world anything you can imagine so we're
talking from experience we're not
talking from
you know some kind of pristine you know
ivory tower
so what we're talking about is is what
our real experiences have been
and we made these tapes asking our older
members some questions
at the time we thought we might put
these tapes out in the sense of
going public with this information this
was done a couple years ago
we realized that it was sort of
premature and we did not do that
so we actually started going public in
january but
we're not you know funded by anybody
we're totally doing this from day to day
we don't know where we're going to be
next week
we're literally on the road in our cars
traveling
and giving out this information anybody
has any interest in it
and it's free everything that we do is
free
but if anybody wants to help us be happy
so you want to go ahead and do that
here this is not a giant
big screen tv that fills the whole front
so you may need to come down a little
bit to
be able to see it if anybody wants to
move down and all we really did was just
pick out 15 minutes from a tape that is
a couple years old so um
hopefully soon we'll have a new tape
that would be more appropriate for the
times
at least we'll give you an idea of who
we're talking about and
a feel for the one we call our older
member are referred to as dough
partly we've noticed from past
experience
that some people are expecting a certain
thing i mean
have flowing robes long hair or to have
a shaved head and a saffron robe or to
have
look like a college professor or
something they have a preconceived
notion
i mean i'm sure we all did when we first
heard about this information
and this way you'll actually know what
the person is like
and what it's like to remember the
kingdom of heaven is actually in a human
body and using it to talk to you
and it's you know i think
channel
um
as you can see we're not using next
level technology
the old wire came my country
thank you
but that might change my feeling is that
it
will be our last session of this series
we want to get right on with the series
we have some things to talk about that
kind of round out our our whole
clothes up or our summary our bottom
line
and i want to introduce to you jim
on my left who will be helping me with
this session and his partner
glenn on my right and
i'm going to uh ask that they
uh leave me questions as we have
prepared our little outline hopefully in
accordance with
milder members instruction
so let's get right to it and
i'd like to give you some idea
like we said that tape is a little bit
old and it's probably
not as appropriate to this meeting as
maybe some other material that might
be taped
in the near future but that'll give you
an idea of who we speak of when we're
talking about our older member
now we'd like to open it up for
questions and even is going to
help us feel the questions also wanted
to say that
if you feel like this isn't what you
came for and you know
this is putting you to sleep or whatever
anyone's welcome to leave we're not
going to take it personally
any questions
gosh we must have did a good job
i'm sure there's some questions trying
to figure out what they are sometimes is
the hard part
actually why is this all so vague well
what
i don't know anything more now about
who you are or who the representative is
than when i walked in the door a half
hour ago
45 minutes ago it just all seems very
very
vague i definitely have just as many
questions if not more
now well if you could be specific we
know that
you know you have to bear with us we're
not
you know we've been in seclusion for 18
years and our description of this
material is
probably you know lacking
and if you could help us know where your
areas are that we've left unclear then
we can help fill them in
i probably mean you're not
scientologists you're not so genius
you're not
that's right no what is this
it's a good question if we if we could
summarize it as a bottom line it's a
window of opportunity
for individuals to graduate from the
human kingdom into the evolutionary
level above human
that level is a physical level it's
equivalent to or comparable to
a dog graduating into the human kingdom
but it's a much bigger leap than that
and it only has happened this is the
first time it's happened in this
civilization
and it's not likely to happen again in
this civilization
does that clear up anything did not
happen two thousand years ago
none left with jesus he thought some
might go with him there was a door open
at that time but none were ready to
leave with it
so this is basically a migration for
souls that are we verify ourselves and
then travel on
is that what you're saying do we you
know do we meet up the devil's mouth and
take off at that point in time
well it's not that easy uh okay
is this is this a physical craft we're
talking about
yes however okay the physical on this
level
and your comprehension of physical is
not necessarily
going to comprehend all the okay
this this planet this garden this
environment
was created as an experiment the physics
themselves are part of the experiment
the laws of physics do not apply to the
next level as they apply here
they can do things with travel and
they're not restricted to the speed of
light they can
you know if if aliens can bend time and
space the next level has
technology that goes far beyond that
okay now the one thing you're not going
to find here is you're not going to find
an affiliation
with this group or that group or that
group
because the whole human kingdom to us
is something we're outgrowing and so
although we support everyone's right to
do what they want to do and we and some
have better projects than others
we are not affiliated with any of those
but
we are affiliated with a movement
that was begun a long time ago before
these physical vehicles can remember
where individuals were
picked just like if you can really
understand
a simple analogy which
uh it's like a rancher okay he needs
some horses in his
stall he needs something to pull the
little cart he might need something to
plow out a field he might need some to
ride
or to develop in some way there's a show
horse
he's got a need or a desire to have some
new horses in his stall
so he goes out and there's lots of
horses in the field they're wild
so he picks up he picks a bunch of them
he chooses a bunch of them
might seem like a random method but he
may even have a method of choosing
the horses just based on how he sees
them in the field wild
he gathers them to his ranch and then he
starts to train them and he assigns
people to help him train those horses
and some take the training some don't
the ones that don't take the training
they go back into the wild they're not
really usable for his need
but the ones that do take it he
continues to train and those horses
themselves
even start to recognize that they're
enjoying
the service that the other horses that
are wild would say
well look at that they finally captured
that one and they made them a slave
but all those horses that are in the
service of the rancher now
are saying whoa i'm glad i'm not out
there anymore just running around like
no direction and that's where we are
we're just some horses that were somehow
gathered around and uh
are trying to be trained how many of you
are there
well there's less than uh four dozen but
we don't keep track of
maybe that's not even accurate we don't
keep track of exact numbers
uh you know right down to the one
because some everyone's got the choice
to come and go as they please
within the training program if you sign
up for the training program and there's
nothing assigned by the way
it's your presence your presence and
your intense desire to be a part of it
that's the only signal there is then
you still have the choice every moment
of every day to say
this really wasn't for me i need to
leave
and we've even helped people over the
years do that and help them even gain
back
part of their life to some degree
because this isn't an easy
step when we talk about an overcoming
classroom
there's no blackboard i mean there may
be at times but
there's no place where you go and you
sit in chairs like these and you sit
listen to lecturers on the other hand
there are times where our older member
would be talking to us like we're
talking to you and giving us lessons
and there are times when he works on one
on one with people
helping each individual with their own
individual package of
all kinds of characteristics that need
to be overcome if anyone
ever expects to be compatible or not an
interference
in that next level there's a laboratory
for the next level to do
anything they want to do the weather
patterns they can
this whole thing was designed you
understand it's uh
and it's really a beautiful neat thing
when you can see it from the perspective
of knowing it's not a spiritual concept
that individual sat down and put their
heads together and said
how can we do this better how can we
produce an environment where
a soul would have virtually nothing in
it
and start to draw on information that
changes its behavior and it
acts differently and becomes a new
creature and then
next level takes it into their own house
in their spacecraft in their environment
in their laboratory and says
you can learn everything you can learn
how to even participate in creation
itself
not by breathing the breath of life not
by
envisioning something and it appears
not to say that very old members in the
next level could not do that
but the mechanism of creation isn't
an etheric activity
and so we're being trained how to be
beginners
in those laboratories
step well the next step for anybody who
was really seriously considering this
would be to talk to us personally
because there are you know different
considerations each person's life is
enmeshed in different ways but pretty
much what is involved as you
walk out the door of your life in a
sense you have to literally leave
everything behind and then in a sense
you come
and you begin your overcoming process
meaning that you come with us
and you i mean that's that that may be
maybe more where my question lies is
physically i mean as you said right now
you're on the road you don't know where
you're going
i mean where where would i actually come
to where would i go once i
go home and sell everything i have in my
apartment
we can't answer that right this moment
but we would work that out with you
the way it happened the way it happened
with us in 1975 and 76 was
after we attended a meeting we felt that
compelled to
pursue this we received
some information about a follow-up
meeting we attended that
and then we were given a point of
destination
for this individual i happen to hear the
information in oregon and i was given a
destination in colorado
i was gone three and a half days later
but each individual circumstance is
different and that's why we like to talk
to
individuals on a one-on-one basis if
they're actually considering doing
a stuff like this like we say it's it's
something that is
the most important decision the most
difficult decision you will ever make
in your life and we don't take it
lightly and we like we said we make sure
that this is something someone wants to
do
and knows what's involved we have a
number of people in the audience
that are actually with us who have
joined us since january
so and they may be able to shed some
light on it for some who
want to ask them who aren't you know i
think there was a
individual in a white t-shirt up there
i have a question
i kind of gotten some glimpses of things
some little bits of information that
i've seen
in books reading in
different sources not all in the same
book
that have led me to
a roundabout idea of what
what i think is to come
and it's led me here and i'm kind of
curious
what relationship this has to uh
meditation chakras energy
and like light beings and sources
uh well that's a good question because i
think a lot of people in the audience
have probably
as they start searching they start
reading more and more of these books and
you go in a good large metaphysical
bookstore
or even a health food store you'll see
on any subject
on this planet there's a whole array of
books
and they contradict each other and
at the same time say they have the
answer
so it's very very difficult to sort out
the misinformation from
the truth and uh
it's like the
the ones that we spoke of was the
luciferians the whole
way that they work here is to purposely
fill
these books with enough truth and enough
misinformation
so that you wind up not being sure we
can tell you this there's no spiritual
techniques
or meditation involved in overcoming the
world
and getting from this level to that
level
you learn to quiet your mind you learn
disciplines
but you learn it with hands-on in other
words
it naturally occurs the same way it was
occurring two thousand years ago
when you read the bible doesn't speak
about a whole bunch of spiritual
techniques
what it speaks about is you leave the
world behind
and you go in partnerships
you know he's you know where there's two
or three gathered in my name i'm present
same principle you go around in
partnerships and you do daily tasks
whether it's postering fixing cars
you know making meals to consume doing
your laundry
many many things that a lot of you
already do
but you do them not the way the human
would do them
you do them as a member of the next
level with them and the only way you can
even know what that is
is to have a representative in the flesh
to actually be an example
now we of course are not older members
by that we mean
we have not yet at least the best of our
knowledge
earned what the bible refers to as a
glorified body
in other words this body that is
genderless and driving us that doesn't
need to eat
sleep do any animal activities we have
not earned it
yet we're in the process of it the older
members that came here
had already overcome the world whether
on this planet or some other planet
long long time ago and they already knew
what they were doing
so they could very quickly overcome it
and teach us
now to get there what you do
basically is learn to do everything that
you do 24 hours a day
from your thoughts to your actions as a
member the next level would do them
and to do that since in other words the
way that you overcome
your human addictions is first like any
12-step program you identify them and
admit them
you say okay i'm an alcoholic or i'm a
sex-a-holic or in other words i have a
bad temper
the body i'm using the horse i'm trying
to break because you're the soul
in other words you're the one you're the
rider you're not the horse
so you're learning to get the horse to
act like a member of the next level
the horse is a wild animal it thinks
this is crazy
so what you're trying to do is while in
that hardware
change the software to be a match for
that kingdom
so you need hardware so in other words
you can't do it
while out of a body you have to have a
body but you don't need to do a whole
bunch of spiritual techniques all you
need to do is automatically
do everything the way you learn to do it
in the classroom that's why you call it
a classroom you learn to do everything
as a member of the next level would do
it
and you automatically go through a
changeover it's really hard
to understand because until you do it
we know we've done it enough not that
we're perfect but we've done it enough
to know how it works and that it works
you don't know that yet but we can tell
you that you go through and the new
people can tell you
that you go through automatically all
the experiences that will allow you to
change your thinking
behavior to be a match for that level
and it happens it's guided by the
kingdom of heaven
by the evolutionary level above human in
a way that we don't understand anyway
maybe they can help maybe we need to be
more specific
for instance
for instance okay the basic things that
we don't do
okay we don't drink alcohol we don't do
things at all alter our consciousness
the only time we take a drug would be a
prescription drug and we don't
automatically take it just because some
doctor says that's what we're supposed
to have
we might take it sometimes and sometimes
we might not based on
a lot of variables we
don't smoke cigarettes of course we
don't take
uh we don't smoke marijuana or do lsd or
we don't try to raise our consciousness
by eating mushrooms or
or we don't sit in certain positions to
do yoga exercises now those things we're
not saying these things are all
bad you know we don't do them because
they're we don't not do them because
they're bad
okay but we're trying to eliminate
everything that is an influence of this
world
that would take our mind and our
consciousness away from
connecting with our older member who's
here physically
who is connecting with his older member
who is not here physically
and so we've got a chain of mind with
our older members
and our old member is not just someone
who sits he's on the tape and he just
you know says these things of wisdom no
he's someone that in
any area any department and i'll give
you this is the bottom line this is
truth to the core in any area
if you ask him a question he'll come up
with a better answer than you've ever
heard before
now he's not an egotist if he doesn't
know the answer he tells you i don't
know the answer
and sometimes he says well i think this
might be the way it is
and you can try this but i'm going to go
in my silence and i'm going to start
talking to my older member and see if i
can get even a better understanding
so he's an individual that is not static
at all our concepts here we could talk
to a blue in the face about the space
aliens about a lot of things
and for all we know some of it's going
to be inaccurate some of it's
going to be accurate it's not that
important but the overcoming process
is something we can testify to right
down to the letter because we've
been involved in it with our own package
for instance
when thoughts are going through your
head randomly when you automatically
have a negative response to anything
that happens
when someone says something to you and
you look at them you say you're looking
at me kind of funny and
i don't like your attitude now i can
have all those kind of thoughts and i
can
live with those kind of thoughts and
think that's normal behavior
but in the next level they don't even
speak and so their thoughts are as loud
as a loudspeaker it's like telling
somebody they're no good or telling
somebody they're
you know why you have that ugly look on
your face and you're such a negative
person
we take those kind of thoughts and we
say
i don't want to have those kind of
thoughts anymore i want to recognize
that if there's
if there's anything you all could do to
me
i can benefit from examining it if you
can for instance we're in partnerships
twos and threes not because it's
something in the bible
we're in partnerships in twos and three
is because it provides a working
arrangement where you're
constantly faced with interfacing with
other individuals computers
and souls using those computers in other
words we all have the same desire
to rid ourselves of anything that
separates us from
what would be a beginner in that next
level and it's hard to explain i know
i'm going around jericho but
the point is that we all have
characteristics
different characteristics you get two
people together and they get married
and they find out that all the
characteristics they didn't like
even though they liked enough about each
other to hop into bed in the beginning
that lasted for a while and then they
found out well how do we live with each
other
okay now these partnerships they don't
have the bed to fall back on to
solve their problems okay so what they
do to solve their problems is
work it out figure out okay you got one
idea i got another idea
what's the right idea what's the best
way of doing this what's
what would our older member do in this
circumstance and he's objective
he doesn't have our he doesn't have an
interest in a relationship with us
you know like a physical relationship or
he doesn't need us to be his students
so he gives you an honest answer you ask
him
you know what's black and what's white
he tells you what's black and what's
white
if you don't ask you don't get and so
we're talking about
relationships where you're with people
around the clock
there's no thought of oh uh this this is
this classroom's fine right now but i
think i need to go down
you know then in the corner and get
myself a coke or a pizza
but we say if you want to go down in a
corner and get a coke or pizza go do it
but we don't know if we're going to be
here when you get back because this
classroom is a crew
of individuals trying to learn to work
as a crew like as if you could take us
put us on a spacecraft and we wouldn't
have a desire to walk in space just
because we thought it was nice out there
you know and be subjecting the whole
crew even to danger
so we think in terms of unselfishness
this is what the
you know the eastern religions talk
about not having self well we know what
that is in real life
how to get rid of self that is when you
care more about
supporting somebody else your partner
you care more about their ideas
their perspective than you care about
yourself and your own ideas
your own ego and your own you know all
the different characteristics of the
human kingdom
uh not to make this one answer too long
but
i think one thing then now that you got
us going
one thing that we may not have discussed
um thoroughly is that
we're talking you know we're are
definitely
separating what's inside these
containers from the containers
you know whether it's your spirit or
your soul
that is separate from your flesh body or
your container
your container your flesh body is a
genetic package that was handed down
which has
in a sense a mind of its own it's got
characteristics of its own
if your grandfather was grumpy in the
morning your father was grumpy in the
morning you're grumpy in the morning
you got it i mean it's there and that
might be something that you might
want to change because if you're on a
crew and they're depending on you in the
morning they know they can't depend on
you to 10 a.m
you know that's something that you work
on
you may not even recognize that that
characteristic is undesirable because
everybody in your family had it
and these things if you work with
individuals that
you know you may look at us here and we
may look pretty much the same when we
came in
we came from you know 180 degrees 360
degrees spectrum we had businessmen
we had hippies we had housewives we had
people who came from all walks of life
and that wasn't
you know happenstance that was the way
the next level put our
minds or souls into these bodies and if
you get partnered with somebody and you
were
a hippie and the person was a
businessman you're obviously going to
have
some differences there that are genetic
or whatever and you're going to
you know the soul likely went back to
the horse and the rider
you know the body is the horse i'm the
rider i'm going to get that
horse under control part of the reason
of this overcoming process and what
we're going through
is to learn in a sense muscle
muscle in the soul to be able to take
this machinery which is a primitive
crude machinery and get it to perform
the way i want it to perform
not the way it wants to perform not on
some whim not have some temper
tantrum when it wants to no anger if i
want it to have anger
and it's appropriate that's fine but if
it just decides to do it on its own
then i don't have control i don't have
the reins so i'm certainly not going to
be able to
get control of another vehicle or
container that's got much
more refinement much higher capabilities
and capacities if i can't control this
one
so a lot of what we're doing is building
muscle building muscle of control