with you presuming that you are in fact
the uh messengers or the criminals
the people sent forth by the older
members to make that contact possible
not that you'll have time to play it i'm
asking the wrong questions here
no not at all those are good questions
you're right they are 2 000 years ago an
individual who
the bible refers to as jesus had the
same formula with him
and he tried to share this information
with the general public at the time and
they found it so offensive they hung him
up on a cross for it
well the formula is the same you have to
you have to leave your family
you have to leave all of your addictions
behind you can't take your sex with you
you can't take your dog you can't take
your brother your sister
and those are harsh things for a human
to endure
and it's it's a it's a very tough
message
but what what we're really saying is
that for those individuals who have
outgrown
the need for recognizing those
addiction or the need for indulging in
those addictions that
a rep is here now who can help them with
their overcoming process
because he's been through it he knows
how to he knows how to help us
in our own overcoming but he then takes
us through this
process and then we will literally leave
the planet
and enter another kingdom level of
existence which we don't
uh which will have different kinds of
bodies these bodies won't
necessarily be usable there
and this information is for people who
are seeking
who haven't been able to find what
they're looking for in other words who
attacks the human race it's not
christian well
or my opinion but wait a minute i
thought it was a lot simpler than that
i mean forgive me if i'm being
simplistic but you can
cut things off jesus said know the truth
and shall make you free what what more
do you need to
be able to see what why do you have to
do anything else
why do you have to leave behind your
family what is your fault jesus also
said that if you want to enter the
kingdom of heaven you've got to
to stop what you're doing drop
everything and come and follow him
but isn't it kind of a violation given
that that's so
isn't it is it it's kind of like uh
we're having a man on this program about
a week talking about global ethics
he talks about two rights the conflict
between two rights
and we have a value on this planet
taught by jesus by the way
other masters a value about loyalty a
value about doing what you say you're
going to do
a value about being there and being
strong for those who depend on you for
those you have caused
let go of everything all of our supposed
addictions
you also said you didn't work well let
me let me finally do that correctly so
let me follow through here
do you work or do you not work probably
not in the classic sense
they don't have nine to five jobs what
do you do then
they go around the country and they give
these meetings and they and they live
off of what the universe is short
i don't understand what that means we
financed ourselves for
a few months on this project
however those funds were quickly
depleted
and now we go into communities
hold meetings and we literally
we ask individuals who feel good about
what we're doing who feel that there's a
reality to it
to help us with our needs but let me let
me let me pursue because you got me off
track here
i was leading to a very profound
question of course
yeah as opposed to these simplistic
inquiries that normally are generated on
your mind
uh but i was i was uh this is
i i was um trying to
to talk about the the uh the problem
here of two rights now we have if we're
if we are to lead
moral upstanding lives based on a system
of ethics and higher prior principles
then then uh this the the
the business of dropping everything
including your attachments including
your
your reliability just stepping away from
your children your parents your
your those elderly who depend on you
walking away saying gee i'd like to be
their dad for you
even as you were there for me when i was
young but this is not this is
this is not a institution that gets
propagated for out
all mankind to behave this way it's
right for humans to
take care of their families uh during
during the growth cycle of a planet but
there's only a small
window of time when the next
representative comes from the next level
that says okay
the litter is ready those in the litter
who choose to get away from the litter
and become a part of the kingdom of god
are now this is the opportunity for that
that opportunity won't go on
much past we don't know how long it's
going to be but it's a very short time
and after that that opportunity doesn't
exist and humans
don't drop everything and do what what
we're doing
so but during during this window of
opportunity we are in fact to drop
our relationships with our families our
loved ones only those who have
the recognition i understand but i'm
talking about those
those people would just say to their
wives honey it's really been fun until
they're four and eight and ten-year-old
kids
daddy's gotta go we understand and it's
difficult
and a lot of us have had to do this
difficult but forgive me it seems to
violate it it creates a problem of
ethics it seems to violate
something very deeply inside of us that
says wait a minute this this can't be
right it can't be right for me to leave
my six-year-old
crying at the door of daddy daddy uh in
search for god
and say to him or at least say in our
own heads i'm doing it because i'm going
to heaven i'm going i'm going to a
i'm a better person i'm going to a
better place
and if you need me too bad get through
your life without me
somehow do you see the conflict at least
tell me that you see the conflict
shake your head yes if you do you don't
shake your head no
we know that the next kingdom level
is a person can be of greater service to
his children if he relates to his
children at that time
we know that these bodies that the
children that you talk of are
are offspring from our our vehicles our
bodies
and our bodies are not us us
is the soul that occupies the body
and that that soul was created by our
creator
the obligation that we have to our
creator is much greater than
the obligations that we have to our
vehicles and the offsprings of our
vehicles but if that's so
why has every teacher who has walked the
planet including jesus taught
the things that we're speaking of here
about loyalty
but not stepping away from your children
about the sanctity of marriage
well i beg to differ with you he said
quite clearly that you have to hate your
brother you have to hate your mother
and and you have to break away from your
family if you want to follow him
why hate i don't think he might hate
literally
i think he might hate him choice of
words
not hate isn't in a sense that you that
you despise them despise them or feel
any ill will towards them
but you you hate the um
doubtedness but get addicted didn't
jesus love his mother
but he also stepped away from her and
said mother he didn't he didn't he was
killed he was murdered what did he say
to his mother when she was at the bottom
on the on the at the foot of the cross i
don't know this what did he say this is
this is pretty contrived
what did he say to her i mean if we're
talking about jesus let's let's get
honest here let's get real
christ we would like to take it out of
the christian
context because this is not just about
christianity
christianity is is only one of the ways
that the next level has related to
this planet they've related to this
planet in a lot of other
what now are called other kinds of
religions uh buddha
the uh the different uh
mohammed there's there's a number of
different what we look at now as
religions
all had their origin uh from the next
level they were they were
ways that the next level could use to
relate to
humans and in ways that humans might be
able to understand
well if a person came to your meeting
monday and really recognized who you are
the truth of this message they would lay
down their arms so to speak
pack up their backs and say where you
guys going i'm going with you that's
right some have
so there's room in your car where are
you going
i mean so to speak there's room in your
case well we at this point we don't know
um i think you'll meet a flying saucer
that will take you somewhere
we'll talk about that in a bit we want
to get to the phones we do want to hear
about
ufos and and all of that in just a bit
but the phones are
buzzing folks those of you who are
calling in we hate we're sorry to make
you wait so long but you see we're
having so much fun in this program to
help with you
here is there is no hell bomb no there
is no
to whatever it is with you not on line
one don you're radioactive
okay uh i'm still waiting to hear the
answer to your question bob
uh i'm asking good questions tonight
wouldn't you say so now i know
congratulations uh was that uh
you know you've uh reiterated your
guests have reiterated several times
that you have to leave everything
uh you know and hate your family etc etc
well they clarified what they meant by
okay oh yeah i don't think so but go
ahead anyway uh
and but then i'm saying you know in
relation to paralleling it with what
jesus said
his next phrase was come and follow me
now i'm still waiting to hear
what are you saying are you saying come
and follow me or are you just saying
leave everything and then what that's a
very good question don
a very good question if they were to in
effect leave everything if those who
recognize
the message and the truth that were to
drop everything what then would they do
it's really kind of where i was trying
to get to myself a few minutes ago what
then happens to the in fact
join your character and follow you or do
they start their own church on the
corner or what in fact do they do
play bingo every tuesday night or what
happens well they would literally come
with us and and do what we are doing
and we would help them to the best of
a direct relationship with our older
member with the one who
we feel is an older where where is that
person
that's my next question is um way ahead
of you now yeah where is that for i may
want to just drive there to hell with
you who needs an intermediary you want
to drive there myself
i'm just kidding where where is he is he
in the country in the states in the
world where is he
is he still occupying a body on this
planet yes he is where is that body now
well we we honestly don't know his exact
location
well is he in the country we stay in
touch with him how
by telephone well if you don't know
where he is how can you call him how do
you know he's not the devil
we play in a beautiful mind game with
you that's a good question we uh
uh we recognize him for what he's
for the the things that we've seen in
him over the last 18 years that
uh some of us have been with him and
there's
go ahead it's it's this gift of
recognition again is that we recognize
this to be
right we recognize it to be true for us
let me ask you this are you
superior to the rest of us no
but but you must be able to be if you
can hear what others can't
or recognize or recognize things that
the rest of us
lowly humans can't that doesn't mean
we're superior at all
well if you're evolving then you will be
superior won't you be
mean isn't that the hook you will be
better you'll know
all things you'll know good and evil we
feel that we are
now we feel that we're literally going
to be
children in that kingdom in other words
that kingdom is preferable to this so
david's definition still stands given
that that kingdom is better than this
one you will in fact be better
better off at least well we don't feel
that we
did anything to deserve the gift of
recording that that wasn't his question
he did isn't it isn't it
in fact your teaching that that those
who awaken to this truth will be better
off than those who do not
let's start with that is that in fact
the teaching sure
won't you be better off than i than i if
i don't wake up to this teaching or if
i'm not one of the
predestined ones yes
well if an individual like the
individual recognizes this information
and starts applying
the overcoming process yeah he has
an opportunity to literally move into
that kingdom and
have an opportunity for eternal life
have you ever met your older member
personally yes we have a relationship
with him now
how many times have you met this person
some of us has spent years with him
others have spent months
where does he go when he's not with you
why doesn't he stay with you he has
other work to do or why don't you stay
with him
why don't you stay with him because
they're on a mission yeah they already
answered that question he's given
us a task of going out right now and
relating
to people and sharing with others
the information that yeah
yes don we have to run any any closing
question or comment
uh no no i'm just intrigued by
everything that's being said and just
looking for
thank more clarification to our meeting
dolores is online too loris
hello dolores is one of them
no oh my mistake
i'd like to know how the heart figures
into all this i'd like to know what
what love how love fits into your
scenario i'd like to know what love
means to you what unconditional love
good question good question
speak right into the microphone nice and
clear well we feel that the individual
who came from that kingdom into this
kingdom
literally forfeited his vehicle
to come and do this task to give
individuals to give us
the opportunity if they wanted to
to move out of the human kingdom
and literally become children in in that
in his kingdom
i can't help feeling this it's
self-serving to want to do that well of
course it is self-serving
it is self-serving that's not love is it
oh sure what
serving is love well why can't love be
self-serving because it's the idea
of the antithesis of love we feel like
that our creator has a lot of love to be
given
an opportunity to creatures that he
created to become
one with him to become members of his
kingdom level and have
an eternal evolutionary path one that
never
you don't have to die this is this is
the greatest gift we feel
and the greatest kind of love is is for
a father to give
uh his children this opportunity so
basically
very cerebral to me it doesn't speak to
my heart
well it sounds like what this this guy
does is he parks his car in his other
world
and he moves between that world and this
world
takes somebody else's body which i don't
think is fair to begin with
and controls that body and then leaves
it behind when he's done reality i don't
like that
and deny and individuality is worth that
well this is one of the things that we
feel is uh is is necessary for us to
give up is individuality
we're we still have option to move in
any direction at any time but we know
that
that this doesn't speak to everyone and
if it doesn't speak to you that's fine
we're not saying that's anything that
there's anything
we're not judging anyone from this i
feel that
love is and everything else is beside
the point and we respect your view
okay thanks dolores well it's 27 past
the hour and our number is 1-800-449
t-a-f-k what is the purpose
well that's a pretty big question what
is the purpose of human life
uh what is the purpose of a of an ant
accepted on any level that you want to
respond to uh what is the purpose of
life what do you understand to be the
purpose of yours we know that your
existence
our lives are to become better servants
for our
only member to become a to change
and become literally a creature that has
no
we can't
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that you know our brains are limited we
can't even conceive of eternity
and clue at all yeah because it seems
like yvonne is about ready to answer the
question and rick comes in and says
what what is what is what is your idea
about that
well we feel that
well at least for us we know that talk
radio network
you know i i'm going to tell you how i
would answer the purpose of life is for
all of us to become
one with god that is the purpose for us
to know who we really are to fulfill
ourselves
to become the fullest living expression
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you're involved in that process even as
we speak
it's just it's weirder and weirder and
weirder
and weirder radioactive talk on the talk
radio network and will return
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and it's 25 minutes now in front of the
hour we're into our last half hour
segment
of radioactive talk on the talk radio
network i'm sorry go ahead we should try
to take as many calls we can if people
are interested in calling yeah
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across america and here's
sean on line one hi um yeah i have a
question
um you guys refer to your teacher um
is the person who is your current
teacher is that the same entity that you
refer to as
as having been incarnated 2000 years ago
is is the older member the same soul as
you as we refer to as
jesus is this jesus reincarnating
another saul that's your question
as you understand it well we know that
that mind that is in that is inhabiting
that vehicle
came from that same source
from that same level with the same
information
how do you know that what do you have
that could do how do you what do you
have that to compare to
well we simply recognized that when we
came
uh when we heard the information
we recognized it as information that we
had heard before
it pardoned me but it sounds like a form
of bondage it it sounds like
a a slave relationship to me it sounds
like a demonic relationship to me
why am i wrong well in fact it sounds
like the relationship of every cult
that's ever existed drop everything and
follow me
but beyond that in your literature it
states here
for example when a soul
one brought here by the next level
incarnates it must take control of the
body
to the degree that it ceases to perform
as a human mammalian
sufficiently to establish and sustain a
well-founded loyalty and that is in
heavy bold letters
to the next level through the older
member now that sounds to me like
somebody who is
virtually controlling you when a
representative from that kingdom
is sent the individual who
who recognizes it literally does have to
form a bond
with that individual it's it's it's as
if you're bonding to a new family
and that bond has to be formed before
you can enter that kingdom
you're bonding to you're leaving
separating
that's the design so you haven't
questioned it you just accept it
what if i told you that
i mean what if i said to you i am one of
those people and i know more than the
other person would you bond to me too
they would if they recognized you as
being one of those people but they don't
recognize then i could do anything i
wanted to with you i could tell you
whatever i wanted to tell you and you'd
believe me
we know that that individual is from
that is from
an evolutionary level above the human
level
let me ask a pedantic question as this
person this might seem like an insulting
question but forgive me has this person
done anything in your presence performed
miracles raise the dead
forgive me but done anything at all
performed in such a way
that would cause you to strike such an
absolute posture of
faith or or not is that a fair question
or has he just identified you and said
you're you're one of mine i'm just
curious i mean
in other words people followed people we
recognized him
they didn't they didn't come and say you
you you understood that
that part is understood but did you
recognize him by his works
as we recognized jesus for instance
jesus raised the dead and performed all
sorts of miracles
that made it rather simple for those of
us of any of any uh
minutability to recognize that person or
uh is it all a matter of absolute faith
okay shawna
follow-up question yeah this is kind of
more general
um i'm curious as to why they speak the
way that they do
um i mean it seems like you're
intentionally using very mysterious
terminology
um or you're not saying in language that
would be simple for the average person
to understand um is there a reason for
that or is that
i mean why you might have said the word
vehicle instead of body i mean is there
a reason for that
okay sean we'll we'll answer that
question in a bit but i don't want them
to
to step away from the inquiry that we
began began
uh on uh we have another member of this
group whose name is
lawyer okay um sawyer
sawyer um tell tell me if you know the
answer to my
question how did you recognize the older
member
was it by his works as we recognized
jesus and other masters who have walked
upon it or was it simply
by some other means well when you know
somebody when you've been
in a family then you know your dad you
know your
mom you know your brother and sister no
one can tell you that you don't know
them
okay now for us uh for some of us it was
18 years ago when we
came in contact with this older member
we saw him speak we knew
the things he was saying they made sense
to us there was something we had added
up in our own head beforehand
and all of a sudden he was saying the
things that we already recognized
so we said well let's go play this out a
little bit let's go see where this leads
all of a sudden we were with this
individual and he did what he taught
he didn't just say it he didn't have an
affair on the side he was completely
free of sexuality a lot of people are
like that right but we stayed with it
for 18 years and he never for an instant
even uh hinted of doing something other
than what he taught but why
why the why the insistence upon the
loyalty
well why our lord is a jealous god the
god is a jealous guy look at your old
testament
scriptures if you want to see he wants
some he wants somebody that wants to
give all
to him he doesn't want just anybody off
the street that has their own likes and
dislikes and
wants to do what they want to do he's
looking for a few good men like the
marines say
not just men but women you know there's
no gender in that kingdom
and what what we are demonstrating
by the fact that we don't see the
obvious you know miracles of raising the
dead and
the things that supposedly jesus was
reported as having done
we don't see that so our vehicles our
eyes we can't perceive that
and therefore be convinced in that way
we have to use what we know
as a basis of faith to proceed a step at
a time
and as you perceive a step at a time
with a belief with faith
then you receive proof and all of a
sudden that proof amounts to something
that you can't give to somebody else
just like you were saying
the sign of jonah that only jonah
experienced that
and proof is something that you two here
in this room
will never experience unless you proceed
well take a leap yourself and then you
will get
proof and that's how we've responded
marvin is online too marvin
hello are you tonight all right good
i have a little um
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blurry into this the same because uh
sounds like me the person is
doing this is bringing an apostate and
he's
started his own congregation he might
seem because he's gathered his
information from other directions
he's uh what we're told is
and the wicked will flatter those that
are weak minded and
and have them lead them by the nose down
to hell
with the chain i think you're being
jerked around on your chain you'll go
right now
all right just a minute let me finish oh
but stay in the line then okay
okay all right go ahead finish up
and uh i think you know if
these people think that some being has
come from
some other level of some other kingdom
there's only two kingdoms kingdom of god
and the kingdom of saint
and now that's where they're being led
to
the the one that they're not denying
that they're saying precisely that
marvin let me ask you a question with
all due respect to your point of view
you're saying that these people are
essentially the same thing
being jerked around by the chain and all
this and all that couldn't the same
things have been said about jesus christ
no no what made to differ with you not
only could they have been said they were
said and they hung the guy
sorry