we'd like to
thank everyone for coming tonight and
we'd like to
take a moment to introduce
everyone on the panel starting over
towards the left we have towards the
right i'm sorry we have matt
that's oliver june sawyer
and i'm even and we'll be
starting out the meeting with a
introduction
and then we'll be following it with a
tape probably a 15 minute segment which
will then be followed by
question and answers and if
everyone would be so kind as to
hold their questions and tell the
question and answer period
we'd appreciate it
if you've read the material then
hopefully
you'll be prepared for some of what
we're going to say because we have
what we feel is a very large picture
it's not the kind of information that's
easily digestible by the human brain
and each one of you has a different
computer
in other words a brain to try to
understand what we're trying to say and
so
we find ourselves in a awkward to some
degree position
of trying to interface with each one of
you
in your own lingo some of you may come
from a background of
some religious uh background or a
christian
or or some of you may be buddhists or
some of you may think religions are all
off track
but we know the information that we have
can speak to
all of you but it's also going to
require of you
that you listen and try not to try to
restrain
judgment of what we're saying
because the more you can listen the
higher you can reach
for what we're saying and the higher we
can reach to try to be
decent instruments of the information
that we have
we're not channelers
but we feel like we're trying very hard
to be in tune with
that level above human
that is responsible for everything
that's been created on this planet
so what is the level above human that
might be one of your first questions
how do you define it we refer to it as
the evolutionary
kingdom level above human
a physical place in other words where
individuals have physical containers or
biological
bodies
where there are many members not
necessarily as many as there are
in the human kingdom
as there are not as many humans as there
are
animals in the animal kingdom and the
plant kingdom
but we are talking about a real kingdom
level
it's not the same thing as the astral
world
the spiritual plane
we're talking about a place where people
do things they have function
they have activity they have tasks they
make mistakes
they improve themselves
it is a we use the word kingdom only
because it
better describes the fact that there is
an individual that you could refer to as
the king
who we would refer to more as the chief
of chiefs
or the creator of creators
and it is his love for
this the human kingdom the stepping
stone kingdom that he created
to give the opportunity for
new membership in his kingdom
by taking giving opportunities for human
individuals to
make a transition out of the human
kingdom
he doesn't have to do that
those in that kingdom have no need for
more members
it is simply their gift
to provide options for individuals in
the human kingdom to make choices
that would find themselves making
application into that
kingdom
maybe another way to come at this
large piece of information and we
probably will come at it from several
different points of view because it is
such a big picture
it's if you think about space and a lot
of our minds have been on space
in the last couple weeks with what's
happening with jupiter
and people have wondered is there an
intelligence
behind the universe or is this all just
happenstance
well maybe think about it from this
perspective
that before the human kingdom which
we're all a part of right now
was another kingdom actually existed
which is what we're calling an
evolutionary kingdom level
above the human kingdom that kingdom
existed before the dinosaurs
before amoebas before anything on this
planet
and in a very real sense this whole
planet or you could call it a garden is
an experiment
of that kingdom level we all here
are an experiment of a higher kingdom
level
a very real kingdom level that kingdom
level has
like so you were saying many members
and let's say for a simplistic
illustration that the higher minds in
that kingdom decided
to have this experiment and so in the
sense they took their told their design
department to design
a garden in a sense they had to put
around it all the elements that were
very familiar with the periodic table of
elements
and all the building blocks of life
and they were all put here not by
happenstance but by design
everything that even the very creatures
on the planet are made up of all those
elements they were all put here
the atmosphere around the planet that
was designed
and there's this debate if you you know
read the papers christianity has this
debate between creation and evolution
and we don't see any debate there at all
because that kingdom level can put into
motion certain subroutines
which you might call evolution meaning
that
certain sequences of the development on
this planet of let's say containers for
creatures to occupy
as the souls learn more lessons
you could trace like anthropology can
trace various
chains or links between let's say
amphibians and then
all of a sudden there's these
missing links and another creature is
actually
inserted into the chain and the
anthropologists wonder what happened
there there's this big gap and that was
certainly intentional
i mean so they didn't intend for us to
be able to figure out the whole picture
but if you consider that this is a
garden for nurturing souls
and as the soul develops and gets more
and more lessons under its belt or
becomes more and more
advanced it needs a more advanced
container to occupy
and so more advanced containers were
introduced into
the planet and so you have right now a
planet with
numerous you know different stratas of
life
and animal life plant life human life
on it and then periodically throughout
the experiment
that kingdom level actually sends
representatives down to upgrade the
various levels of life
on the planet and you know there's a
history book that records it
which we refer to as the bible that
interaction between that level of
level above human and the experiment
that they were conducting
and you can see you know various
instances and they happen
somewhat cyclically of members of that
kingdom relating very closely with
members of the human kingdom
you know if you look at the civilization
as being roughly six
thousand years and then you look back to
the time of moses which was roughly 4
000 years ago you can see a very close
association at that time
the human kingdom at that time was very
primitive
and they gave various basic
sets of conduct to upgrade the humans
the ten commandments you know
if you're gonna and other ones you know
related to that like if you're gonna
consume you might as well wash your
hands before that if you're going to
sleep around sleep with one person honor
their father and their mother very basic
things
then 2 000 years later they sent another
representative
which we all know through the history
books as the one that was referred to as
jesus
and again an update was given to the
individuals of this kingdom
and that update contained in it
information of
actually if you think take jesus out of
the religious context and think of
okay he came from a level above the
human kingdom
in a sense he came from the future to
this kingdom
to give the individuals on this level
what it takes to become members of that
kingdom
so in order to do that um
he couldn't interface with the people in
the bodies that they occupy in that
kingdom level because
it doesn't work that well just like um
you know a long time ago in the bible
the members of that kingdom could you
know
mingle with the people but as the
civilization progressed
there was too big of a gap there
so what happens is that individual from
that actual literal
kingdom level above human leaves his
body there takes the mind
or soul that's in that um that was
occupying that body and incarnates which
means takes that
that chunk of mind and tries to
integrate
that's into the circuitry of a human
body which is very difficult it's like
taking the mind of einstein trying to
shove it into a dog
and trying to communicate so
you know if you read the history books
it wasn't until approximately age 29 in
the life of the one you call jesus that
that information actually comes in
and they they represent it symbolically
on the
with the dove at the river of jordan
where john the baptist
says oh goodness this something's
happening here and this person is not
you know he's not like me this is the
one you need to look to he is from
another place
and he was from another place
and he brought the individuals that time
up a notch and he
says he thought at the beginning of his
ministry
that he would be able to give
enough of the basic behavioral
requirements of that kingdom for some
of the ones who were closest to him
known as the disciples to actually make
an evolutionary transition
but towards the end of his ministry he
knew that he hadn't given them
enough information or they hadn't made
enough changes to do that so he said
listen okay that's
nothing lost here i where i go you can i
come i'm going to prepare a place for
you
and don't worry you'll be saved
you'll be born again and we'll pick it
up at a later time
okay so we're back to the experiment
again 2 000 years later
just as was prophesied or promised again
two individuals this time were sent from
that kingdom they left their bodies
in that kingdom behind they had physical
bodies
they left them there they took those
minds or souls
and tried to again incarnate into two
humans that were
you know pretty normal looking humans
but those bodies had been picked and
prepped for this time
period so those mines from that kingdom
level from the future
came in and tried to integrate into the
circuitry of
bodies or vehicles from this kingdom
level which is an extremely difficult
task to do
again it's like taking the circuitry of
einstein shoving it into a dog and
trying to
explain what you know the physics slab
is like to the dog kingdom
so they it took them roughly three and a
half years to
kind of assimilate and put those pieces
together let their brains be able to
comprehend enough of the picture to give
it out
in 1975 those two individuals gave
meetings around the country
they were called they call themselves
bone peep
since then they've taken the names t
they are two individuals from that
kingdom level their task
at that time in 1975 was to gather a
crew
which had had previous association with
them from 2000 years ago
who had started their overcoming trying
to get out of the human kingdom
gather them up and they did so in
meetings
and some of us sitting here are those
who have
been with them this time to learn the
basic
behavioral requirements of the kingdom
level above the human kingdom
and again we're getting back to a very
real
kingdom level that the human kingdom was
never de
designed as the top of the evolutionary
ladder it was designed
as a stepping stone but it's also part
of the design to keep humans pretty much
blinded to that fact
when that opportunity isn't available
there are only certain intervals when
that opportunity is available and that's
when
representatives from that kingdom are
here
so the ones of us who are giving these
meetings now
have spent time with those two
individuals trying to learn the ways
of that kingdom level and we thought
that was going to be the end of our task
but as of january this year it was given
to us to know that there are others out
there who have also had previous
association
with that kingdom level who might be at
this point in time
ready to end their lessons at the human
kingdom and actually take
residency or take beginnership in a
literal kingdom level
above human and we know this is very
you know it's phenomenal i mean it's
even it's hard for people to even
comprehend that there is a real kingdom
level above you because we've been so
programmed all this time to think of
jesus and god sitting up there on you
know next to each other on the throne
and you're going to go up there and
you're going to
strum on harps and whatever and when you
start thinking no it's not like that at
all it's extremely real there's tasks up
there
and you don't get to heaven by dying
and that's a big concept for a lot of
people to to
swallow and that's what we're here to
talk about that you do not
get to heaven by you know adoring some
savior and thinking that's it
and you know waking up on some cloud
somewhere it doesn't happen that way
sometimes we have referred to
the process of separating from the human
kingdom
and preparing to enter as a beginner in
the next level
as equivalent to an astronaut training
program
in a sense that individual came two
thousand years ago
and recognizes jesus
he was preparing them to enter a kingdom
level
from which he had come that they really
had very little knowledge of
and he recognized that as june said
they would have to continue with their
lessons at a later time
and we believe that this
garden this planet is going through
a season if you will where that door
to that kingdom level is open again
where individuals can complete their
overcoming process
or in another to use another analogy
complete the construction of their
chrysalis
and become new creatures
this cannot happen unless individuals
are willing to sever
all their ties to this world and
establish
new ties with that kingdom level
just as a caterpillar must discontinue
consuming leaves in order to become a
butterfly
so must the human who wishes to complete
this transition
cease human activity and adopt the ways
and behavior of the kingdom level above
human
this can only occur while an individual
a representative
from that kingdom an older member is
present
incarnate in a human body to take
individuals through that process
it's similar to a sponsor taking someone
through the alcoholics anonymous program
you can't help someone overcome alcohol
unless you have indulged in it yourself
and you know what it's like to go
through the withdrawal symptoms
the individual who was here 2 000 years
ago
lived a normal human life until he
awakened to
his true identity but he knew
what it took to take his disciples
through some of the deities of
overcoming and separating from the human
world
our teacher who is here now has been
through the human experience
he and his father who also incarnated
into a human
a female vehicle went through a normal
human existence for a period of roughly
40 years
living like anybody else
our teacher indulged in a wide range of
activities
experiencing a wide range of
addictions to human pursuits if you will
raising a family having a career
and now it's his job to show us
how we can drop all that and become like
he has become
one who is no longer interested in the
human world
but is interested only in serving his
older member in the heavens
the kingdom level above human is not a
static place
it is a place where growth continues
indefinitely
the chief the creator is constantly
evolving
and there are ones in that kingdom level
who are constantly struggling to keep
up with him and evolve with him of
course no one can grow as fast as he can
but
his knowledge is passed down through
them to
father and son and father and son in
that kingdom level
if you can think of that term in an
androgynous sense
until it reaches the lower levels of
that kingdom
when some are assigned the task of
coming down here and relating to the
human kingdom
to show how that transition is
accomplished
we are in the process of learning how to
draw upon that mind
that source of nourishment from our
older member our representative
while he is here because if we can
complete that
if we can learn how to adopt
the thinking and ways of that kingdom to
be compatible with the next level
vehicle
then we can survive as newborns in that
level
you have to understand that the vehicles
or the bodies of that kingdom level
are neither male nor female they do not
need to eat
they do not need to sleep they do not
need to reproduce
they have the capacity to communicate
with each other telepathically
they have little use for words
if you can imagine yourself as a crew
member aboard a ship in the heavens
serving the chief and you have no
control over your thoughts
and those thoughts can contain desires
directed at
others aboard the crew or reactions to
their
to their behavior such as jealousy or
inappropriate
anger or static of
whatever sort may occur then you would
not be acceptable
in that ship you would not be able to
function as as a smooth member of that
crew
it's similar to a human family that is
trying to bring
a dog into that household that dog
cannot continue to participate in dog
activities and scratching the furniture
or
barking loudly at all hours of the night
and day
and expect to remain an accepted member
of that
household he must adopt certain human
ways in order to become
welcomed there in order to
join in the human activities and of
course you've seen
dogs that have accomplished that and
really think of themselves as a member
of that human family
and that human family regards that dog
as part of their crew
well we know that we desire nothing
more than becoming welcome in the
household
of that kingdom level
and we are striving every day to become
more like the representative
who is here who is taking us through
this overcoming process
we know that time is short for those
who may hear this information and choose
to act on it as we have acted on it
we don't believe it will require 18
years of you
those of you who choose to do this but
we do believe that shortly
within this generation some will exit
the human kingdom will be picked up
in what you would refer to as a ufo
a bus of that kingdom level and be taken
into the heavens
the headquarters of that heavens is a
real physical place
it has a location within the universe
which we do not know but we know that
these individuals of that kingdom level
have the freedom to
travel anywhere they wish in the heavens
they are not limited to any particular
world
or planning quick clarification i don't
know if we made this clear
when we were describing uh the events of
2000 years ago
we were saying that the mind from the
kingdom
of heaven from the evolutionary level
above human that came into jesus
that all of a sudden made him a teacher
that the whole world paid attention to
really came in at age 29 or 30.
and if you study the you know the
history of jesus you have a big gap
and some people say well he went to
egypt you know prior to that or he went
to
greece india you know and the stories go
on about all these things
or at the very least he was in the scene
and he was really in the scene leader
and he just passed that information on
we're saying that none any of those
could be true
but what we're saying is the history of
that vehicle
that that human container prior to the
entrance of the mind from the kingdom of
heaven
was rather relevant because people said
when he showed up
and started to actually teach during the
three and a half year teaching period
they said well he's just
the carpenter's son i knew him he grew
up down the street
in other words he's nobody special how
can he be the christ the messiah that
everybody's waiting for
so we have the same circumstance here
what we're trying to say is these minds
came
in to two human bodies that were already
in their 40s
the bodies themselves that had lives
prior to that and had gotten into all
kinds of things
the minds themselves were for the
kingdom of heaven they had not been into
those things
so during the three and a half year
awakening process you checked me if i'm
saying this correctly but during that
three and a half years
in other words they changed the thinking
and the behavior of those bodies to be a
match
for bodies and thinking that are in the
kingdom of heaven in other words
so what they're doing is they're going
through in a very short period of time
the so-called overcoming process when
jesus said i've overcome the world he
means
i've moved my thinking behavior from
this kingdom level
to that kingdom level and i'm ready to
leave now i'll teach you
you do the same and you can leave with
me so in other words it's not like they
got into those things they simply took
over body that was already into them
them being pure and they then
changed them over it so that the bodies
match their own
you know thinking so then we've been in
seclusion for 18 years
trying to do the same thing in other
words by the time the class started the
public meetings in 1975
1976 where we were sitting in the
audience
we heard the information and decided
well it just
felt very true to us and we said