the
soul that incarnated incarnated into
jesus
that took that body that vehicle that we
call jesus
was from the next evolutionary level of
life which
we refer to in biblical history as the
kingdom level of god
or the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom
of heaven
is where our creator resides well let me
see that's perfectly clear to me it's
not terribly sophisticated at all
but if i follow you and if you're saying
that you are souls which have incarnated
in your bodies just as the soul of jesus
did in his
then i then are you saying that you are
in fact from the same place
from which that soul came yes okay
how do you know that um
we have the sign of jonah which
is about the only proof that we can
offer is from individual experience
and there's nothing that we can show
anyone
and there's no proof that we offer other
than the sign of jonah and that jonah
was
the only one who experienced being in
the belly of a whale and he could go out
and he could tell people
that he had this experience but yet how
was he to prove
since there wasn't any witnesses and i
have to share with you if i can
if i could david a fascinating
experience i had on january 9
19 1990 or 1980 right
uh in which i had a dream and the dream
included
astonishing truths but when i woke up i
was going to write it down i wanted to
write down
everything that i had learned in that
dream because i was astonished at what
i'd been shown
and as i reached for the pen and the pad
of paper
at my bed stand beside my bed uh a
wonderful voice spoke to me and said
truth can i have to be proven
nor need it be it simply is
and so i in that moment learn a great
deal about truth
i never ask people to try to prove their
truth i haven't yet
i know i'm only asking you how you know
because you must know
there must be something some experience
some knowledge some truth
some something that has given you to
know
what you say you know and i'm only
asking you what is it
what am i what if let's say for example
i wanted to
go your way why would i go your way what
is it that you have that nobody else has
we were given a gift of recognition
and we know that this gift of
recognition was
given to us not because of something we
deserved but it was a gift from our
creator
and we recognize the information that
was given to us which we now
are sharing as the truth because we were
given the gift of recognizing that truth
which is what which is this is that
we are a created being and that we have
a creator
and that the creator resides in a
physical biological
place it's not a spiritual uh
metaphysical place it's
it's a real physical place that has
substance
and individuals in that place have very
high technology
some of that technology is considered
some of their
modes of transportation people refer to
as ufos
but we know that all ufos are not from
this kingdom level that we talk about
but yet
there are some ufos and we feel quite a
majority of the ones who
are making themselves known to humans at
this time or from
another camp from the camp that's spun
off
which we refer to as the luciferian camp
okay what makes you different
besides the fact that you recognize the
truth or
if that weren't enough well because
that's really a relative thing we
know that these vehicles we occupy are
human vehicles
but we also recognize that the mind that
we're attempting to
graft into and receive our
nourishment from comes from the kingdom
level of heaven
and that's the recognition that we were
given is that we can recognize
that the information that we have to
share comes from
another kingdom level it's not from
humans humans have not
arrived at this information and the only
way that we know
that it's true is because we were given
that gift to recognize that it's true
let me ask you some questions here rick
or
even when did your souls from your
knowingness when did your souls
inhabit these particular bodies when you
were 10 15 30 at birth
or do you have any awareness of when
that happened
well it's happened for different at
different times for
different individuals well for you even
for you when was it for you
when was the time of your coming into
this body for you as you experienced it
that a fair question well
i'd like to address another issue and
that's that there's
two representatives who have come from
that kingdom level who incarnated into
human vehicles
as older members and that these are the
ones who
have helped us in our incarnate
process but is there a reason without we
need to be disrespectful or confronted
but is there a reason why the question i
asked feels uncomfortable for you to
answer because i sense
i don't know
as far as our individual awakening of
to this information we know that it's a
it's a process that occurs
in various amounts of time for various
individuals it's not something that it's
not something that i can say that well
gee i
woke up one morning and bingo i
recognized that i was
possibly uh something else than what i
am
the reason i didn't work that way the
reason i asked the question rick
is that there is a a phenomenon
that some people call walk-ins uh it's a
phenomena
that some people have experienced where
they sometimes they suddenly wake up or
sometimes it's over a period of months
or years but they suddenly feel like
they're in a body they haven't been in
before that they're that they're
other than who everyone else sees them
as that they're slightly different than
everyone else imagines them to be and
and it's a it's a
and and in order to somehow describe
this
to others people have come upon the
theory of what would have been called
walk-ins where
i'm sure you're familiar with the theory
and i wonder whether or not
uh that experience of watkins might be
inaccurate
and that what's really happening is
something akin to what you're discussing
here
an awakening to a the truth about who
you are
um and and awakening and an awakening
that's so frightening in its
implications that some people turn from
that and look for a different kind of
explanation
so yeah could that be
i'll try to answer this song asking
questions you weren't really ready for
here today
no no hope to answer this so it's clear
we feel that um
these vehicles that we are presently
inhabiting
your bodies our bodies these vehicles
were
in a sense tagged for us before we
actually arrived
before our souls actually took
possession of them
understood yes so um who was in them
before your souls were
fair question yes there was a spirit
that
um care took it for you yes in other
words the care took the vehicle for us
um however say our mind
related to that vehicle over the years
however until our teachers came
and in other words brought some smelling
salts
we want to make it clear that if it
weren't for our teachers we wouldn't be
able to recognize
what we recognized that it was because
of our teachers and because of our older
members
that we were that they had
put smelling salts under us and we
couldn't have have done this a long time
let me ask you this how do you know
you're not hypnotized or do you see you
do i break
the ties do i look brainwashed yeah okay
but then again so do i no i think you
you do you you have a particular look on
your face
of a person who is in a hypnotic trance
it's called serenity it's called inner
peace
well i mean i'm just i'm just being
honest i'm not i'm sure he's not
concerned about my honesty are you
not at all well when you when you
mention being brainwashed i think
we've we've thought about that term over
you know over some time and we feel that
in a lot of ways we hope we are in other
words we want to be
we want to wash our brains of everything
every concept
that this world relates to in other
words what we still
um are addicted to
in some ways any behavior any concept
that would keep us bound to this world
and separate us from actually
so you mean leaving here to use someone
else's well chosen words you want to be
in this world 2 000 years ago
an individual from the next kingdom
level brought a formula
and he gave it to humans and the formula
was
how to overcome being a human creature
and evolving into a creature that is not
human that has eternal life
that formula was presented and has now
become
diluted and unscrewed and distorted by
religions and that formula
we offer the same formula today that was
offered two thousand years ago
and this is is it a secret no it's not a
secret tell me what it is the formula is
that you have to
overcome your human condition and love
the next level
love god more than you love even your
own life you have to give up all of your
addictions
you have to become a new creature how
does that happen though
what's the mechanism
well it's it's a nuts and bolts
mechanism it's a lot of hard work
yes it's literally um where do you begin
you begin by linking up to an older
member one who's in the position of
knowing how to go about
overcoming your humanness it's he's
already been through this process he's
he's done this before
so he knows he knows the formula and he
knows how we can apply that finances and
how do you make that link up how i mean
where do you find it it isn't like you
can't go down to the church on the
corner and say father we're on the
flight again
you know that's why we're here that's
why we're supposing you have forgive me
but suppose you hadn't come or so it's
taken you a long time to get around to
this corner of the world
supposing someone wanted to do it last
week before you got here are are you
guys
again with no disrespect intended are
you guys the only vehicles or conduits
through which such
uh contact with the old members can be
made and if you uh
had come here only two weeks ago
somebody who died last week might have
been able to make the connection but you
guys
missed your bus or whatever i mean i'm
just trying to get to and when you leave
when you leave after you're after your
time here then again has the chance to
make the connection gone forever and
ever and ever
it's now or never time and nobody else
in in your wake i'll stay i'll
i'll continue the work after you're
going if you want there should be a
resident person i mean i think you know
that's a thing everywhere a lot of
questions there but i guess what i'm
trying to get at is
are you guys the only ones and and how
are you special yeah
why not why are you special i know why
you're why are you different what
happens when you're gone
we we feel that we have
that we have a relationship with
the individual that came from that
literally came from that kingdom level
and we have been given the task to
hold meetings and to share this
information and to seek out the
individuals who are looking for it
who in other words have been given a
gift of recognition
who may have started their overcoming
process and another time
and have been uh sent
back here to connect with us if they
choose to
to potentially start their own
overcoming and enter that
kingdom well you you use the word
incarnated
you say two thousand years ago an older
member in the real kingdom
left behind his next level non-mammalian
body and incarnated into a picked and
prepped human body at approximately 29
years
of age what does it mean incarnated does
it mean it reincarnated
no well it simply means that his soul
this individual had already attained a
membership
in the kingdom of heaven he was a a
viable uh he had already overcome being
a human creature a long time ago
and had already developed enough
strength to where he was a viable
mind in the next kingdom level and he
had a vehicle another body that's not
mammalian didn't have the plumbing that
we have it had
non-gender but he gave up that body
in order to incarnate to literally come
to
come down to this planet and his soul
was
his soul was
deposited if you will into a vehicle
which was
in which had been prepared for his soul
he then
awakened to who he was and used the
brain in the vehicle to
assimilate and to translate what he was
aware of
and he became to know who he was so in a
sense bodies are like cars
they're just containers they're just
interchangeable vehicles
in the next kingdom level that's true
but
what we do in our body on earth creates
repercussions
in other words whoever or whatever is
inhabiting your body
can either help people or kill them or
hurt them
and so i mean what about the
accountability factor
yeah i want to ask the tough questions
and they came here to talk about ufos
and we'll give them a chance to make
to issue their warning in a bit but i
want to ask the really tough questions
ufos notwithstanding
these are the real questions i want to
ask and the two of them are one relates
to exactly your inquiry so i'll
piggyback on yours if i may
is there a hell we don't all behave do
we all go to everlasting damnation
we're in it these are these are the real
questions that people care about we
don't care about flying saucers
after we die we know that this is a uh
that this planet was designed
as an intermediate as an intermediary
step
it was never designed to work as
a heaven on earth it was designed as a
school
and for a human mind who
is a uh
and and i'm not sure if you have some
comment on that but the
the fact that we don't know uh about an
interpretation of hell
we know that the next level is is a real
physical level that is outside of the
human
ex human level it's outside of time
granted but but relating to david's
question into my inquiry which is a
larger version of his own
do we remain accountable in some way or
another
for the actions that we take here on
this planet during this lifetime if i'm
a good guy
do i have one kind of experience in the
next
portion of my of my adventure or if i'm
a bad guy do i have a different kind of
experience that makes me regret
that i was a bad guy is there a certain
kind of accountability in that sense
that's the question
well we know that the next level chooses
the ones
that they feel might be might have grown
to
become a candidate for
evolving into the next level we know
that not all humans will evolve into the
next level
and it's a choice we have free will to
determine
how we how we behave so now we get to
and
we know that our conduct is a direct it
has a lot of bearing on how
the next level relates to the human
spirit and
choosing ones where they are willing to
then say here's a group of humans that
look like they might be good candidates
for a deposit
i see a contradiction though hold on you
say that on one hand
certain bodies are prepared that that
connotes predestiny
but then you say that we have free will
now which is it
well in a sense we believe it's both how
can it be both you can't have duality
like that well when if you're given a
gift of recognition
and you recognize this information
you still at that point are
have free will to act upon it
and but what if you don't isn't that
also predestined
well it's not predestined there's
nothing predestined
uh even throughout eternity those
individuals who attain membership in the
kingdom of of god still have free will
they can choose to
to drop back and and separate from god
or separate from their creator
at any at any time they don't they're
not uh
robots they haven't been hypnotized to
say you you now lose your your option
its option is one thing that we carry
with us for eternity
well uh but the construction that you
uh evoke suggests that some
bodies have not been tagged and
therefore those bodies
are and the people who inhabit them the
souls who inhibit them are
by predestination alone lost forever
since they have not been
predestined to move on did i
misunderstand something
we know that nothing of any that has any
goodness in it
is lost and we don't understand
the mechanism by which our creator has
designed this his plan but what we do
know is that
there is a time that exists right now
for those individuals
who can recognize who do have the
deposit
to make an evolutionary jump and
be a participant in the kingdom level
that is way beyond the human level
we'll be talking with rick and even
about ufos as well and
whatever your questions might be on this
fascinating excursion into
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on this particular program are rick and
even
and uh they are i didn't write down
what they said but they are from a group
um which almost feels like in a sense
over souls
phrase i picked up from a book i read
about 20 years ago
anyway they're from uh are claimed to be
from another level
a level above a human they've come to
these bodies in which they
now reside in which they now inhabit and
they've devoted their lives along with
the number of other people on the planet
to waking the rest of us up to some very
important truths as they see it and one
of the important truths is the end of
civilization as we know it
we feel very strongly that this is the
end times it was
prophesied by in the bible and
that is not in fact one of the messages
and that you bring that
this is part of our message yes okay but
but wait a minute can i ask you this
what is the end time what does that mean
it's a time where we feel like this
civilization has reached its
its uh it's like a tree that
has fruit on it eventually the the fruit
will
ripen and then it's ripe while harvest
time occurs and you pick the fruit
and then after that there's another
another
cycle occurs and we feel like this is
the cycle for harvesting
but you make reference to the bible uh
have you ever read revelation
well we we've read revelation lots of
parts of it different people have
different
understandings of it but but what's what
it is
in revelation that is revealed is that
god is going to pour out his wrath on
those who have not turned
to him that in fact a third of the
people on earth will die
a third of the trees will be burned a
third of the fish in the ocean are going
to die
it's a time of uh great great turbulence
and turmoil turmoil and suffering
tribulation yeah is that how you see it
or do you see something else
well we honestly we don't know how it's
going to happen
and say that but i think if you look
around now
at the state of the planet
some of the signs are there already but
forgive me again without any any
disrespect but couldn't have been said
anytime in the past two thousand years
and people have been saying look around
the planet
the day after hiroshima easily said that
same thing look what
we've just done look at the planet so
those conditions with due respect
have been around seemingly for at least
hundreds of years
people have pointed to those kinds of
conditions and said the same thing
you're saying now so i guess i have to
ask as a reasoning person
what would cause us to notice these
signs as any more indicative than the
signs we looked at 200 years ago
or 40 years ago fair question
that's a fair question and and we're not
saying that you have to
believe us and we're not saying that
that this is something that speaks to
everyone
what we are saying is that for those who
it does speak to
they might want to come to our meeting
so the message is that the end of
civilization is very close
what what we do about that is there
something that
we can do or do we just kind of move
through the end of civilization and
just observe it complacently i don't
know that our message is that it's the
end of civilization our message is that
there's an opportunity now
for those who recognize it to make the
literal jump
from human level to becoming a beginner
in another evolutionary level of life
and it's a real
physical level of life all right how's
one do that one does that by first
making a connection with
the one who has been assigned the task
of helping
as a tutor in this process okay so
supposing they made people made that
connection by coming to your meeting
those people who live in the local area
here of course we're talking across the
country but
for those of you who do not live in this
area too bad for you but those of you
who live in the local area will have a
chance because these folks are going to
have a meeting
here at the courthouse at seven o'clock
on monday night but
uh after the meeting i mean are you
staying around for a couple of years or
do you leave in a couple of days and
then and then
then what then what happens after having
made the connection is there some trail
left behind some
process some follow-up some ability
you just you guys just leave and then
everyone who is touched by you there may
be 30 people there 50 100 or 10
whoever that is they get to
do something or experience something i
mean what is it fair to ask
what happened