...added a quarter of one. His car is actually seen at an intersection by a man who is the deputy sheriff.
I want to stop you there, man. Gotta go slow here.
Okay.
He leaves the party with Mary Jo.
Do they say, good night, folks?
No, they do not.
Do they say, folks, I'm gonna take me, the married senator, is gonna take this single woman back to her motel
so she doesn't miss the last ferry from the little island of Chappaquiddick back to the main island of Martha's Vineyard?
No. As a matter of fact, when Mary Jo Kopeck leaves the party, she does not take her handbag with her.
So it's perfectly obvious that she, at least, intends to return to the party.
Okay. So the senator and Mary Jo vanish?
Leave together, yes.
They vanish together.
The car is seen at approximately 1245 by a special officer, a temporary summer cop.
That's true. He is wearing, at the time, he's wearing his uniform.
He's wearing the uniform of a deputy sheriff.
He sees this car, which has been driven off of a road, and he gets out of his car
and begins to approach Mr. Kennedy's car under the assumption that these people, perhaps, are lost.
At the time that he does that, the Kennedy car is backing up,
and its backup lights are all over his uniform so that it's obvious that he knows that he is there.
What happens after this is that Mr. Kennedy's car turns deliberately onto the dirt road
in order, it is very clear, to avoid confrontation with a police officer.
Do you speculate, because it's impossible to know, Mary Jo obviously has passed on,
Senator Kennedy is not going to tell you, do you speculate that Senator Kennedy was rushing in the car
to avoid being questioned by a uniformed policeman that late at night alone with a woman, not his wife?
Exactly. In fact, actually, that is the expressed opinion of two of the police officers
who conducted an investigation out of the district attorney's office.
I was told by actually one of these men, what we have here clearly is a drunk driving case.
He's in a car with this girl. He does not want to be pinched for drunk driving.
So when he sees this man in a uniform heading for his car, he doesn't hang around.
He gets the hell out of there.
Did he drive off in a tentative and uncertain fashion as if he were lost,
or did he drive off in a decisive manner to indicate that he knew exactly where he was headed?
In a decisive manner and also in haste.
He was on a dirt road.
What lies at the end of that dirt road?
What lies at the end of the dirt road is an extremely narrow bridge that leads to a beach.
There is nothing on the other side of the bridge. There's not a road on the other side.
It's a sand bridge.
That's true.
What happens when the car reaches Dyke Bridge is where we'll focus our attention after this break.
The focus is what really happened at Chappaquiddick.
We're about to continue with Leo DeMore, who's written this incredible book, Senatorial Privilege.
Before we do, let me introduce Leslie Leyland.
He was the grand jury foreman on Martha's Vineyard who tried diligently to find out what happened at Chappaquiddick.
He says that all his efforts were blocked.
That's correct.
I want to get to what happened at the grand jury.
Right now, the car, what was it, a 67 Oldsmobile?
That's true.
Whose car was it?
It was his car.
Senator's car?
That's true.
The car is heading down Dyke Road away from the uniformed temporary officer.
What happened?
The car goes off the edge of the bridge.
He gets out of the car, she does not.
How did he manage to get out?
He got out of the car according to an expert who I talked to up at the crime lab, Massachusetts police.
He said what obviously had happened is because the impact occurred on her side that his car door probably sprung open and he was virtually ejected out of the car.
But there was no way that he could get out of the window.
None at all.
He didn't get out of the window you think he was thrown out as they say.
That's true.
In other words, the car is going up over and onto the car.
And he was out of the car.
Flipped out of the car.
In that way, yes, in that way.
What happens then?
He gets out of the water, he does not go to the cottage that is on the edge of that pond.
Don't get us out of the water yet.
Does he dive down to try and rescue this woman?
I have no way of knowing that.
I don't believe time wise that he would have had time to do any of that rescue that he said that he did.
He told the world that he tried time and time again fighting the currents, fighting the chilly water, fighting the dark, fighting the terror to pull her out of there.
I haven't any comment to make about those remarks.
The information that I have is that he returned to the cottage.
Wait a second.
His cottage is over a mile away, the party cottage.
That's true.
There's one I saw it with my own eyes 100, 125 yards down the road.
That's right.
Did he stop there?
No he didn't.
Why not?
Because he did not intend to report the accident at that time obviously.
There were other houses on that road also that he could have gone to.
They had lights on.
He did not go there either because it's very clear that he intended to return to the party cottage.
And when he got to the party cottage, he did not go into the cottage and say, my God, I've had an accident.
He hailed a person who was in the front yard, told him I want Joe and Paul, meaning Joe Goggin, Paul Markham.
Former U.S. attorney?
Yes.
He got into another car that was there in the dark.
It's extremely dark night.
Joe and Paul come out of the cottage, get into the car.
He tells them, I've had an accident.
Mary, Joe was with me at the bridge.
And it is Joe Goggin who drives that car in haste at the bridge.
He gets out of the car.
So does Paul.
They remove their clothes and it is Paul Markham and Joe Goggin who are the ones who get into the water to effect a rescue.
A failed attempt.
A failed attempt, but one attempt at some risk to their lives.
I agree.
It must have been at some risk.
How do you know these things, Lee?
I know these because of my long interviews with Joe Goggin.
Why did Joe Goggin talk to you, the cousin, the confidant, the insider?
Why did he tell you these things?
Joe Goggin happens to be a man of high moral courage.
And I was a local man who knew him.
He knew of me as a reporter.
He had read an earlier book of mine.
We had mutual friends.
I went to him, told him what I was doing.
He knew from the very beginning that I was doing this as a book.
Over a period of a year, he and I evolved into a relationship in which he could finally and ultimately tell me the truth.
Do you think that he was getting it off his conscience finally?
Absolutely.
He had to tell, he had to get rid of this terrible burden that he'd carried for all these years.
So Joe Gargan, Senator Ted Kennedy's own cousin, and an eyewitness to these rescue attempts because he participated, told you these things happened.
That's right.
Paul Markham, Joe Gargan, dive repeatedly into the Oldsmobile in an attempt to get Mary Jo, or at least her body, out of there.
That's true.
Did Ted Kennedy also join in those rescues?
No, he did not.
He was on the bridge.
Well, occasionally he would holler out, is she in there?
Can you see her?
Then at one occasion, Joe Gargan looked up and Mr. Kennedy was on the bridge on his back.
He had his hands at the back of his head.
His knees were drawn up and he was rocking back and forth and repeating, oh my God, oh my God, what am I going to do, what am I going to do?
Not how is she.
Not, my God, get her out of there.
Not, we must call the Coast Guard, the cops, the neighbors.
No, he said nothing.
But, oh my God, what am I going to do?
We'll be right back.
Attempt these many rescues.
The Senator is up on the bridge.
Time passes.
More and more time, the body is still trapped there.
No professional help has been summoned.
The men then go where?
Back to the party or to the ferry?
No, they get out of the water when they realize that they are unable to get her out of the car.
They tell this to Teddy Kennedy, we cannot get into the car.
They get into the other car that is there and proceed slowly because they are all in a state of shock over this accident.
And they head actually for the landing at the ferry.
What they want to do, let me just explain this again.
Little Chepaquiddick is a small island right adjacent to Martha's Vineyard.
It's actually part of it and in fact by some sand beaches joins the main island of Martha's Vineyard.
But the principal way to get from Little Chepaquiddick to much bigger Martha's Vineyard is to take this little ferry boat.
But hasn't the ferry boat stopped running?
It has. It has.
However, as they are in the car, Joey Gargan is constantly repeating over and over,
we must report this accident and we must report it now.
Over and over and over.
Nothing is coming out of the back from Ted Kennedy.
It is obvious, it becomes obvious that he does not want to report the accident.
Ultimately what he says to Joe Gargan and Paul Markham is,
why couldn't Mary Jo have been driving the car?
Why couldn't she have dropped me off at the cottage, taken the car herself to return to Edgar Town,
made a wrong turn and had the accident?
I'm going to stop you there.
Do you tell us here that Ted Kennedy's own cousin heard these words from Senator Kennedy's mouth?
Yes.
Do you allege, Leo, that Senator Kennedy was attempting to draw a tapestry of deceit to cover his own behind?
I do not allege it. I report it as it was told to me by Mr. Gargan.
You get to the ferry. Let's get Senator Kennedy, his cousin and his buddy Markham to the Chappaquiddick ferry.
All right. They're at the landing there.
They're at the landing and this argument is going on about reporting the accident.
It's an argument.
It is an argument.
Gargan is saying you've got to report it, Ted.
You have to report the accident.
Paul is saying you've got to report it, Ted.
That's true and he does not want to report the accident and he proposes to them that they return him to the cottage
in order for him to put in an appearance, tell the others that Mary Jo has his car
and then he's going to leave and say, I'm leaving everybody, I'm leaving everybody.
He's going to find his way back to the Shire town inn.
The motel.
And in an hour or two after that, what he proposes is that Joe Gargan not only discover the accident
but report it to police as having occurred after Senator Kennedy left the party so that he has no involvement whatsoever.
Now, Joe Gargan refuses to do this because as he told him and told me, our rescue efforts had altered the entire situation.
Because he and Markham had dove into that car.
The water, this is an extremely public area.
They were making a lot of noise.
There were the lights of the car.
God only knows.
Somebody may have seen them.
Have seen them and the next morning say, yes, I saw Ted and two other guys at Duck Bridge.
You can be placed at the scene of the accident is what he tells him and this won't work.
This alternative scenario that he proposes simply isn't going to work.
Leslie Leland on the grand jury sitting at that time, is this information you would have liked to have?