i mean i guess you are kind of used to
capsulizing in a bit
um is there a way you could capsulize
what brought you to missoula
and uh just why
well for a long time we recognized that
we had information that
was beyond human in other words it
taught how to make a transition
a formula of how to leave the human
kingdom and become a member in a
kingdom level above you but the same
formula that jesus taught you i'm just
going to interrupt you for a second
again
that's better audio okay
okay go ahead well for a long time we
recognized that we had information that
was uh
very important for the human kingdom and
it has to do with
making a transition out of the human
kingdom same formula that was taught 2
000 years ago
and so we started going public with this
information uh the first of the year
to try to make it available to people
and
since that time we have covered a lot of
cities
uh just holding free public meetings to
talk about what we've come to know
um how when did you come to realize
what you were what you now know and what
you're now telling people about what was
your journey toward this point
well for each of us we probably have a
little different uh description of that
um but approximately 1975
the two individuals came and did a
did some public meetings then talking
about the evolutionary level above human
and how it was a real physical place
with many members and that in order for
a human to become a member in that
kingdom they would need to
outgrow and overcome all their human
attachments and desires
or in order to take on the
characteristics of this next level
now when i heard about that i recognize
that
it's something i seem to know it was
almost like a smelling salt
i was in a sense awakening to realizing
that i knew that already and it was just
i was waiting for someone to come and
tell me about it
and so when i saw those two individuals
talk
uh i decided to take a step in that
direction
to see what it would yield so you went
to an actual
sort of session on it and where was that
and did you just go out of the curiosity
to see what they had to say or what
well yes you could say it was curiosity
i felt
a little more than curiosity i felt it
was i was compelled
something but i knew i was not going to
miss that meeting and i wasn't the kind
of person that
normally went to meetings didn't even
watch tv that much or
you know wasn't that exploratory in some
ways although i did a lot of reading
but i went to a meeting as a result
after hearing very little knew that i
wanted nothing else and i was willing to
disconnect from my entire life uh
right away and without looking back in a
sense
and i have no regrets i'm very glad that
i've taken this
this choice and where was this session
again walled port oregon just
uh on the oregon coast all right um what
was your existence like then before
that meeting um well i was in particular
a seeker i guess you could say society
would have called me a hippie
because i rejected a lot of the standard
mainstream ways of living and acting
and i was into music and different
things
building a house and things like that
but to me that's really not me
because i know that my soul is separate
from my body and what i'm talking about
to some degree so that i can relate to
you
is some of the experiences of my
physical body when i know that i am a
soul that had a relationship with all
the members in that kingdom before
this incarnation and feel very strongly
that was 2000 years ago although i have
no proof to that event
was it visions or anything just
a feeling you never had dreams about
things well
a sense of that the information made
uh sounded like family it felt
automatic it felt natural to me to think
in the way
that our teachers were giving us as the
way members of the next level think
and the reason for being even of
becoming a member in that kingdom
made total sense to me even though i'd
rejected a lot of
other religious pursuits and spiritual
paths because they didn't seem
to make sense to me this made sense it
talked about nuts and bolts
kind of reality that i hadn't heard
before so
what did you do then what was your
process after that did you just how
quickly then did you
become part of one of the people that
was spreading the message
what did your family how to react or
your vehicle's family i guess
my vehicle's family that's right uh they
uh
of course i wrote them and told them
what i was doing
and i didn't have any contact for them
for quite a while and then went back and
visited with them and talked to them
quite a bit about
what i'd chosen and they seemed to
support me in it even though they don't
understand it that well
and they may would have rather had me
become a doctor or something
but they do respect what my choices have
been
nationwide um how did this movement
start out as far as the amount of uh
if you wanna say members or you know i
guess i say people for lack of a better
word
um and how has it grown now almost 20
years later
well it's not exactly a growing movement
as far as numbers
necessarily in fact it's shrunk from
it's in
its beginning uh it began when two
individuals
just were invited to talk to a group of
other people
and they told about how they had come
from a level above human how their souls
had come in
and taken over their 40 year old adult
male and female bodies and
for the purpose of talking to humans
about this level above human and helping
even some make a transition out of this
kingdom as was promised two thousand
years ago
this is the return that was promised and
when they started talking about it they
found people
they thought they were just going to
deliver the message and leave but
instead a whole bunch of people
started saying well i want to come with
you and learn what you know and
how can we do this and as a result they
had followers and a result
as a result of that was they kept on
doing more public meetings
to where people quickly were leaving
their lives behind
in the court in a matter of nine and a
half months
most of the major cities had had a
public meeting
and at that point then we went into
seclusion
and where did you go to seclusions well
it was in wyoming initially in a
campground
and we lived in camp ground environment
for a number of years
as a crew and initially there were a lot
of people that
joined up thinking this was a neat far
out little group to
tag along with and you know how it was
fun to think in terms of
going on a ufo and flying to another
planet somewhere but that's not what it
was about
it was about overcoming every
characteristic of the human level
to become a functional crew member in a
level above human that's a real
physical place in your talk you've
referred sometimes as an example uh the
way
another world is portrayed on star trek
how could you is there any way you could
tie in just for a viewer who
is trying to figure out what your vision
is of the next
level is there any way you can point to
examples in that that would
help them understand it if someone who
has like watched that
well star trek happens to be the best
example we've seen so far
of what activity in that next level
would be like
in a real basis in other words they
visit
different civilizations and planets and
they try not to interfere with younger
life forms individuals that don't even
recognize that there is a kingdom level
above
them in other words they have this you
know the prime directive of
non-interference
and yet sometimes they even help those
individuals behind the scenes much in
the way the next level of the kingdom of
god that religions would prefer to
help humans and that's why but it's
but the level above human even though
they operate on spacecrafts the
spacecrafts might not be made out of
nuts and bolts they could even be
biological
and they could work within a globe as
and have very real laboratories where
they
actually take care of the creation and
do a lot of planning and uh and every
crew member works together trying to
do the tasks they're assigned but
without the
reproduction or mating games or or ego
competitions or things like that because
they've outgrown
that need instead they have a need to be
a part of a
bigger picture and they really enjoy
that the individuals on star trek are
i guess you call them to the characters
all come in really different vehicles
some of them look like almost like what
we you know what our animals here
and others look really similar to what's
on earth um is that what the next
level's like at all or what or
what people next level vehicles uh of
course we can't say in all cases what it
would be like but
as best we can tell next level vehicles
are
of human shape but they would they would
not necessarily have the features of a
human vehicle they wouldn't necessarily
have the hair
or as big of a mouth or the earlobes and
ears and
and they may have simpler features and
more
they wouldn't like for instance their
organs wouldn't be the same kind of
organs that a human had
they don't need a reproductive system
because they don't participate in that
kind of activity
they don't need a digestive system
because they get their nutrition in
other ways
but for all intents and purposes they
have eyes and they don't look like the
bar scene in star wars
yes one in like a kind of cast of um
so now
now i guess a lot of literature talked
a lot about let me get it
um one of the last things that said the
representative 2000 years ago
the two representatives who came in the
early 1970s and their students from that
yield
and the present one all came and will
leave in spacecrafts or clouds of light
what does that mean does that mean they
actually will
what does that mean well we feel like
the souls
that incarnated in these vehicles
actually came from the next level
in a spacecraft and that's and
that's how we'll leave is in a
spacecraft a physical
literal spacecraft has anyone left yet
in one
no no no okay and um
will it look like a actual what we have
an idea of spacecraft looking like
we don't really know
we suspect that it will have some form
of shape that
looks like that i guess typical ufo and
spacecraft but we don't really know what
they're going to look like
all right and um when do you expect that
to happen or did you
well do you ever know or oh we hope soon
but
we really don't know
we just have no no way of of knowing
when it's going to happen but
we we do feel that it's going to be soon
whether it's in you know months or
a couple of years or five or six years
we just don't know
and will that when that does happen is
that tied directly to
to this actual level now does that mean
this level will be
all over we don't know whether we're
going to leave before the
end of this actual civilization we kind
of feel like that
the usefulness of this planet in terms
of a garden for
growing souls or for growing
vehicles that can souls can use has been
has reached its its peak and that kind
of like a tree that has
the fruit has ripened then the tree is
is of
no more value after the fruit is picked
and so we kind of feel that this is the
end
times for this planet and as far as our
departure we don't really know whether
we're going to depart
with that end or whether our departure
will be before it or
somewhere in between or anything like
that
and
see i had written down something before
i came
you've talked a lot about i guess
luciferians
and it's these luciferians you would
mention that they can take on any kind
of form
and they abduct humans for genetic
experimentation how do they do all this
and then everything that they do how are
there any examples that
you see in our current
state today that there's been a lot of
reports and that it's now
becoming a i guess more news worthy
about
ufo abductions and you can almost read
in pretty much any newspaper at times
about ufo abductions and
humans actually being abducted and taken
on on
board a spacecraft and genetic
experimentation being done they might
take samples from
these humans and we feel like that the
reason
that that occurs is because these
luciferians which
we call them they're simply from another
camp they're from the
camp that at one time lucifer was a
member of the
next level and he was kicked out and so
now
he needs to replenish his
the bodies that he wears the bodies that
he wears and the bodies that
are worn by members that are following
after him
are degenerating they they're not
eternal so he has to replenish those
bodies and he does it
by finding humans and using the genes
as a gene pool to
do a hybrid uh genetic manipulation if
you will
and possibly be able to create another
vehicle that
can be usable by him can you point to
any examples in our current
times now that rory's done that well
there's a lot of examples i guess in a
lot of different
reports of ufo abductions there's a lot
of abduction cases
that are coming to light there's a guy i
don't know his name mack i think has
done a lot of research
with ufo abductees so
there is a lot of material that's
available for those who are interested
in pursuing it
um can i ask you just about your own
personal
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journey toward this how did you become
involved
and what did you move on from
well this vehicle learned about it
because of
what happened in 1975 19 i guess october
1975 i heard a
news report on the radio that was
talking about two witnesses who
came from the kingdom of heaven and who
are planning to leave in a ufo and
like sawyer my response to it was
it was familiar it was it did something
that
i felt like was i had known before
and i couldn't wait until i
made a connection with the individuals
who were
who are saying that did you two then go
to one of the public meetings
i went to a public meeting that was in
uh
october of 1975 at
tilden park it was behind oakland
in california and i was immediately
became aware that this was something
that i had to do that
it was uh this was why i was here
is that i had to pursue this information
what was your existence like that before
that what did you do before you came to
that were you
this vehicle was involved in a business
a computer business that it had
and just a typical human life
and had you know families and
participated in pretty much everything
that everybody else does
and did have children and stuff or how
do you break that connection yourself
that one for
so many years you were building up a
connection and feeling that you had
the connection with these other vehicles
who were you know your family at that
time
is that a difficult thing to uh well
to turn off it or to move on from or so
recognizing there's a difference between
this vehicle and the soul that is moving
into it
and that there were things that the
vehicle was attached to that it had to
sever
and certainly it was painful for the
vehicle at times but
as a soul moving into it there was still
that recognition that
my family is really the ones that are
from the next level and these here who
are part of the
the crew who are doing this at this time
okay um and should we move on to another
person
to describe some of the i'll just ask
you all stuff and i just want to get an
idea of everyone how they came to
realize it and
what they moved on from um how did you
come to become part of this
arrive at this point well i attended a
meeting
at la cana la canada college and
which is north of san francisco
in late august 1975
and recognized
at that time that it was the the truth
that it was what i've been looking for
and
that i had to act on it i know when i
was
when my vehicle was young it when
people would ask it what what it wanted
to be when it grew up
i couldn't really zero in not too much
on what i wanted to be
except i knew i wanted to keep learning
and keep
learning and growing and that was the
main thing i had in my mind
and this information when it came
opened that possibility because
all all along the way the truth
and information and learning is
an unending path an unending
opportunity to learn so that's what it
meant to me
and what was your vehicle doing then was
it working did it have a family or
what was its uh existence like before
you
that summer of 75 well it's interesting
when
a vehicle is getting
it when this information comes to one
and you're about to be presented with
the opportunity
that's the way we sometimes say it so um
the things that i have been in my life
begin
to uh change and uh
for instance uh this the home life that
i had
changed so that i went up north
and did some activity and some tree
planting and
decided it was time to come back and i
feel like that
i was being drawn to the opportunity to
hear this information
and came back to the bay area where i
had i had at that time was had already
given up a
house and that kind of thing i was
living out of the
international metro bank okay which was
kind of like a turtle
dragging around all my belongings
and um so did you immediately embrace it
or did you
did it take a little bit of searching
for you to realize
to go ahead and join and take up what
you
thought you should have always i had to
wait for the follow-up meeting
and then the next day to give away some
possessions and to find a place for the
vehicle's
offspring to stay and that was maybe
three days
and for the vehicle's offspring uh can
the vehicle have contact with it or
did all the ties need to be severed or
you mentioned that you were
established sometimes with your with the
vehicle's
family is it the same for everyone or
does everyone follow sort of a different
pattern
well it's easier for those that are left
behind
in a way that they don't that we don't
have an
ongoing as well as it's important for
our growth
but it's easier for those who are left
in the world
to go ahead and move on with their lives
so
in a way i think that's been the pattern
for most of us
to let that the past
go you know the the people that have
been
our past to go on with their lives and
the contact we have is from time to time
to help them
feel good about what we're doing and to
let them know that we're doing well
most of people do do maintain some sort
of content are they
now a separate a separate entity or they
also
should they also um are they also just
vehicles too or no are are you
well maybe more the people who are
preparing for them or what
is there a difference or are we all in
this
movement or is everyone really a vehicle
and they just haven't
come to realize it yet or they don't
admit it yet or
do you mean the humans on the planet
yeah is there differences between all of
us or should we all
really be doing what you are doing well
we really don't feel
like what we're doing is for everyone
but those
who who recognize this is the truth
and it rings a bell it strikes the cord
it puts all the pieces together those
are the kind of thoughts that come into
them and they say
this is something i have to act on then
those are the people that
likely have what we call a deposit a
little
gift of recognition of what the truth is
so that when it comes their way they're
able to recognize it
and it means so much to them that it
means
more than anything of the human realm
and they
want more than anything to to
work towards doing this to attack the
task so to speak to go ahead and
move forward with it have we all lived
2000 years ago or no
um we wouldn't say no we would say that
that's not the case there's some of us
who are here who have reincarnated for
the express purpose
of completing a task of overcoming or
taking control
of learning how to operate a human
vehicle in order to be ready to
operate a more operate a more
sophisticated
vehicle in the kingdom level above human
so for those who don't have that gift or
that kind of calling that you're all
responding to
what happens to them well that depends
and we certainly
can't say it depends on each individual
it's not
you know bunches of people but
if an individual is looking
towards the truth and recognizes it
and does all he can at this at
his own level to seek it then
uh what we say is that individual will
be
set aside or saved for another
opportunity in a garden planet
in a civilization where a
representative comes and that individual
can work on overcoming
a vehicle and learning the ways of
behaving in that next kingdom level in
order to become
a member there so does that mean like
that other civilizations are existing
right now
in addition to planet earth or
speculation
we really don't know that but we do have
the feeling that this is
a rare this planet is rather rare
kind of circumstance because we know
that
we feel our understanding is that
many space aliens are coming from all
over the heavens
to the end of this age here and are
doing what they can to
take their part of the harvest
okay um someone else i want to explain
more just about the
the dress and the go ahead i notice that
there are a lot of things that
you all seem to be uniform with
rings and the matter of dressing um
what's the significance of all this
well uh part of our overcoming is uh
we try not to appear uh accentuated
exactly opposite um
the body is insignificant to us so
we try to dress as
modestly as we can and
covering up certain areas just so the
shapes of the bodies aren't shown and
we don't attract anything and nothing is
attracted to us
uh we wear rings because um twofold in
the world
uh it's kind of a sign that we're not
available
and but more importantly it's it's a
symbol of our commitment to to this task
and to
uh the uh the job that we're doing of
our overcoming and to our creator
nationwide how large
is the group that is going to different
and and how exactly does it work
what do you how do you pay for the room
that and you're able to hold the
meetings in
um what's your lifestyle like or what's
the vehicle's lifestyle
like well uh it's like a typical week
well everything we do is we look to our
heavenly father or you know the next
level
uh we trust them and we know that
everything is in control
and we are led to
individuals and we to ask for help or
and it's not because we really need the
help it's actually to give them the
opportunity to help us
and it's kind of like a star in their
crown so to speak if they
recognize us enough to want to help us
so is it is it is that donations are
people
helping or like for something like this
like your visit to missoula
how would you manage that well we have
basic needs
food lodging gas that's all we are we
need so
that's what we do is we just ask for be
led to those who can help us in those
areas and
you know one day we could go to one
place and ask for one thing and the next
day to ask
for something else just depends on where
we led
and how did you get i managed in
missoula
we felt that we we were led to come here
that
in a sense we discussed it and it felt
good to us to come here
and how have you how have your needs
been met here where did you where you
would you eat how do you eat how do you
um do you travel in regular cars or we
drive oh sure we have
when we when we left we had you know
cars and
camping gear and things like that
you know it's unfortunate but the
churches
and especially in this town we feel like
they've kind of shunned their
responsibility for the most part
they will refer you to go to some
alliance of some kind and i don't think
that
when jesus came two thousand years ago
i don't think that was his plan for the
churches if he if he ever wanted to have
a church
named after him i think he'd be really
embarrassed by how
we've been received by the church is
that true everywhere
no it's not true we're inviting other
places
so it just depends on the individual in
the church okay
um and so so you mostly camp then
no or so far we haven't had the camp
that much at all we have found help
so where are you staying here then did
the motel at you or
well we would rather not say but we are
very well taken care of
and how did you eat how did you eat that
i had
well very well or did someone just give
you food
someone who was responsible in that area
for food and they would help us
does it mean like going into a
restaurant or sometimes it does
it just varies grocery store might help
us
and you just tell them about what your
your movement is or you just say where
do you stay away from that or do you
explain what you're doing there or what
or
how detailed do you get you know well we
try to
you know when jesus said uh back in the
bible
you read where the disciples were they
were given this gift of speaking in
tongues
and what we feel that really is is the
ability to reach people on their level
of our
understanding and so we wouldn't we
would try to be very sensitive to
somebody
and try to speak to them on the level
that they could understand
what we're about so we wouldn't always
say we would always say well we're you
know
we're you're coming from ufos to do this
yes
you know it wouldn't be fair because
they may not be old enough to understand
that
so we have to be sensible so would you
say something like we're just part of
some
you know we try to we try to say that
um we are trying to do a very important
task here
and the task involves that what people
refer to as the kingdom of god and there
is information that we
feel we must share and try to help
people understand how to get to that
kingdom
and i guess i mean it's no surprise to
any of you that
99 of the population probably thinks
this is
way out there
i mean we think it's unfortunate and we
feel like uh and the lower forces
have you know in a sense uh turn
everybody's eyes but then on the other
hand
uh we can't really judge that and they
you know
yeah we don't know we don't know why
that's happened do you ever get harassed
no i don't think so right
now i think we try to be
keen and keen to that let's try to stay
out of places where we would be harassed
at least
we don't look for it it sounds as if um
to all of you um or actually again um
you mentioned a little bit about
what you feel you'll be doing on the
next level can you give me an idea of
that
what you see there's a lot of different
things you're kind of preparing for so
that you will be
useful on the next level well as kind of
i think that the the whole purpose of
being here is to try to
overcome anything that would be unlike
behavior in that kingdom level and
we i know that the main focus is on
conduct and behavior but the next level
is a
they do so many many things but the
focus is on conduct and behavior because
if you
are those in that kingdom then you'll
get in their way
and you can't be useful so the more
sensitive you are
to that behavior and conduct the more
useful you can be the more
of a in spoken wheel you can be what's
your absolute mission in the next level
what is the next level's mission
in the big picture sense what's it
what's it trying to do what does it
exist for
this is just they don't they don't need
us they don't need anybody
this is the experiment well this is an
experiment is to bring
something from a speck of dust and bring
it up to become
a member of their kingdom but it's
because of our desire
to do that that they are helping us
along but if they don't want us
then you know we we have nothing to say
about it but
they are so loving that they work they
are helping us and i'm sure they have
many other things that they could be
doing
but it's their their desire to help us
can i just ask you
what was your vehicle's family what was
their first reaction to this
the vehicle's family and friends when
they realized that the vehicle was
moving on to something different
well uh i've always kind of been a black
the vehicle has kind of been a black
sheep in the family so i don't think
they were surprised
by this and i think the friends that i
had were very supportive
and what was the vehicle's life like
before this won't work
in any particular field or have anything
it's hard to relate to that but
i'd say about a year before i even met
uh
tiendo my life started
to fall apart i just lost interest in
everything that i was doing it was like
i would try this and
well why isn't that working i was so
excited about that and
you know and everything i tried was uh i
could see through it
it lost it lost its significance and uh
you know i was reading something about
the two and the two witnesses
as as rick was and it was like boying
this this big light went off in my head
and i had to go to that meeting and i
don't know why
but i'm glad i did and where and when
was the meeting you went to
it was in august of 75 and it was in
sunnyvale california
and a week later i had my bags packed
and i was i was gone
and just another thing too then um the
part of the lifestyle that
the lifestyle now it's the dress and uh
and i guess it sounds like the other
thing too that alcohol and
all kinds of substances don't seem to
are they completely out do they all go
along with this
is it all kind of like a general
abstinence type of thing
right the important the importance of
abstaining from
even coffee uh we don't want to alter
any any of our thinking processes but
this this overcoming requires
all of our energy and effort so if
we don't want to distort anything by
taking drugs or alcohol or
anything like that and as far as the
celibacy then
is there any way i know though i didn't
quite understand it in the half hour we
talked about
is there any way you could sort of
summarize how that fits into the whole
big picture for people well
uh you know it's funny i before i ever
met tindo i thought
how could anybody be celibate that it's
impossible
and especially for me but the funny
thing was
uh the it was a good
it was a good um example of how the mind
can come in
and change
i i i was really surprised that i was
able to remain the vehicle i was able to
keep it under control
in that area and in fact i didn't even
think about it
so does the celibacy have more to do
with keeping your own
vehicle clear of other responsibilities
or other things like that
more than just like i guess i guess i
was starting to think that maybe
the idea was that everyone should be
celibate and everyone but is that not
really it or
well celibacy is really not a moral
issue okay you do have the next level
that
they don't have bodies that that
reproduce
and uh overcoming is very in some ways
it's very painful to overcome
sexuality but you have to know in your
own mind that you can do it
you can be because you want to be a
match for that vehicle that doesn't have
any gender you want to know that you're
not going to miss it
and so that's part of it the other part
is uh
it's as i said it requires a lot of
energy to change
and to to constantly look to to your you
know creator for
for changes and and overcoming and that
energy would be wasted if you wasted it
on
things sensual nature just as much more
to do with keeping your
keeping everything clear so you can do
your other goals and responsibilities
okay what i guess finally when you come
and you hold these meetings
what do you want to walk away with
what's the ultimate reason for having
this
are you looking to see that if you can
hopefully pick the person
like yourself like you had been 20 years
ago so that
maybe you'll well i think that our our
goal is to hold that might download
something i think our goal is just to
try to give the information as clearly
and as accurately as possible
to whoever comes to the meeting and then
what what they do with that information
is
their business and we are not concerned
about it i mean
we would feel good if we did that if we
could say that we really gave
uh the information as best as we can
and act as accurately and as as clearly
as
we could that's i guess that would be
our goal
why then why why do you care if people
know if they're not the chosen people
why is it important for them to know
well
it's important because we feel like the
record has been distorted things
things that even the messengers that
came 2000 years ago
as soon as he left the distortions began
until right now you can't even see the
forest through the trees so to speak
nobody knows the truth anymore it's been
so distorted
so we're trying to set it straight it
does the god as as
people see him does he exist
in the next level in that way or have we
destroyed he's very humble
does he is he like a in a vehicle or
what's he you know
we have this image of this kind of
bearded
grandfather type is that what it's like
or what or is there but there is a being
there
yes he's a physical being we don't we
wouldn't even say what he looks like i
have no we have no idea what he looks
like but
we we think pretty sure pretty to be
pretty sure that he's not wearing
flowing robes and
long blonde hair strumming on harms
no member in that kingdom is they're
very humble they're very hard working
things that people think are so
miraculous
we know that it takes a lot of hard work
than them to do but they have a lot of
technology
to do it okay all right
um i think that that's good one thing we
wanted to make sure that people know
that we're just not a little group going
around talking about a new philosophy
the fact is that the same individual
that they
are waiting that even the christians are
waiting for the return
is happening he is here he is the one
that was
jesus we say was jesus because jesus was
the physical body
that the member of the next level used 2
000 years ago
that same body is not going to return he
said it wasn't going to return
and the point is that if you can
recognize him and what he's saying
through what his
what his message is that we've been
trying to talk about
you will see the same mind as was here
2000 years ago
we are the same individuals that were
with him
2000 years ago in the same respect we
were young children then
trying to learn to use human vehicles to
overcome them and to go through our
lessons
and we are still very young and we are
at the final stage of our lessons
hopefully
at this at the end of our task here we
will be eligible to be new members in
the level above human as was promised by
him 2000 years ago okay
you want to discuss the details of your
next stop right here you know anything
you want to talk about
evens on the spotlight but we're looking
for the next town that might be
receptive to our information
and uh we don't know where that's going
to be exactly
it'd probably be east of here do you
pick from a map or
yes we have a general idea of what towns
have
individuals in them that might be
receptive to
the strange sounding information and uh
so
we might head towards one of those towns
east of here
but there's no exact we don't know
exactly yet
it seems like almost everyone was 1975.
is that true or no
the majority i know i was going to say i
know actually we started out there was
about 25 of us 24 24 of us
uh six months ago and um
so that gives you a good idea of how
hard this endeavor so this actual
group here has just been together since
january right
no no oh no or well in
18 years there has been to some degree
as a result of our
putting some ads in the paper in may of
93
we put a large ad third of the page in
the usa today
and just to let people to do people
couldn't really understand a lot of what
we had to say
so that's why we started going out into
the communities
and okay just from seeing the
other notices that you were going to
come absolutely
that was some of the ways that they
hooked on to us seeing posters and
tv shows or ads or radio or whatever
whatever
method we had at the time to consume
and we may have a few groceries that we
can use for that
sometimes though after meetings if
there's some interest in our information
and there's some who want to talk to us
more we'll we'll talk to them
we'll set up the time either that night
or
maybe in the next day or the next couple
of days to talk to them about
what it would take to pursue this
further or what they might
need buddy who doesn't do what
mainstream says
and attracts any kind of following is
usually
you know labeled something derogatory
and uh
so but we're not afraid of that in fact
we think cults and we feel like we're
the same family returned
so we are also the cult of cults
and we could talk about that a lot more
too but the point is that
to a kingdom level above human uh all
the other paths are ways to the top of
the mountain
but they don't get you off cults have
been turned into
satanic ritual things and it's
it's not even it's further away from the
definition of the word
we told some of the things that we don't
do that
don't happen we don't have guns
sacrifices we don't have rituals
i was just i hated the world and i hated
everything that
that i was looking into because
everything
didn't have a full picture and a lot of
things i read
a lot of paths that i walked on had a
lot of misinformation in it
and um when
when i came across this information it
was i went through a lot of turmoil
because i knew it was the truth
and there are a lot of things that they
were binding finding me from
from following the path and
i gathered enough strength
and what is your name sign oh is that s
y or so s-a-i-s-a-i
okay did you just go by first names okay
and where were you when you how did you
find out um i was in
palo alto california and i first read
about it in a common boundary
magazine and vehicle's brother
wrote away for some information and he
went to the meeting and didn't tell me
about it
he was going to the follow-up meeting
and he told me about that and i insisted
on coming along and so i basically
missed
there's nothing that would keep me then
and did did um ever
he's in another group and another
same group another eagle's
at first she she thought it was some
really crazy calls and
i'd end up in something like a david
crush called and i explained everything
to her and she was pretty
torn apart at first but when we um
traveled up to the bay area again
i was a lot i was able to see her and
i noticed a big difference she was more
receptive to the information
and she changed a great deal
she she became really open-minded
and and she saw some footage of the
media
that from other parts of the country and
um
she she just was really happy with what
i was doing and she knew that i was
happy with
what i was doing and so
did that do groups such as any kind of
group i guess
uh who have been did you notice a wave
of
negativeness toward you after the crash
thing or the way that that was
perceived did any was there a backlash
at all
well i know a lot of groups here were
named cults and kind of tried
there were ways people tried to link
them with that cult i know like the
church universal all of a sudden these
names started popping up in newsweek
where they had never been there before
um did that happen at all to your group
or
it was never a day i mean they're so
different
we weren't out in the public eye at the
time oh we were hidden oh that's right
because it was 92 when that happened all
that right
we felt though it was uh it like to
get closer to the creator even though
there are all those allegations about
what david koresh
did to children and stuff well
we we recognized that they for instance
they had guns
which we didn't think was a proper
you know right way to be alleged against
them we first of all
are skeptical as to the truth of those
was
to to get closer to the creator
and we feel that they are they were
looked well
upon by the next level even to the point
of of giving up their own life
because of what they believed in uh in
in in their uh
association with the creator and their
relationship
right but david koresh didn't have an
older member that he was
recognizing being what you know being
someone to look to
so he was trying the best he could to
interpret what
he thought god wanted for him and his
followers
and he got off track in a number of ways
and so
but we have had an older member with us
for 18 years
who has a lot of sensitivity
and knows the right way to learn to
overcome the human kingdom
and even though we did some things that
some might consider strange they were
never against the law
or you know or harmful to anybody what
were some of those things that were
these misinterpreted
things oh well no we would at times
would try to overcome
being so talkative and we would try to
restrict our
terminology to yes no i don't know and
write little notes to each other to or
we would uh
we would have certain consuming patterns
we went through a lot we'd probably that
didn't really matter what we ate that
much as long as it was prepared well and
tasted decent and was fulfilling
sustaining to the vehicle
but you know some people in 1975 had
different ideas that they had to be
vegetarians or
or being you know into a meat diet or a
vegan diet or whatever
and we tried a lot of things like that
to try to find out what the best diet
might be
for a physical vehicle and
we learned a lot from that and so we can
talk intelligently about it but our
older members always encouraged us to
explore everything we wanted to explore
but there was always rules too and we
have lots of procedures and
ways of doing things and we choose to do
those things and we like them
and we've given us a handle over these
bodies
these animal-like bodies that would like
to do anything they want to do anytime
and it would be chaos if everybody did
that
sanderson's magazine
did you know
it's over there by my coat and my
umbrella
but again it's more has a lot more to do
with
you know some sort of thing that's
coming up like a bizarre or something
you know this is pretty bizarre
give them a try so they'd say
i'm sure it would be most unusual
requests they've gotten anywhere
yeah i don't know i would say billions
may spokane probably does
news articles
and none of the tv stations or anything
else well it wasn't our group
you take it for a few seconds yeah
do you always do both the interview and
the camera yeah yeah
at this level yeah you gotta do
everything sometimes during the week
they've got a lot more people on but
the way my job works we kind of uh use
that as a
we feel like when we go talk to the
media we're looking for the
moldova the guy who's does the
unusual stuff
really diverse type of population
and our thing now actually that is
constitutionalizes
they scream at you on the phone trying
to tell you everyone's illegal and
that judge the constitution says that
that judge can't be there
you know don't you think so what do you
think you're a citizen voting
making like four bucks an hour
yeah well their thing is that there's no
i guess victim kind of the underlying
and like if i don't have car insurance
you know there's no victim
that's usually the argument that they
use
a lot or they'll go back to really
really old laws and
maybe used during the civil war to
govern commerce and stuff interstate
commerce yes there's a lot this is a
government that cannot
restrict interstate commerce a war era
you know that kind of thing well they
have nothing that
won the specific type of grief
some who sound like their areas much
more than
carrying firearms that's more they're
concerned
about the traffic
well you know falcone and then there are
many who are
who are involved in the whole movement
you know pretty are more open about it
you know they're kind of taking more of
you but there
white males because white males are
descendants from god
they are not
they are not for that reason subject
to anything that came after
you know what i mean like and so they
say that
that black people were given their
freedom whereas
so a black person who was granted
to some degree we could see some of that
but anyways
they're saying that i mean in a sense
believe in a god
uh much different than man's laws
all right yes
or do you want it to be now
oh
people to call us they find that they
want more information sure
that's fine yeah likely you'll probably
get some response
you