She tucks them in, or two of them she has to tuck in.
Two of them can't sleep unless she tucks them in to bed.
Ah, Papa Manson, any influence on Mr. Manson?
I would say yes.
Hugh always had a thing for, like, the younger girls at Brian's show.
Not that he would do anything,
but just he was always the guy that told the dirty jokes.
When we were back in Maryland Manson days,
I'd go and hang out over at his house,
and we'd have a couple girls in the room
and people that his parents didn't even know.
His dad would come in the room in his underwear
and just start talking to us, scratching himself.
He was always telling dirty stuff
and always trying to make everyone laugh
and show off and try and be weirder than his son.
But I don't know. He was cool.
But the Reverend Manson had hard shoes to fill,
even for good old dad.
For now, Mr. Manson was about to face his biggest adversary,
mainstream America.
There were these really, really, really scary times, I remember.
Brian's in this Mormon town where it's all about God,
and in the middle of the show,
he was told not to rip up the Bible like he did
in every other show out there.
He said, listen, not this show.
Don't do it. If you do it, you're going to be fined.
They're going to throw you in jail.
Who knows what's going to happen?
Of course, you shouldn't have ever said that to him.
It was ripping up pages of the Bible.
From then on, it was just chaos.
After that, every show, there was a problem,
especially in the Bible, death threats, bomb threats.
I remember he would call me before his show,
and he's like, well, we got two bomb threats today
and a death threat, and I'm just like, Jesus,
I'm going to get a phone call after the show
and be like, there was no show
because your boyfriend was assassinated outside,
and the people, that's when they were picketing up and down.
They were trying to boycott the shows,
and the Holy Rollers are praying for his life
and this and that, and God save him
and save all the kids that are listening to this crazy music.
And now with the controversy brewing,
Marilyn Manson had come into his own,
but what of Brian Warner?
What was he like off the stage?
His autobiography chronicles
some of the famed Manson escapades in great detail,
but we were able to obtain rare home video footage
which profiles Mr. Manson in a slightly different light
than his carefully devised media persona.
In this home video, we see Brian Warner and his clan
up to their usual antics.
The girls from Orlando were nice enough
to let the band stay at their house,
and when the girls went to get the Manson some food,
well, I bet they never thought this would happen.
Somebody go to town with those underwear right over there.
Let's check out the crust.
Let's find a crispy spot.
Oh, wait, let me back up and focus on that.
Is it brown?
It's totally brown, man. Look at that.
That is incredible.
What is that?
That's another crispy spot.
It's got dirty crotches.
Oh, this one's clean.
Perfect.
Do something to it, though. Rub it on your balls or something.
That is so juvenile.
Okay, okay, okay.
Now the toothbrushes.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
This is the wet one.
This is the way it was.
I was going to do this.
It tickles the toothbrush. It tickles a lot.
What is that?
He put it up his butt.
That's for God damn sure.
He put it up your butt or did you just rub it on your ass?
It bristles it all.
Here we see Pogo trying to get high from liquid paper.
Remember, this is before they sold millions of records.
Oh, whiteout. Are you going to...
Is that whiteout?
Yeah, that's a good stuff.
Oh, do not inhale. Intentional misuse.
This is a good stuff.
It worked just as good, man.
You did it? You did some?
No, I did not. Go ahead and try it.
Yeah, it's good.
Get a load of that beer.
I want to get a shot.
What are you trying to do, man?
Pop can for it?
We've all heard of Brian Warner's interest in porn
from hanging out with Tracy Lourdes and Jenna Jamison,
but we never knew he was into doggy porn.
Come on.
Show me your fucking balls.
Come on.
Good evening, I'm George Wilson.
The house showed its support for President Clinton.
It's a girl?
Oh.
You like that, huh? Look at her.
You like that, huh?
Dog for nothing.
Come here.
Come here. Come here.
Mr. Manson's persona of an antichrist may not be too far from the truth.
The next footage you see may be cruel to some
or just mother nature to others.
Don't stop the camera.
Are you filming?
I'm filming.
His heart is beating fast.
Good night, there's some shit in the corner.
Whoa, whoa, good night.
Get that unfil...
Get that...
It's gone.
He doesn't know what to do.
Get this shit coming out of his ass.
Get it, Mr. Braun.
You get that.
Munch that ass.
Oh, he's got it by the... Oh, look at that.
Oh, look at that rabbit.
When the camera's rolling,
Brian Warner can never be boring.
Kid, boy. Kid, boy.
Get in on that.
Oh.
Here we see the Mansons being spooky
in Spain.
What if I scare the kids, buddy?
If I stop for a laugh, then I'll stand by the box.
What?
I want to go there.
No, don't go there.
Whoo.
Hey, guys.
Whoo.
Whoa.
That's terrible.
Freedom, although it is,
although freedom is an abstract
concept, you want me to face
that way?
Is this for me?
Freedom, as in freedom
of speech,
is an abstract concept.
Cake represents the freedom
and the ability and the freedom
to pursue knowledge and the wealth
of knowledge, censorship,
and limitations on things such
as the Bill of Rights. So that is the dichotomy
of cake and sodomy, and that's what we're
all, well, not all about,
but that's what tonight's show is about.
Going back
to when
Jessica and Brian
and everyone was in the studio all the time,
we were all hanging
out a lot
back when Brian was still like in a local band.
Hadn't been signed yet,
but still trying.
We would take off and go on
these little excursions to Orlando.
We would take off and go on these little
excursions to Orlando.
Drop acid and
get followed around by the Disney
agent police officers
because we were cutting in line
or messing around
with little kids or fat women.
Jordi, you go on that side over there.
Jordi, you,
no, no, over on the other side.
Vanilla milkshake.
Ah, there he is.
Now pull out your dick, Jordi.
Pull out your dick.
I'd like to know you.
Here we see
Brian Warner's more playful side.
Zip it on back.
Yeah.
Can you show me your balls
on TV?
No, because you'll show it to your parents.
No, I won't, I promise.
No, you show it to your parents all the time.
Hang on a second.
Lyrics acapella,
courtesy of Brian's
one-eyed little man.
No,
no dirty movies.
You're going to show it to your mom.
Brian made some funny
crank calls, and here
he and Twiggy are listening to them.
What?
No way.
Even rock stars have to go to the bathroom,
but only Mr. Manson would bring in a
video camera and film himself.
Notice that even back then,
the whole androgynous idea was
in his head.
Brian sees his namesake,
but thinks,
she's really a man, baby.
Mr. Manson paying homage
to a famous demonic statue
in Spain.
Say hi.
Look at me.
I'm in front of the devil.
Say hi.
Hello.
Say hi, Sean Bevin.
Hello, Sean Bevin.
Stay tuned.
But if anyone truly knows
Brian, it's the woman formerly behind
the man. Missy is probably the one
person who could set the record straight
on just about any of the Manson
rumors. The worst thing is
when, you know, Brian's on tour,
whatever, and here I am,
I'm out at my local bar
and hanging out with my friends
and then you get this guy that comes out.
Hey.
You're that girl that goes out with Marilyn Manson.
Yeah, whatever.
Who are you? What do you want?
I heard
that he got his
bottom two ribs removed
so he could lean down and suck his own dick.
Did he do that? Did he really do that?
Jesus Christ.
What do you think?
Well, I don't know. I don't know.
It was those type
of rumors. Oh, and then he was
the kid that was on The Wonder
Years, Paul.
There's a little bit of an age difference
with these people. Do they not know
that? Things like
that just would drive me crazy.
It's like, how can you be so stupid?
After
Trent Reznor's
Nothing label signed Marilyn Manson,
they were not supposed to play any gigs
in South Florida, but having the need
to constantly perform, Brian Warner
created a novelty band called
Mrs. Scabtree.
The whole Scabtree
thing, when everyone got involved,
and I think that was like the funnest
thing I've ever seen.
I think it was the most
exciting thing I've ever seen.
And I think that was like the funnest
thing anybody down here
has ever done. No one else has
done that and been successful at all.
Not that it was successful,
but it was probably the funnest
thing that everyone can remember.
But it wasn't fun
for everyone. I guess they wrote
a song about our bass player's girlfriend
and he
didn't really like it that much.
And being that we were bandmates, we kind of had
to take his side on the whole issue.
Caused a lot of fights, pissed a lot of people
off just because of some of the stuff
that they wrote, but
besides that, it was fun.
People still talk about it now.
Where's the fucking singers? Come here.
Fuck's right.
Hello.
Music
I came to practice one day and it was a big
stirrup. What's going on? We're gonna kill Marilyn Manson.
We're gonna fuck him up. And I'm like, what the fuck's
going on? So they told me the story and
every time we went out, I'd see Brian Warner out.
He'd dodge me and hide and be like
his girlfriend would be driving the car by the warehouse
and he'd be like reclined in his seat and be like, holy shit
this big motherfucker's gonna kill me, you know, but
I didn't go fuck. I thought it was kind of funny.
It almost got me in really,
really big trouble because Brian wrote this
this stupid song about
this one girl, name withheld
of course,
about some
STD, you could call it.
And after the whole thing
they ended up playing the show out and
knowing damn well that this girl was gonna be
out there in the audience watching, listening.
They just continued on with it.
Used her name in the middle of the song, the whole thing.
So of course, girls totally
livid afterwards comes
after the whole show comes up to Brian
and Jordi, where we're standing at the bar
and I'm standing there, Jessica's standing there
comes up, fuck you
can't believe you went through the
la la la la la la la la la la la la la
la la la la la la la la la la la la
la la la la la la la la la la la
la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
Fuck you, can't believe you went through the la, la, la, la, la.
Spits in his face and throws a drink on Jordy.
I'm like the loyal girlfriend, I'm like, what just happened, you know?
So then we, she flies off into the bathroom and of course I go after her, got her pinned
up against the wall, this poor girl, Jessica's just like, oh my god, Jesus Christ, what are
you doing?
You're gonna kill this girl.
So then finally everything stopped and it was just, after that it was like the talk
of the town that almost killed this chick, but it was kind of funny when you think about
it.
If you go back then it's, it was good, it was fun, but pissed a lot of people off.
He didn't write nice things about people at all.
With the press hounding him and preachers denouncing him, Manson was enjoying more publicity
than any other celebrity of the time.
The more outrageous the stunt, the bigger the story.
He had a solid image and many were trying to cash in on that image.
Jackoff Jill wants their music to stand alone.
Even though image may be important, at the end of the day the kids love music.
Jackoff Jill is one of those girl band things.
Jackoff Jill was the female knockoff of Marilla Manson.
They were probably a little crude at a Marilla Manson at the beginning.
They are the most wild women that you could ever want to meet.
They are the true estrus posse, I would call them, most definitely.
I know they're considered to be the female Manson and I guess that's not such a bad thing.
The original line up being all female group, just so perfect and just her approach was
I don't give a fuck about anything, you know, I'll spit in your face, I'll say cunt, I'll
say dick on stage and I challenge you to meet me on my playing ground.
You know, it was just perfect.
When Jessica started Jackoff Jill, actually it was really funny because Brian was the
one that thought of the name and I can remember we were all sitting around over at her old
drummer's house, her name was Tanny, and she was thinking of a name and they're coming
up with this and they're coming up with that and nothing's really working and Brian's like
well how about Jackoff Jill?
She's like yeah, that's it, that's it, that's it.
Well you said the people from Jackoff Jill wouldn't do this interview or whatever, Jessica
I guess.
Doesn't surprise me.
The interviewer.
Excuse me, can you please?
Hey, he wants to interview me in here, okay, can you just give us a few minutes, yeah,
thank you.
Bye bye.
Thank you, bye bye.
Fucking cunt.
They're like fuck off.
When Jackoff Jill first came to LA they came to stay with me at my single apartment so
there was the four of them and me stuck in this two room apartment and it was magic.
I'll tell you about the show at Alice Bar.
There was me and two of my friends and it was one of my favorite shows I've ever seen
and at the end of it when Jessica was covered in blood and candy and goo and what not, I
was entranced.
I was sold right there just like most of Jackoff Jill's fans are at the end of the show.
Jackoff Jill videos on every TV 24 hours a day.
Jackoff Jill all the time coast to coast 24 hours a day.
All I know about Jessica and Jordy is that Jordy supposedly stole Jessica's wardrobe
and created his look from Jessica's look which was actually Courtney's look anyway
so which was actually like Babes in Toyland's look and you know the list goes on but anyways
I don't know about the relationship really I just know like Jordy was Jessica's dresses
and I guess still does.
Now they have Scott ex Marilyn Manson in the band and I'm sure he's added a lot to it and
I think they have a new drummer as well.
SMP came at a great time to help us out.
He recorded on our EP Covetous Creature and he toured with us.
I wish him all the best in his future endeavors.
There's so much like him and image wise that they got to say everything they can to get
away from him.
Please they don't though.
Image wise?
Image wise yes but in the interview.
That's what I said image wise.
Sound wise they don't sound that much like him but image wise they're fucking come on.
Am I arguing?
Yeah you did you fucking argued.
No you're fucked.
Fuck you.
Fuck off.
But while other bands and loyal fans all but worshiped the Reverend Manson the road to
stardom wasn't paved and on the inside it was a rocky ride from the start.
The members of the band that called themselves Marilyn Manson kept changing and friendship
was the price Brian Warner paid each time he decided that someone was on the outs.
I guess he met Brad he used to Brian used to be a fan of Saigon Kick and we'd go to
all the shows and stuff and Brad used to be a Saigon Kick heckler and stand in the front
row and just totally rag him out that they would have to jump off stage and actually
have a fight you know like get physical with him.
So we were out fighting south one night I remember and Brad was out in the parking lot
he just got chased out of the club by Saigon Kick because he heckled him so bad they had
to stop playing and I guess Brian like tried to go over there and fight him I don't know
if they were fighting or what but they weren't friends so I don't know how the whole him
playing bass came about but I know at first they hated each other.
What was his name?
Gidget?
Brad.
No what was his name?
Gidget Gain?
Gidget Gain or something.
Well I replaced him in a band and but it was probably best for him because when he met
Brian, Brian kind of saw Brad he saw the image of what he wanted to represent it was in Brad
I mean Brad was the image of that band.
Brian had the good vision and then he got Scott who could play and play quirky stuff.
Scott was hopeless though.
Well he played.
Brad was the band.
Yeah but he but Scott.
Scott was a good player but image wise he was hopeless.
Brad was the guy.
He was the man.
Definitely.
All right well that's coming from a girl who had a crush on the guy at the time.
All the girls had a crush on fucking Brad at that time.
They had this long haired fucking freak transvestite bass player that all the girls used to love
he was like a cross between like the Spice Girls and fucking Winger and as soon as he
starts shooting up heroin he's like the only one in the band I think that did all these
drugs they gave him the boot goodbye you're gone.
Brad was definitely I think had the Marilyn Manson image which Marilyn Manson was trying
to show like do drugs and be a rock and roll star and all that and that was Brad entirely.
They got rid of Brad because he did drugs but then they ended up like being the band
that like I mean not the band but they're like you know they totally like drugs are
cool.
I remember when Brad was on his way out of the band he got to record on Portrait the
first album down here and he was actually out in LA too but Brian was just like at wits
end with him at that time just because it was you know if he wasn't out trying to score
heroin the night before then you know he was looking for it that day in the studio in these
trampy sleazy women are coming by the studio and you know every day there was something
else and it was like killing Brian because Brad was like his best friend.
Brad was completely like his best friend and he was the one with the style and with the
girls and he was you know Mr. Casanova and you know he was just he was great Brian loved
him and they spent a lot of time together but then Brad was just going down down down
you could tell and you know if he wasn't falling off the stage because he was so high you know
in the middle of a show then it was something else or he wasn't showing up to practice or
whatever.
I remember seeing the last show they did with Brad and I knew it was going to be the last
show they did with Brad I think it was at the plus five he was just he was just really
messed up it was really sad and I mean I felt bad because here he is he's part of this band
that are going to make it and he just couldn't get his act together and so it's like kind
of on the one hand I thought well it's really cool the band is you know intolerant of drug
abuse you know I don't think they're intolerant of drug abuse but drug abuse certainly and
I know Brian was always really concerned about Missy and the friends that she would hang
out with you know a lot of heroin use going on in the clubs and but then you hear stories
about them themselves and so I kind of I don't know what the real story is you know well
you know are they hypocrites or did they fall off a wagon themselves or you know dabble
a little bit or you know you don't know what to really believe.
One time Brian and I Brian needed a ride to go to see Brad and Brad was actually in rehab
and Brian was just like you know I don't think I can tell him that he's not going to be in
the band now at this place you know a kid will just die so they he went to go see him
and what happened was Brian came back and he was just like in tears he was like I couldn't
do it I couldn't do it and he's like you know I'm losing my best friend I'm losing a band
member he's like this sucks and he just came back and he was just like bawling and it was
horrible but you know shortly after that they had like an intervention with him that never
helped and then after that he was out of the band but he's still you know recorded on portrait
he never toured with them or anything but that was that.
Some of the decisions Manson made in the early days are coming back to haunt him in the form
of lawsuits ex-band members who want some credit for Marilyn Manson's success.
You see Brian he's on TV every you know every 13 seconds and Scott helped him get to that
point I mean he played on the first three albums and everything and he's you know the
guy you know he has to drive like a beat up car and stuff I think he deserves at least
you know at least something at least what he's owed I think it's terrible that he has
to go to court to get what he's owed.
Scott in New Orleans was pretty much the butt of everyone's jokes sadly enough but Scott
is just from my point of view Scott's a really hard person to work with I think he's stubborn
he when he has his mindset in one way that's it you know that's Scott's going to do it
that way and he's not going to listen to anybody else he doesn't want to bend and if he has
to bend then it sucks must suck if he has to bend so Scott was just hard to work with
and then once again Brian had it in for you and you started doing stupid shit then fuck
you.
One time in the studio they took a plate full of all Scott's picks and they were all you
know signed dudes with Berkowitz and they threw them all in microwaves set the microwave
like on 10 minutes exploded everywhere picks all over the place and it was just you know
it was hilarious for all of us hilarious and then of course you know Scott comes in what
happened to my stuff well I don't know I don't know how it got in the microwave I don't know
why it melted all over the place it was just shit like that and then Brian and Scott just
weren't getting along at all at all and Jordy was writing half of half of Antichrist anyways
so fuck Scott send him home but then you know when that when it comes to that it's like
okay who's gonna tell him he's fired you know they've got no problem fucking with him day
and night but you know who's gonna tell him he's not in the band anymore which is probably
you know the most important thing.
Manson was no stranger to rumors accusations of jealousy and temper tantrums plagued the
band as member after member was ushered out.
The thing about Freddie was not that he was a bad guy everyone in the band was cool everyone
was nice but if you did one thing one little thing that got underneath Brian's skin that
bothered him for the rest of the day for the rest of the week for the rest of the month
that bothered him so and he would think about that and he it would just drive him insane
little things if you said something that wasn't funny in the midst of all your friends hanging
out then fuck you I hate you go away.
I remember on the nails tour Freddie used to take these like broncolators and it would
like speed that they were speed pretty much you know and it would get him so crazy that
he would just like bounce out of his out of his stool trying to play drums in the middle
of a tour and then finally it was just like he couldn't even keep up anymore it was and
it was just driving Brian insane and then if it wasn't Freddie you know making a fool
out of himself then it was something else and then of course there was always jokes
about Jessica and Freddie and you know that whole bathroom scene whatever but Freddie
wasn't a bad guy.
Marilyn Manson I guess had this tour manager named Frankie he used to be a bouncer I guess
he was a bouncer there a head of security or something at a club we used to play at
called plus five lounge and he looked like Vince Neil without any sleep.
Frankie was I don't think he was ever a tour manager and his first tour that he goes on
is the band's first tour that they go on and which was just sheer chaos I don't think
Frankie knew what he was doing half the time but I mean he tried really hard and it's hard
when when you're friends with someone and you have to be their manager as well and Frankie
goes back to like the plus five days and Brian and Frankie were friends and Frankie was you
know working at the plus five and and I think Brian figured out when you take somebody that's
your friend on the road they're not your friend when they come back and it turned out really
really really bad.
Eventually it was Missy that had to go after six years the relationship ended.
Missy The last trip we went on was to Europe and everything was good out there but yet
I knew everything wasn't as good as it was not that it was like perfect because he was
gone all the time or whatever but coming back from Europe and being out in Europe it was
kind of like you know the signs were showing up here and there and I was just like well
you know I should probably start pulling away from this because I know it's not gonna go
much further.
So then when we came I came back home and my birthday is in December first week in December
and he Brian was coming down for the Rolling Stone Smashing Pumpkins concert.
As you know him and Billy are tight so he was gonna come down sing a song with Billy
at the Stone Show and he's like look I'm coming into town I hadn't seen him for like four
or five months.
He comes down or whatever and I knew that he was like seeing other people but yet I
was seeing other people too but this was like I was going into this thing I'm like okay
either you know something good is gonna come out of this or this is gonna be it but I was
kind of leaning towards the fact that this is probably you know closure right here with
him coming down but yet I was so excited to see him and whenever we went to the show and
after the show there was like a big party and a big explosion between me and Brian because
you know both of us were drinking and all these feelings just you know didn't know where
to go and it was just like it didn't turn out good but then you know I have this mediator
and mediator happens to be Billy and he's telling me you know you gotta just let it
go you guys love each other leave it at that you know go your separate ways but you know
you always have what you had and that's what you always have pretty much and that was probably
the best advice and I knew too that you know this was probably it but I mean we're still
friends I still talk to him you know we keep in touch I always will keep in touch with
him you know I don't regret anything in the relationship at all and I'm not bitter towards
him because of it so why not you know probably I don't think so I mean it's not like I'm
lying about anything he'll just be probably won't give a shit at all you know he might
who knows probably laugh about it say what a dumbass I am but I don't know we'll see
Manson wrote in his famed autobiography that there was no one else in the world who understood
and accepted him as unconditionally as Missy did there was no other girl he would feel
that close to the good the bad the rumors and even more stunning the truth Marilyn Manson's
rise to celebrity status reads like a fairy tale gone awry a rags to riches story with
incidences of sexual and mental abuse thrown in along the way and when it's all said and
done the Reverend Manson denies nothing and blames no one he just wants to be hated for
all the right reasons think that Brian Warner when he brought Marilyn Manson to the scene
did a very positive thing and I think he's continued to do a positive thing I just think
he's being totally misread you know he's making us think that's what we need that's a rock
and roll supposed to be and that's what he is he's rock and roll today for everything
that Marilyn Manson is he worked hard to get there he was the only person in a band in
this town at three o'clock in the morning at Kinko's Copy Center hand drawing his own
flyers a lot of the labels I was dealing with always had asked me did you ever hear a Marilyn
Manson and and I was pretty much like yeah you know that they asked me about the band
and everything else nobody liked them I mean I must have visited every major label independent
everyone passed on Marilyn Manson and I don't know if it was because of their shock value
or you know they didn't take it seriously but now look at them every album they keep
getting new members and he keeps kicking out people and this and that you know if they
piss him off I guess he gives him the fucking boot which is cool but you know he's the one
he's the image of the band he's the one all little kids look up to and jerk off to and
slit their wrists to you know when that Rolling Stone magazine came out with Brian on the
cover you know it's like I knew they were gonna make it but just to see that ain't nothing
gets you richer to get your picture on the cover of Rollin' Stone Rollin' Stone Brian
was always a perfect gentleman I think Brian is to music what Howard Stern is to the radio
shock shock people and the more you shock them the more they're going to listen in his
own way he's a very intelligent person very creative I think a lot of what he does is
completely put on he's playing with the people which is what shock is to play with people
I believe I'm in his book and he refers to me as the mafia type from Davey with the gold
around his neck Brian if you see this or if you hear I make one promise to you next time
I see you I'll put you over my knee and spank you because I think that's what you need hopefully
they can survive physically you know physically is the most important thing is your health
is far more than any fame or money far more important every decade a band like this comes
along for their shock value I think they can have longevity if they change with the times
like David Bowie always did and Madonna always did you know but I think they milked their
original image for what it was worth I think they have to move on now to the next thing
bigger and better things and I think they're going to accomplish that I could see Brian
definitely who's the brain child behind it all I could see him doing it because he's
definitely a shrewd guy and accomplished everything he set out to do over ten years ago by the
time this documentary has been released Mr. Manson will have reinvented himself once again
he has now dawned a more Bowie esque identity and is quickly shedding his anti-Christ image
towards a kinder gentler Marilyn Manson with a new glam look and some breasts he is definitely
becoming more Marilyn than Manson I like all of it I like the stones I like I'm in the
big meal classic well you don't like Marilyn Manson no why you a groupie no no it's part
it's just part of the whole music scene what about things like Joe Jameson and Tracy Blortz
can we not talk about that at all same whatever dignity I have left after this how did you
meet Brian when was the first time you met Brian and you'll say I first met Brian say
that okay I met Brian at the press five tell tell the whole story how you met all this
film is going to be pretty much are rated but this I have for you the band that Marilyn
Manson opened for their very first show it's the goods on 94 9 zeta goes local I hate Marilyn
Manson and the spooky kids you know in talking to Brian mean it was all right there I mean
I knew the kid was going to be a star that's a terrible line don't use that then prep puts
in this video it was a shit eating video how would you like to eat shit and die motherfucker
people were eating each other's shit people were taking a ladder and hammering a guy's
balls down and ripping it off I was sitting there by the studio we're like yeah yeah fuck
off I mean for a band to get their very first tour ever to tour with Nine Inch Nails who
at the time was at their peak you know and open up for them you know I don't even think
they knew how good they had it Brian's book he kind of rags on a lot of people a lot of
them he uses fake names for whatever reason I don't know why he uses some real names
and some fake names I guess he just wants to get sued by certain people I have no idea
I really miss metal metal the fucking old days are the best back in middle school I
used to think Motley Crue's most satanic out there is the most sickest demented you got
a pentagram poster on your fucking wall Motley Crue you guys are going to hell and shit but
then I started liking you know Motley Crue and stuff and they're the heavy thing going
I remember we'd go to the sportatorium and I'd try and dress up like Nikki Sixx with
fucking egg whites in my hair and all this kind of shit I'd black shoe polish under my
eyes and everything and then I was feeling all tough and bad you on Nikki Sixx and then
I'd go there and there'd be all these high school kids they're bigger than me and they'd
be like hey go home go back to mommy with that fucking makeup on your eyes and all this
shit and I almost got my ass kicked trying to be like Nikki Sixx so it was really a real
test of my metal hood to go to shows looking metal and everything else because you know
you're so into it as a little kid you didn't know kind of like these kids today I mean
oh my god the fucking the way they're dressing now you know they're following Manson the
way I used to follow Motley Crue and there's nothing wrong with that I think that's a beautiful
thing at least you know they're definitely struck a chord with the young kids today you
could say that.
Now he's the ruler now he's just you know changing his image just like he'd become
more glam this glam figure like Ziggy Stardust back in the day which is cool you know he's
ruling his own domain but all these little kids are gonna start running around buying
like glitter makeup and feather boas and shit to look just like him and he's got to stop
calling me he fucking annoys me all the time he keeps calling me and leaving messages on
cool tips you know I keep giving him these tips on what's next and what's hip and cool
but he won't leave me alone what the fuck is wrong with him he's one of the big things
right now yeah I know he's I just read it today what do you think about all that makeup
and stuff that he wears you know I mean everybody's got to do what they have to do you know they
do but he's getting way out there man.
Just kidding.
to make the world a better place.
Award. The awards right there. This is for, all right, this is for Missy!
The toughest girl on the back.
And this is how it's done.
She's the baddest girl on the South Florida scene.
Meet her in the bathroom and she's really in pain. Presses you up against the wall. Leaves you black and blue in the bathroom stall.
Missy! Missy!
Missy!