Hello everyone, I'm Rob Weller. And I'm Lisa Gibbons. We'd like to welcome you to this,
a special edition of Entertainment This Week. And special it is. For the next hour you're
going to be treated to a candid revealing conversation between Barbara Hauer and one
of the world's most important men of music, Paul McCartney. His personal life has always
been fascinating. His musical life, his professional life has become rock and roll legend.
Everybody tells me so, can't buy me love. No, no, no, no. I've just seen her face, I can't
forget the time or place where we just met. She's just the girl for me and I want all the
world to see we've met. Falling, yes I'm falling. And she keeps calling me back in.
Doing the garden, digging the weeds, who could ask for more? Will you still need me? Will
you still feed me when I'm sixty?
Barbara Hauer is just back from London where she talked with Paul McCartney. And she's
with us now via satellite from our New York studio to begin a most unusual conversation.
And hello Barbara, welcome home. Thank you Rob, it's good to be back. Hi Barbara, great to see you.
Thank you Lisa. Paul McCartney is as busy as ever. He's just cut a new album. But it's the
Beatles, let's face it, that made him great. And it's for his involvement with the Beatles
that most of us remember him. Barbara, I remember as a schoolboy the day Twist and Shout came out
and I think it is now on the charts and climbing, am I correct? You're right, that was 1964 and I
think we've got it again Rob, through the courtesy of Ferris Bueller's Day Off and Back to School.
More Beatlemania memorabilia for you. Next Friday, August 29th marks the 20th anniversary of the last
Beatles concert in Candlestick Park in San Francisco. That's longevity. Boy it sure is,
it's fun to remember that isn't it? Yeah. Barbara, you had the pleasure of spending an awful lot of
time with really a remarkable talent. What's your strongest impression of Paul McCartney?
Lisa, a number of things struck me about both the man and his music. But I was particularly fascinated
by his childhood recollections, especially about his mother who died when he was only 14, but who
apparently set some very high standards. She was not only intelligent and independent, but she led
a very useful, productive life. After her, there were some other strong female influences, his Aunt
Jenny, his Aunt Millie, then a long romantic liaison with the self-reliant British actress Jane
Asher, and now of course his wife Linda Eastman, who's definitely a person in her own right.
Even Paul McCartney's dog Martha had a mind of her own. Now it takes remarkable self-confidence
for a man to surround himself with independent females when he certainly doesn't have to.
Naturally, I was a little curious about that, and the first question I asked was,
what is it about strong women that's so appealing? Their muscles, basically.
Love a bit of muscle. No, I had, there wasn't a lot I could do about my mom.
You know, I didn't have much choice there. She had me. But, um, I, what, do I like strong women?
Yeah. I like women to be themselves and to be, uh, quite intelligent and stuff.
I don't, I think I like weak women too. I mean, I, you know, I don't really think about it. I think
I just like women. You know, women. Your own mother, who died when you were 14, she was a strong lady.
She was a strong, strong player. Was it from your mother that you got your sense of duty,
your sense of responsibility to get up there and do the best you can with every minute of your day?
I don't really know what I got from her because, as you say, she died when I was 14,
and 14, you don't kind of know what you've got. You know, it's a little later you start
looking at what you've got in life. Um, she, you're saying she was strong. Um, I'm not so sure she was
kind of strong in the, in the sense of it, uh, commonly accepted sense of it. But I mean, what I
really remember of her is that she was a very kind woman, a loving woman rather than a strong woman.
Who was it that imparted to you to always tell the truth, even if it was to your detriment,
always tell the truth? George Washington. Aside from him, I know. Aside from George?
Um, Shakespeare. Aside from Shakespeare. I'm not, not your peers. That's the truth. That's the truth.
The truth. Because there's a little thing in Shakespeare, it says to thine own self be true.
And I always looked at that one and listened to that one. I thought that was very good advice.
I read that in school just before the Beatles happened. And so I'm not lying, honestly. That's,
but in my parents, um, just the whole family, where I'm from, one of the things I realize now
as I kind of grow up is that I was very lucky with my family, with my early upbringing. And I thought,
I took it for granted. I thought everyone had big Italian families. Hey, give me the baby,
Bambino, hey, and all that. As a fact, that I've grown up, I've noticed a lot of people haven't
had that. A lot of people have very solitary childhoods. John Lennon, for instance, didn't
have anywhere near as sort of strong childhood, although he had very loving people around him.
His father left home when John was three and he was brought up by, um,
a maiden aunt and an uncle. And then the uncle died. I never had any of those sort of tragedies.
My worst was when I was 14 and my mom died. Before that, I had it very lucky.
You had a nice kind mother, two nice, kind and loving aunts. The first relationship that you
had in your life, probably your great love before you married Linda, was Jane Asher. She was a nice
and kind person too. Are you telling me all of this is luck, Paul, or is there something in you
that gravitates towards nice, kind, yet strong women? I suppose, you know, I've never really
thought about it. You know, you don't kind of go around analyzing your relationships. Well,
I don't anyway, except when you get in situations like this, you know, and you put me on the spot,
Bob. Um, I think to finally get to the answer you're trying to get me to give to your question,
I think, I think I like flippant women. I like women just looking good. I like the kind of things
you see on dynasty and stuff. I mean, they look okay, but it's not for me, that kind of thing.
There's got to be something deeper. They've got to be like real people. And I think it's something
to do with the way I was brought up. After having so many groupies, so many fans, and they're still
there and they're still around. No way, Bob. Oh, story is- That was someone else you're thinking of.
No dice, kid. Hey, come on. That dog don't cut. All right, maybe you got your philandering out of
your system. All right, give you that. But with so many women flinging themselves at you, Paul,
how have you managed to remain faithful to one woman for all these many years? It wasn't easy.
I think you've got to, you just have to. When you get married, it's not worth it. It really isn't
worth doing otherwise, I think. Plus, you vow to, which, you know, is kind of important.
It's more than my life's worth, Barbara. Believe me. You will say anything to keep from saying that
you're really this decent person with these great values that likes good, intelligent women, and
that you're really a little bit square and a little bit home and family-oriented, right?
I'll say that. I don't mind saying that. You know, that's what it was always about.
I think we went through a period in the 60s of kind of trying to overthrow all that. I never
really went along with that. You know, people say family life is finished. Remember that?
It was 10 years ago. That was big. Well, I kind of just sailed through that thinking, no, it isn't.
You'll see. It isn't just a fashion to say that. I don't think it's finished far from it. I think
it's where it's at, really.
He's cute. You know, he's very cute. He has a boyishness that they were an unusual-looking
group, but he had that boyish quality, I think, that always appeals to women.
Next, the bachelor Beatle takes a wife, which didn't exactly leave the fans singing,
she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah. And coming up, McCartney gets by with a little help from his
friends, notably John Lennon.
Out in front of McCartney Publishing Limited here in SoHo, there are always some fans,
predominantly female. In fact, for most of his 44 years, McCartney has been idolized by groupies,
but the women who are actually part of his life are altogether different.
What kind of shape were you in emotionally when Linda came into your life?
Not brilliant, really. I didn't realize it, because it was the 60s and everyone was just
quite heady days. But I realized I was going through quite a difficult time,
because also the Beatles were breaking up, which emotionally was very weird. Because I'd really
known nothing else since I'd come down from Liverpool. They'd always been there, and it had
been my strength and I'd been part of their strength. I think when we split up like that,
it was very difficult for us. So I wasn't in terrific emotional shape, I don't suppose.
Was that hard on Linda? How did she react?
It was very hard on Linda. The main hard thing on Linda wasn't so much my shape,
because she reacted easily to that. She kind of said, we'll get you in shape, boy.
You know, that was easy. She was very positive about all that. The problem was the reaction from
what you'd say the groupies or fans. I mean, I wouldn't say fans, because the real fans
were nice and understood and have consistently been pro me and very supportive. The fans that
thought they were going to marry me were a problem. That was a problem, because suddenly
I was no longer eligible. So they hated Linda?
So they hated Linda in a big way. How did Linda react to that?
Shh. I don't know. I don't know how she got through it, never mind react to it. It was very hurtful.
It was very hurtful. See, the thing is that what we said at the time was, look, you know,
if we want to be really smarmy here, we are a famous couple now. You're now, because you married
me, you're now famous. You know, people are going to put you on the cover of magazines and stuff.
They're going to want to know who you are. And the game being as it is, what we really ought to do,
par for the course, would be for me to get Linda on a TV show and say, ladies and gentlemen,
my new wife, and really do a big presenting, you know. But we thought, wait a minute,
we're just young marriage. We don't want to do that. It's nothing to do with them.
It's us that this whole thing's doing. And we took that attitude, right or wrong. We just thought,
it's tough.
It's tough.
Well, there was a lot of press criticism of Linda, of Linda wanting to be part of your career,
particularly when you put her in with Wings.
Yes.
Now, how did you deal with that press criticism?
We just pushed through it all. That was the big thing that we did in Wings, really, because
looking back on it now, I can see what people were talking about. At the time, we couldn't see,
you know, love is blind. You don't see none of that stuff. You just got married. I mean,
that's all we were into. We didn't really, weren't that concerned with anything else, really.
And I think good luck to us too, because I love those years when you just,
those early married years when you just don't give a damn what anyone else thinks. I think it's
magic thing. Very romantic.
But still they lead me back
to the long road and winding road.
Looking back on it now, I can see they must look crazy for me to just sort of pick this girl who
no one knew and who really didn't know much about music and kind of say to her,
Hey, will you come up on stage with me? I think to a lot of people, they thought that's mad.
And I think now I might just think that was a bit cookie.
But the time it didn't even occur to us. Yeah, that sounds good.
How much of your sanity and incredible equilibrium now do you attribute to Linda?
Huh? A lot of it. A lot of it. Yeah, I do. She's a pretty smart woman. She's very different from how
she's thought of, as I say, when she does interviews, tends to tense up a bit and kind of
be a bit serious. She's obviously not like that at home. She's a real good kid.
She's not possessive of you. She is not.
No, this is one of the sort of rumors. A couple of, there was some girl who did one of these
tell all articles who really put the rumor about and consolidated the rumor that, you know,
Linda cannot stand to see me within three yards of another female. It's not true.
You couldn't live like that. You're not in the kind of circles we move in.
She's not threatened, but are you threatened by her career?
No, not her career. No.
Are you threatened by the men? Were you getting ready to say that? Oh, Paul McCartney.
I believe it. Why not? Because you're who you are.
It doesn't make any difference. I can still be threatened if I want to.
No, I'm, you know, I don't want to, I don't like seeing other fellas by Mr. R. Anyway,
she doesn't bother with that. So we're okay.
It sounds like you have sort of a crush on Paul McCartney.
Yes, that's true. I love all the Beatles. So please love me.
Do.
This is where almost all the classic Beatles songs were recorded from Love Me Do in 1962
up to 1969 with the album Abbey Road. In truth, you grew up with two families,
your natural family, and then with John and Ringo and George. They were family.
Yeah, that's right. Ringo still refers to us as the brothers he never had.
We're his brothers, you know, which is true. We were very much a family.
And I don't think I appreciated it quite as much as when now I see old films,
you know, of the Beatles and sort of see us going and doing that thing together.
You see how much we rely on each other.
John, more than any, was more like a sibling to you. And you have that sibling,
almost sibling rivalry. One encouraged the other while you were competing.
Yeah, it's a funny thing that I think it's actually a very good thing for something like
a songwriting partnership, because I think if you just give into what the other person says,
you go, yeah, that's great. You're not really helping each other enough. But John was always
the one for throwing in the great line. You know, I'd be going off in one direction on the song.
A song on Sergeant Pepper called Getting Better was kind of optimistic song. It's getting better
all the time. Better, better, yeah. And John would go, it couldn't get much worse.
Which is like brilliant. You know, I wouldn't have thought of that. And just have someone throw in
that stuff, you go, oh, this is it. You know, he's really, it kicks the song all around.
I have to admit it's getting better. Better, better, yeah.
A little better all the time. It can't get much worse.
I have to admit it's getting better. Now that he's dead, you know, a fact that I
can't quite come to terms with, I kind of, you know, it's very difficult for me,
because I'm not a public grief kind of person, you know, so it's just difficult.
The memories I tend to have are silly little things. There's no big things like you'd expect
to have. You expect to have wonderful, big, inspiring memories. There are always silly
little moments where he'd kind of lower his granny glasses and sort of say, it's only me.
You know, if we're arguing or something, it's only me. And just those little moments I'd say
maybe you touch each other's souls and you kind of value those moments. I do anyway.
I know you loved him. I know you miss him. But do you get tired of being asked about him?
Not really. I mean, I understand it. With someone like John, it's just like Kennedy's death.
It affected everyone. It wasn't just Beatle lovers. But you know, you've got to just look at the
bottom line is that we did a lot of great things together. And I'd tell you one nice thing was
that after John died in all this kind of chaos, Yoko took the time out to kind of let me know
that he'd, he loved me and that they'd had many as a little teary eyed moment. You know,
it was a public facade. A lot of what we knew of what John said in private. He was quite different.
Your feelings when John was murdered. I know it cut deeply into you and I know it's not easy for
you to talk about it. Did his loss make you look at your own life differently? Did you value life
more when you saw how quickly his was snuffed out? Yeah, I think so. No. Um, it's I just read
something a friend of mine, a friend of John and mine said the other day when he was asked by a
friend of his how he felt when John died. And he said, I don't know how I felt. And reading it
coming off someone else, that's exactly how I feel. I just actually don't know how I felt about that
whole thing. And I still really don't know how I felt. I've finished said sense of great outrage,
like everyone did that something like that just so stupid happening. Have you ever since Paul had a
friendship like you had with John? I don't think so really. And I can't see anyone going to come
through the making of the Beatles again, kind of with me, you know, and that was a lot of traveling.
That was a long and winding road, that thing. And we ourselves were each other's best friends, you
know. And so it counted for a lot. So I don't really expect to get better friends than that ever.
Oh,
Leonard and McCartney actually been the reason that I actually kind of got in
an interest in the song writing business in the first place. So one of my, I should say between
Stevie, Paul and John, we're talking about what I was shooting after in the first place.
The Abbey Road album cover was photographed on this corner. It was 1969. And although there
was a definite lack of harmony between them at the time, the Beatles presented a united front.
How did you ever get your creative juices flowing again after the breakup with the Beatles?
It wasn't easy. That's the question I asked myself at the time. Because obviously the natural thing
after the Beatles was follow that. And you know, I personally thought, well, no way, because that was
the sum of our efforts. And someone as talented as John and George and Ringo, by the way, they tend
to get left out of this sort of talent bit, but they're not to be sneezed at. Those lads,
they're very, very highly talented guys. So it was very difficult. Yes. I did it by just pushing
through, just by motoring ahead. You cross your fingers and you say something will happen. And
that's how it was in wings. Do you feel that the music from wings ever received the recognition
that it should have? Well, that's a kind of funny thing, really. Myself, I never really reckoned a
lot of the wings music. I felt obviously like with the Beatles had been a very strong period.
And I felt I tended to dismiss the wing stuff myself, even though I was in it and doing it and
giving it my best shot. You know, it still did seem to me second best to the Beatles. It's only now
I'm starting to discover it actually. Well, that must have been enough to make you want to hang it
up. It was not too pleasant, not too pleasant. But you know, it was the alternative. Didn't look too
clever either. What was the alternative? What was it? Yeah, I know. But the alternative was just
going on a desert island with your money and getting a yacht and sailing and stuff. Sounds
pretty good to me. It certainly sounds good. No, I'm not that kind of person. I can't, I like work.
I didn't like the idea that at whatever I was 30 or something, I'd be hanging up my rock and roll
boots. Yeah, it didn't seem right. It seemed like boring, actually, to just stop singing. I really
like singing. So let me know. So you know, I just wanted to do that stuff. And I had to find a way
to do it after the Beatles. That was the tough thing. The last time you toured was with wings,
a massive tour, all that equipment, all those crowds, all those people, all those amplifiers.
What is it about the roar of the crowd? What is it about the applause? What is it that appeals in
a situation like that, Paul? I don't really know. I think if I discovered what it was,
I might go back for more. That's a good answer. If you knew what it was, you might not go back for
more. Paul McCartney, that's a great answer. So it's something... I said something good at last.
Well, listen, don't figure out what the need is, because I'd like to see you go on tour again. Any
chance of it? You got a free ticket. Yeah, I'm thinking at the moment of trying to put a band
together, another band together. And if that works out, yeah, I'd like to go on tour. You say you
don't know why people treat you so well, and yet there's a part of you that feels that you deserve.
You don't feel undeserving. You don't have any false humility. I must admit, early on, very early
on, people used to just say to us, do you think Leonard McCartney are a great songwriter? And I
said, I'd be an idiot to tell you I don't. You know, it just seems silly to kind of say, oh gee,
no, we haven't really written anything great. Me and Johnny. You know, that's just stupid. I need
just a goofball saying that, you know. So at the risk of seeming conceited, I will admit that I
think that some of the stuff, particularly John and I have done, and some stuff that I've done on
my own, is pretty good.
I was in Ed's dressing room before the show, and they were discussing next week's show,
and he was saying to his producer, Ed was, oh, wait a minute, get that group from England back.
And the producer said, who? You know, that group he had on, get the bugs, get the bugs back for
next week's show. They're absolutely wonderful. Have you seen the bugs?
Coming up next week on Entertainment Tonight, Monday, Chuck Norris. A bit of comedy to mix
in with the action in Firewalker. Tuesday, Michael Keaton. Will romance win or will it be
hockey in his new film, Touch and Go? Wednesday, Gerald McCraney. For his feature film,
American Justice, his Simon brother, Jameson Parker, is his sidekick. Thursday, Sally Struthers.
Archie's Gloria goes for grown-up comedy in the series 9 to 5. And Friday, Brian Keith,
a veteran actor, takes on the kids in Disney's TV movie, Brat Patrol. All next week on Entertainment
Tonight.
This is number three Savile Road, the old headquarters of the Apple Corporation. The
song, Let It Be, was recorded on the building's roof. You are a very shrewd businessman. Other
businessmen respect you. You have made a great deal of money, other than to protect your family
and to live well. What does money mean to you? Not a lot, other than what you just said,
to protect my family, but that means a lot. And that's really what it's for. They say that you're
one of the richest men in the world, Paul. How rich? They do say this. They do say, I've no idea,
and I don't believe I'm one of the richest men in the world, but I don't mind if they say it.
Well, it's certainly not been the root of all evil for you. You have managed to live quite nicely
without spending everything you've got. Yeah, I'm not very impressed with kind of the high life,
you know, as in dynasty or something like that. That's not my bag. So, because I think it's a trap,
all of that. I think you get trapped in a sort of social strata with money that I've never enjoyed.
But money is power and it is influence. It's fun too. Fun for McCartney usually has little
to do with money, but he did combine the two in his elaborate video romp with Michael Jackson
for their 1983 hit, Say, Say, Say. Now that looks rather good to me. While deliberately
vague about how much money he actually has, McCartney knows pretty much to the penny what
is spent and is generally regarded as careful with the dollar. For his new single titled Press,
the filming was done in a London subway. By rock star standards, the video
is both low key and low budget. This was done in a conscious effort to answer the criticisms
that are coming these days from younger people and ordinary people who are saying that some of the
stars out there are just buying fame through their videos. Multi, multi videos cost a mucher
and the little kids who are trying to start with bands look at that and think I'm never going to
be able to do that. It's only the rich bands can afford that. So I wanted to have an idea rather
than the budget. Well, everything you touch generally turns the goal, but there have been
some failures. I mean, give my regards to Broad Street was not a huge success and you got critically
bombarded. How did you deal with that? Not very well, you know, because everything I do,
I want to succeed really. But in truth, I have done so much and succeeded so many times that to
fail isn't as big a bummer now as it used to be because I can look to the things I succeeded
and say, well, okay, so you lost one.
Probably the thing that John and I will do will be write songs as we have been doing as a sort of
sideline. Now we'll probably develop that a bit more. We hope who knows at 40, we may not know
how to write songs anymore. The Beatles made a cultural impact at every level from long hair,
the Carnaby street fashions to music, drugs and politics. Good or bad, their influence was profound.
There has always been some criticism of you as not being political and that John was the
great political person. Yet early on you fingered racism in the United States. You talked about US
involvement in Vietnam. Is that unfair that they've sort of singled you out as being apathetic?
I don't mind. I mean, I don't know. I don't think really anyone who knows me thinks I'm
apathetic. But you know, it's a hard game. It's the headline game. If I wanted to, I could turn
it around. I could be madly political. So, but to me it tends to be a bit more of a private thing.
I tend to be political in private. I haven't got that much time for it in public because I've got
a family. I've got kids and I read in the newspapers of how such and such an MP's kid
has just OD'd on heroin. And I know it's because he wasn't there. So you know.
Bringing up drugs is something to be brought up in the day in which we live. What do you say to
your four children? You who said in 1967 you became a better person from LSD. All the sort
of drug-related songs of the Beatles. How do you square that with them, Paul? Well that was then,
you know. And then it was a kind of an awakening. It wasn't all drugs. It got tied into drugs. I
mean obviously drugs was actually quite a minor part of it. It was a student awakening. Now what
do I say to them? It's different now. I tell them that it's much more serious now. There weren't
many people then who were into things like heroin. Heroin was a kind of fringe thing then. Now it's
much more serious. I advise them to stay completely clean and stay healthy. And I would advise anyone
to do that. But doesn't that smack of don't do as I did, do as I tell you to do? Sure does. And
that's the way it is? That's the way it is because they they can always tell me to shove off, you
know, and they do. But I'm trying to save their lives, you know. It's not to do with like I did
this and you should do this. It's not to do with that. It's to do with the fact that there are very
dangerous situations about now. Well there have been several occasions where you have been arrested
for having marijuana on your possession. You even spent a little time in jail. What does that do to
what your attitude is now when something like that makes a headline? And it does make a headline.
Yeah. I don't know. That's unfortunate, you know. So it's just an unfortunate occurrence. I mean if I
could have chosen I wouldn't have gone to jail, you know. But now that I've been and gone I mean it
just gives me an insight into the legal system. And all they did was lock me up. They didn't
rehabilitate me. Just put me in a box. So I mean how clever is that? I don't feel you've ever had a
drug problem that needed rehabilitating. Well you know I don't either but the thing is the law is the
law, you know. And if they catch you doing something illegal you're caught, you know. I know the risks.
I like the American attitude better where you tend to decriminalize that particular aspect with the
soft drugs. I do think that is a very sensible approach to it because I don't think it should be
legalized because I think it would become too every day then. I don't think that kind of stuff
should be legalized. I actually don't like to talk about this because we're in hysterical times and
we'll have headlines off this and it'll be misconstrued. I have a very serious point of view
on this which I think is a helpful point of view. But if you pull it apart and headline it up it's
gonna go the other way. So I prefer not to talk about this nowadays. The Beatles had a big impact
on me insofar as their songs. They had songs. There's something that what you could remember,
you know. We'll do a little test out there right now. I can name you any one of a million Beatles
songs and you'll be able to sing me at least a little part of it. Ready? Here we go. Eight days
a week. That's what I thought. Ooh I need your love babe. Very good. It works. Michelle, you're
singing it to yourself right now aren't you? And that's the beauty of a song. Over this wall is
the London townhouse where McCartney spent a great deal of time during his Beatle years. Currently
he lives on a farm in the country where his family can have a more normal life. Can you keep your
children normal, really normal, isolated from the marijuana, the headlines, the fame, the money? Can
you really do that Paul? I'm normal when I go home. I'm not poor McCartney. I'm not rich. I'm not,
I never got busted there. I'm just dad and I'm very very lucky that it is so normal. And people
don't believe it. Listen, come off it. Surely this or surely that. But I'm telling you, you know,
I'm not about to kind of make my kids go public and say tell them how good your dad is. Tell them
how normal you got brought up. But because I wouldn't want to do that to them. But we have
surprisingly balanced life actually. If you have all of this normalcy and all of this regular run
of the mill, going to public schools, no fame, no everything. Are you depriving your children of the
same rough and tumble experience of coming along that you had that allowed you to make yourself
into the man you are? Are you weakening them? I mean the other way would be weakening them.
Would it? Yeah, well what you just said, you know, they go to schools you don't have to pay. They go
to state schools. We call them over here. Now sending them to a public school, that would be,
they wouldn't have as much a struggle there, would they? I mean, sending them to a paying school.
They'd be more privileged people. They'd have an easier time of it. They're having the kind of time
I had of it. And that's why I say it's so surprising. They're going to exactly the same kind of school I
went to. So you're not shielding them from the same experiences that made you have character?
No, I'm trying to let them go through it. I think kids in my kids position, I don't think there's any
doubt they're going to have money. Do they know that? I don't know really. It's a say, you know,
we're kind of normal. We don't get into that. Honest, you just have to come and see us. There's
no, I can't explain it. I'll tell you what, our favorite show is the Cosby show. Our favorite
American TV show. And I know he's probably had enough fame and glamour, but that is a show that
we, our family identifies with that show in a big way. And you know, the kind of sort of sort of normal
things that they get into, the kid comes home with the earring and the sort of things he says to him.
I identify with Bill quite heavily.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Thank you and good night.
Suppose James came to you and said, dad, I want to follow in your footsteps. I want to be a musician.
I want to be just like you. What would be your reaction? I'd say go to it kid. Let's, let's form
an act. We'll have a duo, McCartney and son. I like it. I can see it now. The two little foys.
I know I would do it. I would never push it on him. I don't, they don't, I don't tell him to get
music lessons. I don't teach him anything unless they ask me. The main criticisms ever leveled at
you is that you're too flippant and that you use humor as a shield to keep people from getting to
the real Paul McCartney. Now Paul, I haven't felt that today. You know, look, people have got a right
to say what they like. To me, if you go up to Liverpool, you're going to find a lot of people
using humor as a shield because it isn't a shield. It's actually known as getting on with people.
It's actually known as being pleasant. She's slightly old fashioned. I know. And I'll tell
you people in Liverpool, they're all like that. They're all come in love, have a cup of tea. What's
wrong? Tell us your troubles. So that's, that's anti-Gin. I'm doing that, but it's a very strong
thing between people. Okay. So people are going to call it flippant. I'd call them too serious.
Occasionally it is flippancy, but what's wrong with that? Now I don't think that's such a crime either.
You know, I'm serious where I need to be serious. I think all the people that have had an influence
on your life, your mom, your dad, your aunt, Jenny, your aunt, Millie, even John Lennon,
if they could speak about how you've made your life work with your kids, with Linda, with your music,
what do you think they'd say? I don't know what they'd say. I really don't, you know, it's too
hard to be able to see yourself through people's eyes. I know what I'd like them to say. Something
like it was something to do with honesty or something like that. I'd feel very proud if
people said that because I think that's important, but I really don't know what they'd say. You know,
have a cup of tea, love.
There are places I remember
all my life
though some have changed
some forever, not for better
some have gone
and some remain
all these places had their moments
with lovers and friends
I still can't recall
some are dead and some are living
in my life
I've loved them all
One, two, three, four!
Well, she was just 17
and you know what I mean
and the way she looked
was way beyond compare
So how could I dance with another
oh, when I saw her standing there
Well, she looked at me
and I, I could see
that before too long
I'd fall in love with her
She wouldn't dance with another
but I saw her standing there
Well, my heart went new
when I crossed that room
and I held her hand
in my arms
We danced through the night
and we had a good time
and before too long
I fell in love with her
So how could I dance with another
since I saw her standing there
Well, she was just 17