I'm Marilyn Manson.
I'm here because my new album, Mechanical Animals, comes out tomorrow.
The mark of a new age that I'm trying to make sure happens to bring some life back into
rock and roll.
I've just finished, as you all know, the MTV Video Music Awards.
I wasn't very dominated by rock and roll, but I think that by next year maybe we'll
be back on track and things won't be so geared towards R&B.
There'll be a little bit more balance.
I think it's been the music industry, along with conservative America, that has followed
the era of grunge music and made rock and roll less and less relevant.
It's something that I've focused on greatly while making this record.
I hope that what I did is something that everyone enjoys and I'd like to share it with everyone.
That's why I'm here today.
I'm going to talk about the songs and what went into making this record and what I'm
trying to give to the fans with this album.
Hi, how are you?
Carson Daly here.
I'm Carson Daly.
I'm the director of the New York Times.
We've got Marilyn Manson here.
She's addressed the nation and now for the first time ever the nation is going to address
him right back, all live, right here.
We're joined by some of his disciples and detractors.
They've swarmed our studio.
We've taken over Times Square to challenge Marilyn.
Of course, I'll just be the medium guy, I'm not going to challenge anybody.
You guys will have a half an hour right here.
It'll be a heated half an hour, a battle of beliefs, if you will.
Matt Pinfield is out in Times Square.
We're going to check out how the mobs are doing out there in just a little bit.
If you guys are at home and you want to get involved, you can.
888-311-4343.
We are live in New York right now.
Now it's no secret that Marilyn Manson
has stirred up some controversy,
but if you're not sure why,
or you're just too embarrassed to ask somebody,
have a look at this.
Sick.
Crazy.
Out there.
A person's worth is measured by
not only how many people love them,
but how many people hate them.
Over the past several years,
there's been a marked increase
in the number of exceptionally violent.
I think our music is a release of aggression.
Hateful.
I speak about hate,
and I show the reflection of hate.
Racist.
If I hold a little picture and people call me a racist,
then that's what they're feeling inside themselves.
Anti-woman songs that are not only out in the market,
but in many cases are topping the charts.
I think our fans are some of the only few
intelligent people in America,
and everybody else are the ones that are missing the point.
I think Marilyn Manson is adult entertainment.
I don't think teenagers under 18 should be there anyway.
We're gonna shut you down because what you propose
is not uplifting.
It's not helpful.
It doesn't advance the culture.
I think if anyone was afraid of what Mike wanted
at a Marilyn Manson concert,
they should take their kid with them.
Straight from the main stage of this year's Lilith Fair,
here's Marilyn Manson!
That's a pretty, pretty one.
Boy, it hits you high.
Oh, pretty, pretty one.
If you don't love your man.
The award for the most creative way to show your ass
goes to Marilyn Manson.
People gravitate towards sensationalism,
and the media feeds it.
You can either be manipulated by it
or you can make it part of your art,
and I just try and make it part of what I do.
All right.
All right, very nice.
You can keep it going.
Please welcome Marilyn Manson and his bandmates,
Twiggy Ramirez and Pogo.
Thank you guys for being here.
All right.
Well, thank you for coming back.
Thanks for everybody showing up again.
You said that you'd come back around the release
of the new record.
It's nice of you to come back.
Twiggy, welcome.
Pogo, welcome.
Have you had a chance to see back the performance
from the Video Music Awards?
Well, I saw it live the first time,
and it seems like you guys changed it
around the second time.
So I changed the lyrics a little bit,
and we had some special performers on stage,
and it seemed like a little fear.
Like what kind of example?
Well, the second time around, since there
was such a big silly controversy about saying queers on stage,
which wasn't a hateful word.
It was just a commentary.
So we changed it to fags the second time to make sure.
But you guys edited that out.
And we also had the goddess bunny, this very amazing
performance artist that's in the dope show video, whose body
is misshapen from birth, but she's an amazing performer.
I think everyone was afraid to show her because she
didn't look like everyone else.
But I think that's what makes her unique,
and that's why we had her on stage.
That's very cool.
I'm interested to know who your dressing room
was near backstage, because you're
next to these people like Backstreet Boys and Puffy,
all these people that we've talked about before.
You don't exactly, I'm sure, respect musically.
What happened, what was the backstage vibe like?
I was actually upstairs, so I missed the whole thing.
But I learned to respect people on different levels.
I think as long as someone's expressing themselves,
I can't hate them for it.
Yeah.
The dope show, we're going to actually,
let's go back to 1997 to your Video Music Award performance
which we're going to show right here.
Obviously drastically different from what we saw.
As you look back at this, what do you think?
Anything pop in your head?
Well this morning, Howard Stern said that my ass wasn't
as good as it was last year.
But.
Do you agree with that?
You know, maybe for a year, so I'm ready to.
That should mean your ass should be flatter from actually
sitting in the studio.
Yeah.
But visually very different, and we'll take a look right now.
Absolutely very different.
Anti-Christ Superstar was a very pointed album,
and it was a body of work that kind of represented
the transformation that I went through from childhood till now.
And it was a lot of more of an angry record.
And the result of that is Mechanical Animals.
That record changed me.
Writing that book changed me.
And now I have a different look on life.
The numbness wore off, and now I'm
starting to feel things on a different level.
So it's a different kind of record.
And great, mind you.
We've listened to it.
It comes out tomorrow.
Paul Hunter directed the video for The Dope Show.
This is sort of the public's first chance
to take a look at your new image.
Heritage R&B video director, primarily of Boyz II Men,
Missy Elliott, Mariah.
Paul's on the phone, actually.
Paul, are you there?
Yeah, I'm here.
What's up, guys?
How you doing, Paul?
How you doing, Manson?
Good.
It's funny, too, because some people call you Marilyn,
some people call you Manson.
Paul, would you have any reason why you refer
to him as Manson quickly?
I like the way it sounds.
Paul, how did you come to work with Marilyn Manson?
How did this thing start with The Dope Show?
It was funny because I didn't want
to work with him for a while.
And he actually reached out to me.
I was at my production office, and I was listening
to the record.
He reached out to me.
And we talked and got together.
Did you pitch a treatment, or Marilyn,
did you have an idea of what you wanted?
This is a very important video.
We collaborated.
It was a very strong collaboration.
It's Billy Zane, isn't it?
Yes.
What I liked about Paul is that he has a sense of greatness.
Because sadly, rock music lacks a lot of creativity right now.
And R&B has more creativity.
And Paul's videos are all very exciting.
And I wanted someone who could take
the metaphor of what The Dope Show is about,
the alienation of rock stardom, the alienation of drug use,
Hollywood, and to make that into something like this.
And I'm very, very pleased with what he did.
Will you work with Paul again?
Absolutely.
All right, very cool.
And a great job, too.
Great colors.
Paul, thank you for calling in.
We appreciate it.
Thank you.
All right, we're going to take a break.
Up next, the audience is going to have their way
with Marilyn Manson, ask some questions
about the new record Mechanical, Animals, and anything else
they want to ask him.
We'll be right back with more Manson TV on MTV.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you!
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We're all stars now in the Dope Show.
Whoa!
You're standing.
Alright, Marilyn Manson taking over New York.
All in anticipation of the release of the fourth record, Mechanical Animals tomorrow.
There's the crowd outside.
Who's kid is that?
That's crazy.
Coming to a Manson event with your son.
Oh, it's nuts.
Marilyn Manson, Twiggy, Marys and Pogo joining us here and a group of people, a very diverse
group in the room.
I can't think of the setting of this room.
I actually walked in and thought that one of these mannequins was you.
I did too for a second.
I was going to have sex with him.
It's like one of those real dogs.
This is like, kind of like the Springer Show it looks like.
I'm ready for it.
Yeah.
Well, not in a bad way.
I like the Springer Show.
Nothing's flown across the room yet.
A little bite maybe?
You're right.
We've got ourselves in this band, in this group, Christian Roxar, some diehard groupies
and editor of a very popular Marilyn Manson website, Youth Pastor.
We're going to take some questions from them now, starting off with Evan Moore, who I believe
is in charge of the website.
Evan, where are you?
Evan, how are you?
I'm fine, fine.
Give him a microphone, Evan.
I can hardly hear you.
Yeah, I got a mic.
Okay, good.
Your new album, Mechanical Animals, due out tomorrow, symbolizes a lot about drugs, even
in the booklet itself.
Do you feel that the media will associate your album with drugs a lot more than usual?
Well, the album has to do with drugs is often used as a metaphor besides the obvious term.
While writing it and after going through the transformation of Antichrist Superstar, I
began to feel again emotions for the first time, strangely enough.
The more I began to feel, the more and more the world started to look like Mechanical
Animals.
That was the theme that started running through that.
I was studying in my life and in other people around me, particularly in Hollywood, how
we numb ourselves and make ourselves less human and more mechanical.
If they want to attach to the drug thing, that's fine.
That's been part of my life.
It's not something that I hide or deny.
What do you attribute that feeling again?
It's probably worse than what I felt last year.
I think I put myself through a lot of physical pain to make up for no emotional pain.
That's what a lot of people told me in retrospect.
When I moved to Hollywood a year ago, I started to repair myself in a lot of ways.
This record lyrically documents that repair.
Jeff Hamilton is here, an actual youth pastor.
Jeff, what's your question for Marilyn?
Actually, one of the things that I admire about this whole process has been your transparency
from early interviews through these albums, the book.
You're talking about metaphors being in this particular album and a return to realness
and feeling in your life.
What does that cost you then emotionally?
What does that cost you relationally to move from that place of numbness to a place of
feeling and interaction and processing with people in your life?
That's a long question.
Strangely enough, it's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be.
I set out to be something superhuman, the greatest thing I could be with Anti-Christ
Superstar.
What I didn't figure into that was vulnerability was a part of it.
That was something that I was not acknowledging.
I didn't want to feel.
Now that I am, I'm sure everybody's been through it.
It's what life is.
It's crazy.
People love you now.
It's like a rebirth.
It's like being an infant.
Everything's bright.
Everything's very painful.
In some ways, I've gotten back my innocence that I was looking for.
You get some breasts and everybody loves you.
You can't hate them.
Yeah.
Hell no.
Especially yours.
It looks better than anybody else's.
Mechanical Animals also seems like it would entail these people who do follow, and now
that you're aware of that.
It's interesting because we have some diehard fans, Allison and Jeanette, is it, here, who
have carved Marilyn Manson.
I'm sure you've met them before.
Yeah, they're friends of mine.
How do you take to someone who would follow you to the point of self-mutilation?
Is that contradicting your own message of this don't follow, don't follow the status
quo?
It depends because I can't say exactly what they're thinking, but to me, when I look at
them and I consider them friends, it's their way of identifying, their way of being a part
of something because the rest of the world has shut them off in some way.
It's their way of expressing themselves.
I'm not one to judge how people express themselves.
Right.
This is going to be way too nice.
Is there anybody here who's not a fan?
Anybody have the balls to say that?
You're right here with them.
Not you, Pogo.
Yes, my name's Rob Hayes.
I'm a senior at Princeton University, and I'm also the president of Campus Crusade for
Christ there on campus.
I'd have to say I'm not necessarily a fan of your whole message, but again, this was
something that I found interesting is that if in my own intellectual pursuits, I find
myself in happiness and joy in being a Christian, yet you preach that there is no God and that
God does not exist.
I mean, is that hypocritical?
That's half true.
I'm more against the guilt that Christianity imposes, but I think that God exists in art
and there's more spirituality in music than you can find in religion a lot of times, but
I'm not one to condemn anyone's pursuit of God or happiness or anything like that.
I just think that we're raised to feel very guilty for being ourselves, and that's a large
part of what Christianity stands for.
I think there's great and valuable things in the Bible.
If anything, Antichrist Superstar was a lot of parallels with my life with someone like
Lucifer.
Mechanical Animals is a lot more parallels between me and Jesus Christ.
So I've found a different way to relate to things, but that doesn't mean that I'm going
to be a born-again Christian.
It just means that I can find some valid points in your religion.
I don't think that everything about it is wrong.
That's been a huge misconception too since day one.
People thought that you were out there protesting Sunday school.
You've never done that.
I kicked the Sunday school teacher.
Actually, when I was in-
Who hasn't?
When I was in Christian school, I had these things, a man out of a ruler and a rubber
band with crayons, and we were shooting them at each other, and the principal's wife, who
was the Bible teacher, I had it under my desk and I accidentally shot her in the crotch.
So I have reacted violently towards those sort of authorities.
Hence the song Reflecting God, probably.
Great song that I have missed actually.
All right, we're going to take a break when we get back.
We're going to check with Matt Pinfield, who you can hear the crowd out there in Times
World.
We're checking with them.
We'll talk about some of the symbolism too of the new record, Mechanical Animals, out
tomorrow.
More with Marilyn Manson when we get back.
Those cops have the wrong color uniforms on them.
Yes, they do.
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We'll be right back.
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When I saw the doors, I was ashamed not to go out immediately the next day
and do your own gig, you know?
It was a beautiful performance by an extremely stoned human creature.
He had sort of a heady Lamar curls, a leatherette ensemble with a big fluffy shirt.
And he came out at a University of Michigan homecoming dance on a stage only about 18 inches high.
And he refused to sing any of the songs in a normal voice.
So, you know, instead of singing like,
The clock says it's time to close.
Now you sing the clock says it's time.
And he sort of just wandered the stage like a drunk, right?
And it pissed these, hey, you know, I'm the captain of the football team here
and we paid for this and we're gonna get your ass.
You know, there was a real heavy question of can you antagonize us this much and get away with it?
I loved it. I was totally, yeah.
Such a diverse crowd now.
And now it looks like, it's like golf.
We're back on MTV, Manson TV. Golf used to just be like old white guys.
And now since Tiger Woods, it's just this broad group.
The last time you were here, there's...
Don't talk to me about sports.
I know, I know that. I'm not going to make a metaphor.
I'm making an analogy.
Now, now like everybody's coming out to see you.
Like the little kid.
That infant.
Cops.
They love you.
Queers.
All of them.
We're back. I love it.
We're gonna go right out to Matt Pinfield who's out there.
Everybody.
Amongst the crowd.
Matt.
Thanks a lot, Carson. How you doing?
We're here with this amazing amount of fans in Times Square.
We're here for Marilyn Manson. Excited about her being here.
Michael, you wanted to ask Marilyn a question. What is it?
Marilyn, when you become president, who's going to be the first person to give you oral sex in the White House?
Twiggy.
Won't that be a joyous day?
You know, the president's staying across the street from our hotel.
I think that we're going to go over there and see if he's...
Are you really?
I got a cigar.
I have to give him oral sex.
We'll give him oral sex. Why not?
Yeah, what the hell?
Take a DV cam and tape it for us.
Thank you, Matt.
All right, Carson. Thanks.
All right, where's Aaron as a Christian artist who's here?
How's it going? What's your question for Marilyn?
Are you from Striper?
Striper's awesome.
Those guys from Striper do drugs.
I did drugs with those guys from Striper.
Are they not around here?
See what you guys are doing?
No, man.
Striper's not a big influence.
It wasn't for you guys.
It wasn't for Striper.
Striper is the most antanic band ever.
But these works for you represent Striper.
No.
What's you in like you guys want me in? What's your question?
I saw on your new record a symbol of omega, a lot on there.
And I noticed that you alluded to yourself as an omega or whatever.
And all I know of the omega is that God said he's the alpha and omega.
What do you mean by that when you say that?
Very biblical references.
Yeah, biblical.
There's a lot of biblical references still on this record
and a lot of numerological references too.
But the omega symbol kind of represents the final stage
of what was set forth on Antichrist Superstar.
So this is kind of the final evolution of what whatever it is that I am.
Before and after kind of a thing.
Yeah.
But again there is some allusions to Christ as well on this record.
I was looking at things from a flip side.
We've got another question over there.
Go ahead, man.
Your image has always gone through like these changes
and obviously God through art is something very personal to you.
I was wondering, do you see your art going a certain direction?
Is it more spontaneous?
Can you foresee some of the changes that might come in the next two years
or is it just something that comes within?
I think we've really grown as a band
and we're kind of looking at this record as a new beginning,
a starting point.
A lot of people would think that Antichrist Superstar was the most that we could do.
This was our pinnacle, but it's really just the beginning for us.
It's hard to say.
I think we're just going to always kind of evolve.
I'm inspired by what I see around me.
We're going to go right over to Gene.
Gene?
Hi, great.
You have a mic?
Oh yeah, I love your new look.
It totally is great.
Thanks, man.
Everything about Indulgence and Glitter Glam,
I'm so glad it's back and you guys are bringing it back.
But regarding numerology, you were talking about that.
Your new font is using a one and a five,
and then the release date is the 15th,
and there allegedly are 15 tracks on the album.
Can you elaborate on that?
It's also January 5th is my birthday.
I'm going to be 30 this year.
That's half of my age.
And the address of MTV is 1515.
That's right.
Huh?
The number when Marilyn Manson also equals six.
There's a lot of different things,
but if you look for coincidences,
you'll start realizing that there are no such thing as coincidences,
that everything has a purpose.
That's how I figure.
Hey, I just have a follow-up to what this guy, Gene, said.
Hold on, there's people yelling out here.
It is the Springer Show for crying out loud.
I'll make this quick because we don't have much time.
I just have a follow-up to what this guy was saying.
I respect you guys. I think it's great.
You're having your big day and all that,
but there are tons of bands that have been doing this glitter glam thing
way before Manson ever came on the scene.
I respect these guys. I'm glad they're making it,
but this whole rock star thing today is not about unity,
and it kind of sucks because there's a lot of awesome bands,
and there's no more unity anymore.
Instead, it's just this selfish empire for each...
That's all I have time for.
I don't think that they're...
I would lend a hand to any band that I saw putting as much effort
into what they do as what we do.
I've always had underground bands come on tour with us,
and that's what rock stardom is about,
is about self-preservation.
If anybody wants to be a rock star, they've got to try hard enough.
They're not going to get it handed to them.
And you've got to look good doing it, that's for sure.
We're out of time.
Hold on, we'll chat off there. You look good, brother.
I wonder who's your fashion designer?
That's what I want to know.
That's all the time we have.
Thank you. We'll continue this off here.
As long as you wear that codfish, you are.
Version Magastore in New York, you can check out.
We're doing a signing. Mechanical Animals comes out tomorrow.
Thank you for being here. Appreciate it.
Marilyn Manson, put your mirrors in the photo.
Thanks for watching Manson TV. So long.
Hi, I'm Matt.