A white authenticated their entire collection after looking at it under his microscope.
Did you ever look at them under a microscope?
No.
The last time I owned a microscope, I was 12 years old and I looked at ants in my backyard.
I mean, I don't own a microscope.
If I had one, I wouldn't know what to do with it with a document.
The fact is, Robert White is a collector of Kennedy memorabilia of passports, wristwatches,
neckties, and rocking chairs.
He is not a handwriting expert.
White says he merely gave an informal opinion that some of the handwriting in Cusack's collection
looked like Kennedy's, and it's an opinion he no longer holds.
What credentials do you have as an authenticator of handwriting?
I don't have any forensic knowledge on handwriting analysis at all.
So if anyone ever suggested that you're a handwriting expert, they would be mistaken?
Totally mistaken.
Totally.
If you're not qualified to authenticate something, then why do you think they're holding you
up as the person who has validated their entire collection?
I can only say that desperate people at some point do desperate things.
Desperate, he says, because now the JFK papers may be worthless.
These documents now have what we call in the marketplace the kiss of death.
They're forgeries.
He's backing off his certification.
He was here the other day.
Why would he back off?
I don't know.
It's just because I'm afraid that they're afraid.
He might be afraid of getting sued by these people that relied on his authentication.
So because of that, he's changing his words?
It must be.
I can't think of any other.
He's given no indication to us.
In fact, we were told all week long that Bob White is standing behind everything he said
before.
Despite the evidence pointing to a forgery, Lex Cusack and Thomas Cloud are going on the
offensive.
They are filing a $100 million lawsuit against ABC and other news organizations, claiming
that they've been defamed by reports suggesting their documents are fake.
Excuse me if this sounds a little harsh, but isn't it bold to file a lawsuit against all
these news organizations claiming that they've defamed you when you have the leading document
experts in this country who are unanimous in their opinion that what you have here,
what you are selling, is a forgery?
We have 12 other leading document experts in the country who have the experience behind
the Kennedy Papers that say they are not, right?
Well, let's talk about the 12 document dealers and autograph experts who at one time or another
authenticated this material.
We talked to them and nine of the 12 said they have withdrawn their authentications.
They say they don't want their names associated with the collection anymore.
Why would they do that?
Nine of the 12.
They're scared, right?
They're afraid for their businesses, their own reputation.
Two of these people say that they were tricked into giving their stamp of approval, and three
of them say they're now convinced that most, if not all, of your collection was forged.
I mean, that's not a very good sign.
No, the two that you say were tricked were not tricked.
There are now just two handwriting experts on record who still believe these papers are
authentic.
Charles Hamilton, who is dead, and his widow Diane, who also examined some of the papers.
That's not very comforting to the 140 investors who have spent millions of dollars buying
up the JFK papers.
When do you get to the point where you throw your hands up and say, I want my money back?
I want the truth to come out.
I hope if they prove not to be true that they will pay the money back.
Let me ask you a very blunt question, Mr. Cusack.
It's been strongly suggested by some people that you forge these documents.
It's a pretty serious charge.
Yes, it is.
Your response to it?
It's absolutely incorrect.
And you, in no way altered or created these documents?
No, I did not.
Certain?
Yes.
Yeah.
Certain.
Lex Cusack may be asked that same question again under oath before a federal grand jury,
which is now investigating whether fraud was committed in the sale of the JFK papers.
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What?
Half.
She gets half?
I'll give her half.
Here's your half.
Maybe we can work this out.
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The all-American, family-loving, Bible-quoting Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's
largest Protestant denomination, and the Walt Disney Company, the world's largest producer
of family-friendly programs and products.
Seems like a match made, well, in heaven.
But last June, delegates to the Southern Baptist Convention's annual meeting voted to boycott
Walt Disney.
They are pushing a Christian-bashing, family-bashing, pro-homosexual agenda.
Richard Land is president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious
Liberty Commission.
And you need to understand that when you take your money and you go to the theme parks or
you rent the animated features or you go to the animated features, you're helping to
subsidize material in other venues that is going to be an attack on your values and your
beliefs.
Well, that's ridiculous.
We're not pushing any agenda.
Michael Eisner is CEO and chairman of the Walt Disney Company.
We are pushing in our corporate marketplace tolerance and understanding, expansiveness.
We are totally onto an ethical compass, a moral compass.
Now, why do you think that the Southern Baptists have targeted Disney for this boycott?
I think we're large, and when somebody attacks us, it gets their agenda into the news.
Disney is not Mom and Dad's Disney.
They're not Mr. Disney's Disney anymore.
They have moved over to the other side of the spectrum.
From Land's office in Nashville come the leaflets with suggestions on how to avoid Disney theme
parks, Disney retail stores, Disney's ABC television, Disney magazines, Disney record
companies, Disney sports franchises, and Disney movies.
So what was wrong with The Little Mermaid?
That's a sweet little movie.
Well, I haven't seen it.
The I am told from those who have seen it and who have watched it carefully that there
was the suggestion that a clergyman became sexually aroused while he was performing a
marriage ceremony.
The allegedly offending bulge goes by in less than a second, but if you were to slow down
a few frames of this scene, you might think the preacher was indeed more than happy to
see Ariel.
There.
Right there, right there, right there.
Okay.
Well, first of all, it's completely untrue.
You know it's untrue.
I know it's untrue.
We've gone back to the...
What is it?
It is clearly his knee.
Everybody knows it's his knee.
It's just people spending too much time looking for things that aren't there.
The Southern Baptists also say Pocahontas is an example of Christian bashing.
Now what was the problem with Pocahontas?
Well, it's another example of how they twist history.
If you'll go into the Rotunda of the Capitol, you will find that Pocahontas was baptized
as an Orthodox Christian.
Disney does not want to have positive portrayals of Orthodox Christians.
Because I'm on 60 Minutes, I have to act proper and not get crazy and excited and annoyed,
but that is just ridiculous.
I mean, Pocahontas, I think, is one of the most pro-social movies made in the 75 years
of the history of the Disney Company.
It's about an American legend, it's about a Native American, it's pro-environment, it's
about the Earth, it's about respecting one another.
By the way, she didn't become a Christian in the legend until after our story ended.
Do you at least see their point of view?
Do you understand or do you just say, wow, that's nutty?
In private or in public?
On 60 Minutes.
I mean, obviously, anything you say...
On 60 Minutes, I say everybody has the right to criticize and...
And in private, you say, wow, that's just nutty?
Well, on Pocahontas, no, we don't do everything right and we make mistakes and we do inappropriate
things and a company with 115,000 employees is not flawless.
But when somebody says Pocahontas is anti-Christian or anti-Jewish or anti-black or anti-Native
American, I say inside, deep down, they're nuts, they really are.
Yes.
Well, it's not just the Southern Baptists.
God bless you, thank you for coming.
Other conservative groups like the American Family Association and the Catholic League
are also boycotting Disney.
We ask for a transformation of Disney or Disney will go down.
And Southern Baptists like William and Dawn Pate agree.
The videos, those are one of the big things that we watch in our home, you know, our children
love the videos.
So you stop that.
Denomination leaders have calculated that if only one million of the millions of Southern
Baptists like Dawn Pate withhold just a hundred dollars, Disney is out a hundred million.
I don't know who else is boycotting Disney.
For us personally and morally, this is the stand that we wanted to take to teach our
children to set an example for them.
But the Pates live in Kissimmee, Florida, a stone's throw from Disney World, which their
children, 10-year-old Travis and 14-year-old Leah, love to visit.
I like going to Disney a lot, it's a happy place to be at.
But she doesn't go to Disney World anymore.
Do you get any grief because you're boycotting?
There were some girls at my school and I was telling them that I was boycotting Disney,
and they didn't really understand and I explained and they still didn't really understand and
they don't see where I'm coming from.
Do you support that?
Yeah.
Really?
Um.
You're not sure?
Um, like we can live without going for a while and stuff, but, um, it was a lot of fun when
we went to.
They had a lot of fun rides and stuff.
So it isn't easy boycotting Disney, but the Pates and the other boycotters believe that
Disney is encouraging the wrong values, and nothing upsets them more than what they see
as Disney's promotion of homosexuality.
You're so afraid to tell people, I mean, I just, Susan, I'm gay.
Ellen DeGeneres' coming out on ABC last season offended the Southern Baptists.
They say Disney owns ABC TV and should have intervened.
That was her choice and ABC's choice and I think has been very well done.
But what about the complaint that it's no longer just a show where a gay person is in
it, but it's a show now promoting the homosexual lifestyle.
She kisses a woman on the air.
I'm new at this, so I don't know the do's and the don'ts and the signals are new.
Well, first of all, we...