Thank you.
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Okay, you know who's here.
Paula Jones is here.
And to me,
after we clear away everything,
the whole thing
is about one issue.
And that is my opinion.
The President perjured
himself in his deposition
for the Paula Jones
civil case when he denied
that he had a sexual
relationship with
Monica Lewinsky.
Now, Kenneth Starr charges
that he possibly broke
the law again by covertly
asking Monica and perhaps
other people to lie under oath
too.
This is why Paula matters,
because without Paula,
there's no Monica.
And stripping away the
layers of the onion,
there really is a deeper issue
underneath the Clintonite spin
of this right-wing
conspiracy to get the President,
because I guess apparently
conservatives are not letting
the President keep his
pants zipped up or something.
And also, underneath the
feeding frenzy of the news media
and beneath what seems like
to me the total hypocrisy
of all the feminist
organizations,
not to mention the glee
that the conservatives display
believing they bring down
a Democrat president,
which is totally backfired
on them.
The real issue here
underneath all the stuff
is sexual harassment...
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...in the workplace.
And the fact is that both
of these people's lives,
our President and Paula's
lives, were altered,
and so was the life of our
country altered forever
because of what happened
on May 8, 1991.
Today we're going to hear
from the woman who has
recently been vindicated,
borrowing a phrase that us
feminists use in the 60s,
what happens to women
either matters or it doesn't.
Decide again today.
applause
After four years of living
under a microscope,
she's finally won a
settlement with our
President Bill Clinton
for $850,000.
Now that sounds like
an apology to me.
Please welcome Paula Jones.
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I'm glad you're here.
I'm glad to be here.
So what did you think
of that Deborah Norville?
laughter
She works for the same Joe
as I work for, you know.
Yeah.
She was real professional.
She's intimidating, though.
She intimidated me a little bit.
I've had so much criticism
and everything from different
ones and all these people
on all these talk shows
badgering back and forth
about my new nose
and about my new hairstyle
and everything.
Why are they, why did they
keep talking about the way
you look now and the way
you used to look then,
the way your hair looks
and nobody gets to like
the real deal?
They don't.
Why is that?
It's because they have
a personal issue, I guess,
with me instead of what
has happened with
Bill Clinton.
It seems to me as though
that they're not blaming him
for what he did to me,
but I have to look a certain way
or act a certain way
and they just attack me
and they go after the victim
and try to make them look
as though that they did
something wrong.
And they talk about my looks
and...
And they talk about, you know,
people in trailer courts.
What's that about?
I don't know.
I've never lived in a trailer park.
I've never lived in a trailer
in my life.
No, but even if you had, Paula...
Well, it doesn't matter.
People who live in trailer parks
are huge Clinton supporters.
Absolutely.
He sends his pit bulls out
to attack the people
who are the biggest supporters
of Bill Clinton,
who are the low-income people
that maybe can't afford
anything else.
And there's nothing wrong
with living in a trailer,
but the way they spun it
is though it was a pitiful shame
to live in a trailer park
and you drag a $100 bill
through a trailer park
and see what you come up with.
It was really sad and it hurt.
How much do you think
that the whole...
It seems to me like
we're moving more and more
towards a two-tiered system,
which, I mean,
everybody already says
we have in the courts.
Justice for the rich
and none for the poor,
and a whole bunch of other stuff
that goes along with that,
like elite people
and then the lower classes.
How much of that has to do
with the fact that Paula Jones
grew up in a working-class family?
I don't know.
I just think that, well,
I don't have a lot of grief,
you know, and like Anita Hill did
when she claimed that there was
a pubic hair on a Coke can
and that was sexual harassment.
All the now organizations
women come out for her.
They didn't mean...
I really don't know.
You know what bugs me about that
with the whole rallying around
Anita Hill, which, I mean,
I'm not saying it's about
Anita Hill or nothing,
like that, but Clarence Thomas
apparently is right
because he said that it was just
big feeding frenzy of a whole
bunch of white women
going after a black man,
and yet these very same women
turned on you and protected
the white man who has ten times
the strikes against him
that Clarence Thomas ever had.
Well, look at his trail.
I mean, look at all the stuff
that's been said about him
and all the women that have
come forward and different things.
I don't know why they do that.
You know, it's just...
It seems old.
It seems like something that...
It's just their tactic.
People like me fought like
25 years to get away from blaming
women for stuff that men do.
It's going right back, blaming me,
dragging up the penthouse pictures
that I, well, it was pictures
that I had taken with a former
boyfriend that was very humiliating
at the time.
I was 19 years old,
and they drug those out,
trying to make it look as though
I was a loose woman, and...
That's what they outlawed in rape cases
that you were not going to be able
to attack the victim's sexual past anymore.
And it set us back 50 years.
I think so.
The president set us back 50 years
of this whole situation,
and all of his pit bulls, you know,
that come forward and attack the women.
All the women that have come out
in this case, I mean,
they're not making this up.
I guess they think every woman
is lying on Bill Clinton.
They're not making it up,
and they just attack every single one of them.
And the thing that's so disturbing
to me about it is, one of the things,
there's a thousand things
that are disturbing as a woman,
and a woman who worked for the cause of women
for a long, long time
and paid a price for it,
which I guess you have now, too.
Oh, yeah.
But it takes away the tooth
out of something that we worked 25 years
to get where, you know,
if it doesn't matter if a guy perjures himself
in a sexual harassment case,
then there is no protection
of sexual harassment for women, right?
Right. I mean, that's just the way it seems.
Because any guy can go in and just perjure himself,
and then we say, oh, it doesn't matter.
Absolutely.
Well, that poor woman that was on one of these shows,
she got convicted and had a thing put on her leg
because she couldn't even go to her mailbox
because she perjured herself in a civil case as well,
similar to this.
And Clinton gets completely by with it,
and then they say, oh, he just perjured himself about sex.
Perjury is perjury.
He lied.
No matter how you look at it, it's a lie.
And he lied, and he should be held responsible for it.
I couldn't lie.
And under oath, they would have took me to jail.
They would have thrown me in there or anybody else.
Well, you totally freaked when you finally figured out,
because I'm like going.
I can pretty well figure out, you know,
your dad was a preacher, right?
You came from a working class background.
You totally believed in the American judicial system, right?
Yes, I did, absolutely.
And just like I said, too,
when I went to his deposition back in January
when he testified under oath,
put his hand on the Bible,
swore that he would tell the whole truth.
He did not tell the truth.
And naive me, maybe I still am gullible and naive,
I knew that day I was going to get the truth,
and I was so excited.
But when I left, I was so disappointed,
because I knew he had lied, not just about me,
but about the other stuff that was asked about my uncles.
We're going to get to the other stuff.
We're going to take a commercial and come back with more
with Paula Jones.
Thank you.
It was wrong that a woman keep working the workplace
and be harassed by a figure that high.
And it's just humiliating what he did to me.
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Well we're back with more Paula Jones.
We are going to go to the audience and take some of their questions later on.
But now I get to be really nosy because I want to know what happened.
What happened from the very beginning when the bodyguard comes down and asks you to meet your boss's boss?
Well we were at a little table because we were outside at the conference handing out name tags and booklets and stuff to the industry people in Arkansas.
And they were in session so Danny Ferguson was the bodyguard at the time.
And he was kind of...
And the governor had his offices in this hotel.
But tell us what happened when Danny Ferguson comes down and gets you.
You're 23 years old.
Yeah.
About Monica's age.
Yeah I was.
I was 23 years old.
And during that time, you know, when they were in conference, and I don't know where Bill Clinton was at this time.
He was kind of mulling around and he would once in a while come over and chat with us.
I remember asking him, me and my friend Pam, we said do you pack a gun?
Because he was in a plain coat uniform.
And he showed us his gun. He pulled it back and he was packing a gun on the side and everything.
Clinton or?
Danny Ferguson.
Oh okay.
He might have been too.
I don't know.
And so he left and I don't know where they went and it was in the afternoon.
What time in the afternoon?
It was around 3.30.
Somewhere around that time.
During a work day.
Yes. I was on the job.
That's what people I don't think understand.
I was working and he was working.
This was the governor's quality management conference that I was working at.
He'd come over to me.
He kneeled down.
Me and Pam were about this far apart.
He kneeled in between us and he handed me a piece of paper.
He said that the governor, I think that was the words he used, or Bill Clinton or whatever,
wants to meet with you in this hotel room number.
And it had a four digit number on it.
I looked at it and I said, well why would he want to meet with me?
And he said, it's okay, we do this all the time.
And well I didn't know what he meant but I do now.
I know what they meant.
And so I do.
And so I said, well I want to talk about it with Pam.
How dumb were you though?
I mean how dumb were you?
Well I didn't know.
I mean you're 23.
Honest to God, now I would never do that again if I was asked to do something.
But this is your boss.
It's so sad that you would, so if another governor asked to meet you,
you would never go meet another governor?
No, that's not true.
Probably not.
I mean who would think of that?
Who would think when they say the governor wants to meet you?
Who would think that it's going to be?
Something sexual or him wanting to ask to be called a sex act.
And why did they continually excuse?
Like well you should have known the governor wanted to meet you.
Right.
So as I'm supposed to know right away that it's going to be something sexual up in that room,
there was no bed in this room.
It was like an office suite.
And I didn't even think about it.
I mean why should I?
He's the governor and if I'm asked to go up there.
But I did talk it over with Pam.
And she said, well maybe we could get a better job or something like that.
And I said, well yeah.
I just, well I just worked there for not to do nothing for it.
And so we talked it over with her and she said yeah because she hadn't been there very long.
Because you guys worked really hard right?
And you thought.
Yes.
And we thought well maybe we could get a job in the governor's office.
Right.
And so we decided, yeah she said okay I'll watch your post.
You go up there for five minutes or ten minutes.
It's such an innocent thing when you're, I can see it in your life with like where you came from.
Absolutely.
You were like kind of, I don't want to say backwards but you kind of were backwards.
I was.
I was from the country.
You're a total country.
Yeah.
I was.
I still am.
I mean I talk still country too but I can't help it.
But you know so I talked it over with her.
She said, well I will keep the time you know because we didn't want to get in trouble for me.
You may want to wait for my desk or whatever.
She said, well I'll just tell them that they sent for you to come up there.
And so he came back over to see if I was going to go.
And then I said okay I'll go up there.
And he escorted me up to the room.
And the door was just ajar a little bit.
And he pointed me out, pointed the door out to me just a few feet away.
And he stood outside.
He had a chair out there.
So you go in the door.
There's the governor.
I knocked on the door facing him.
Yeah.
And he opened the door.
And of course.
The governor opened the door?
Yeah.
He opened the door.
And he already had his suit coat off.
I remember because me and Pam were making fun of him because he had these really tight,
ugly, out of date suit on that was too short for him.
And he was kind of overweight then.
And we were making fun of him.
And then Trippie Ferguson said that I said he looked cute or something.
Well that is, we were making fun of him.
Like what did you say about him?
Because he was, well his, we thought well him being the governor he could wear better
suits than that.
This sucker was too short and it was out of date.
And it was kind of an off tan color.
It was just, he was just overweight back then.
He's had weight problems up and down.
And it was just.
Well I mean it's true.
And he was overweight.
And we were making fun of him.
But when I opened up the door, well when he, we opened it up.
Yeah he already had his suit.
He was unloosening his tie, his suit coat was off.
Okay.
I noticed that right away.
But I didn't think nothing of it.
And he was kind of loosening his tie as he was opening the door up.
And I walked in, he introduced himself and I introduced myself.
Were you freaked first of all?
You had never met him before right?
No I never met him.
I was just, I was excited at that time.
You know I was excited then.
I was meeting the governor.
What does he want to meet with me for?
And so, and now I found out.
So then what happened?
He going to sit down, fall out?
Does he even ask you to sit down?
No, I don't think so.
What did he start talking to you about?
I walked in and he was talking to me about which area do you work in.
And I told him I worked, he knew I worked for AIDC because that was the group that put on the conferences.
He said what part do you work in?
And I told him and he said well, oh he said well Dave Harrington is a close friend of mine.
He said he appointed him to that job.
Was that your boss?
He was my immediate supervisor, yeah.
He was the director.
So he's schmoozing you.
He's schmoozing you.
And he was shaking, oh boy.
Yeah, and I thought, I didn't know anything was coming at this point.
And then it was just a few minutes later.
We were over by the window because we were way up tall in the, I don't know what floor we were on.
And there was the river, Arkansas River flows right down below.
And I was over at the window looking out because it was a beautiful view.
And he came over there and he turned around because I was looking out this way.
You're looking out the window.
Yeah.
And he turned around and he was kind of leaning up against the windowsill.
They're kind of high.
He's kind of sitting on it.
Yeah, kind of, yeah.
And we were talking.
And then the next thing you know it, you know.
You remember what you were talking about?
No, I don't.
I just remember asking him some things about what Hillary was doing.
She was doing a lot of things for the children and stuff like that in schools and stuff.
And I was talking to her about that.
But I really don't recall what we were talking about at each specific time.
But we weren't talking about sex or anything like that.
And while he was talking to me, he just, as though he wasn't, he was talking to me,
but he was doing this as we were talking and started grabbing me up.
By your arms?
Yes, by my hands.
He picked my arms up because they were down behind the side of me.
He picked them up and pulled me over to him.
And he started to kiss me.
And I said, what are you doing?
I said, no, stop.
And then I backed away and I walked over.
The room was really big.
I walked over and there was a winged back chair.
And I walked over near it because it was closer to the door.
And he come over and followed me.
And I was still trying to talk to him.
I don't know at this point.
Maybe we were still talking.
How come you were still talking to him after he tried to kiss you?
Why didn't you slap him or something?
I didn't know what to do.
Was your head like all in a big old uproar?
I was terrified.
At this point in time, I knew the governor had his body card outside the door.
I knew he had a gun because he showed it to me.
And I was scared to death.
I really was.
I mean, maybe it sounds funny, but I was really scared.
And I thought, how am I going to get out of here?
Did you feel like you had been picked up like a piece of meat and thrown to the lion?
Yeah, well at this point I was trying to still get out.
And I thought, how am I going to get out?
If I run out, what's going to happen?
And I even thought, what am I being videotaped?
Am I being set up?
I didn't know.
All these things were going through my mind.
And until you're in the position, you don't know what you do until you're in that position.
If it was just like maybe just a regular boss, this was the governor.
And I was excited to meet him.
And I was really confused when he started making passes at me.
And so he tried it again.
He pulled me again.
And this time his hand went up my sculot leg, was up and trying to go up to my crotch area.
And he was kissing me on the neck.
And I pulled away and said, stop.
I said, I'm not that kind of girl.
And I said, I don't know.
We were talking again.
Did he kind of think that was cute?
That you said, I'm not that kind of girl?
I don't know, but I think he does like to get caught or either like, you know, for women to reject him, I think.
And he keeps trying more.
I think that's just him.
I think he's got a sickness.
Yeah, because I mean, here they're on him.
They're on to him for like four years and he doesn't stop then.
No, he doesn't.
He almost loses everything.
With Monica Lewicki.
How many times?
Right.
And I've had this suit going on for four and a half years.
And he's been sitting there doing stuff with her in the Oval Office.
And I think he just likes that excitement or whatever.
Well, a lot of guys are like that.
I guess.
Well, I want to hear about him pulling his pants down, but I have to do a damn commercial for him.
We'll be right back with Paula Jones.
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We're back with Paula Jones.
So, okay, now we're up to the part where he's going to drop his pants.
All right.
Tell me about that and how freaked out are you at that point?
Well, I was already scared.
He stands up and pulls his pants down, right?
Yeah, he was standing.
I was over by the chair, sitting by the, like on the chair arm.
It's a big chair.
It's a big couch thing.
I was kind of leaning up.
I said, what am I going to, I was thinking, am I going to dart out the door?
What am I going to do?
Because it was the closest to the door.
I didn't know how to do it.
I was easing across the floor so I could get as close to the door as I could.
And the next thing you know it, I turned around.
He had his pants pulled down.
It was sitting on the couch because I was right here sitting on the arm chair, just kind of leaning more or less, not really sitting.
And he had pulled his pants down and he exposed himself.
I mean, it was all the way to the floor.
And you know with, people say, well, how do you know, was it hard to get his pants down?
How did you not know?
Well, you know, dress slacks are kind of, you know, easy to get off or whatever.
And he had just dropped them all the way down, had kind of leaned.
He was kind of leaning back.
His rear end was closer to the edge and he was leaning back like this.
And he was exposed.
He was fondling himself.
And he asked me if I would kiss it.
And it was...
What did you do?
Well, I got really, I was like terrified.
And I said, no, I'm not that kind of girl.
And I jumped up and I said, I've got to be going.
I've got to be getting back to the room, getting back down to the hotel, the desk.
And he said, well, I don't want to make you do something you don't want to do.
But he was still sitting there fondling himself.
And his face was just beet red.
You could tell when I said no that I meant it this time.
Well, he proceeded to pull up his pants and everything.
And I walked over to the door and before I left out, he said,
if you have any problems, have Dave Harrington call me immediately.
Your boss.
Which was my, his good friend.
And because I was scared I was going to get in trouble anyway.
And he opened the door.
And before I left out, he put his hand on it for a few moments.
And he said, you're a smart girl.
Let's keep this between ourselves.
Now that was a threat.
Or you know, it was a threat.
Don't tell nobody.
Or you know what you're going to get.
You're smart.
Don't do it.
I mean, that was a threat.
And I've heard other people say, well, she wasn't threatened.
Well, I was threatened.
He threatened me himself.
Keep it quiet.
Don't tell anybody.
And then I left out and I walked down the hall.
Do you think that it's possible that this is just his MO?
I mean, it seems like maybe.
You know, you weren't the first one probably.
We don't know.
You know, we all assume that, you know, that was something that was going on for a long time.
Oh, yeah.
But I didn't know that at the time.
No, you didn't know.
But now looking back, do you think that maybe this was just his MO that the guy goes and,
well, they've said that they go find him girls and they bring him up.
That's what they do.
They said it's a, yeah, because.
And he's just so used to dropping his pants and asking somebody to kiss his penis.
And he thought they would do it.
I felt I did something wrong.
After I went to the hotel room, I felt dirty.
I felt like that I was the one who did something wrong instead of what he just did to me.
So that's the classic.
Yeah, I felt like I was the dirty one that I had done something wrong.
And I was afraid to let her know that because I thought I had done something wrong for even going up to the stupid room.
And I wouldn't do that.
Did you just see it in your head?
The whole thing that was going to play out that could you just see the way it was going to play out that you were going to get blamed and you were going to get shamed and you were going to bear the whole brunt of it?
That's what I felt because I felt like I did something wrong after I went up there and seen what had happened.
I thought why not even go up there?
But now, yeah, I've been blamed for it all that, you know, it's my fault because I've brought it forward and exposed this man.
And I think I've done something good for women in America, actually.
How many women here have had that on the job with your boss?
How many women have, well, me included, I mean, I had this one boss.
This was like the worst.
I'll tell the story real quick.
I had this boss.
I worked at this pizza place.
I was 18 years old, 17.
And I go in there every day and he told me, I mean, it's so stupid.
I was.
But I go sit and he wanted me to sit on the stool and smoke.
And I go, well, when am I supposed to clean the pizza ovens, you know?
And no, this is for real.
But he wanted you to sit on the stool and smoke?
Yeah.
For what?
I don't know, but he was paying me $7 an hour.
And I thought I just did it because I needed the money.
And, you know, and that was my job.
And I thought, well, he's just kind of a loony guy.
He's old and everything.
And then, like, he'd tell me to clean the pizza ovens and he made me get up on this ladder and bend way over into cleaning the pizza oven.
But I want, it was my first job.
Yeah, absolutely. And you're going to do what you're asked or whatever.
Check this out though.
Later, when I come back to get to go to work, like three days after that, the job only lasted three days.
They go, that guy's the janitor.
Oh, all right.
Yeah.
So I think it happens.
I think it happens all the time.
And when these guys are allowed to get away with it and, you know, I never told nobody either because I knew what they would say about me.
Absolutely, because it would be your fault.
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Hi, we're back with Paula Jones.
We're going to go to the audience for some questions.
I'm starting with you, ma'am.
Paula, I'd like to ask you a question.
Has this long ordeal made you a stronger woman?
Absolutely, it has.
I have grown as a person in the last four years.
I've learned a lot about everything, I think,
and about sexual harassment.
It has made me a very much stronger woman.
And now you've kind of decided that this is a cause you're going to champion,
right, you're going to go around and do a lot of lectures and stuff on that?
Oh, I would love to, yes.
I mean, because I want women to know what it's like to get that kind of abuse
in the workplace and have your boss make passes at you,
and then you feel like you can't say anything.
And I want him to come forward and to be able to talk about it.
Okay, thank you.
Thanks.
Should I go over here now, mister?
Hi, mister.
Hi.
What's your question?
Paula, at first I thought that you were attacking the president.
Now I've changed my mind.
I don't think the president should be impeached,
but I was wondering if you still think he should be impeached.
Yeah, and let me explain why.
He lied to the American people.
He wagged his finger at you and every one of us,
and he lied and let all of his people who worked for him go out for seven months
or more knowing that he was lying and defend him.
But he knew that he was lying to them,
but they went out and told the whole world that he didn't do it,
and then he wagged his finger and said,
I didn't have sex with that woman, I didn't have any kind of relationship with her.
He should be impeached.
He lied, and he perjured himself under oath in my deposition.
I think he should be impeached.
Thank you.
Yes, sir?
Miss Jones, one question.
Are you an opportunist?
No.
No, I'm not.
Is that something that makes you upset to hear it, doesn't it?
Well, yeah.
I mean, after everything I'm saying out here, you know,
and they still think I'm an opportunist, I don't understand that.
I have a right to come on.
You have two kids, and you guys live in a one-room apartment, don't you?
Absolutely.
We live in a one-room apartment.
And probably how much of that money then the settlement you got is owed?
Oh, I owe 3.5 million in legal fees,
and so I can't see where people would think that I would get very much money, if any, out of it.
And it's not like I'm doing anything else to make any money.
Was the time that you were doing it, the four years where you were under that microscope,
were you like dedicated?
What kept you going?
Just the truth, because I knew I was telling the truth, and the truth will set you free.
And we've struggled for four and a half years.
My husband has lost his job because of this.
I mean, we have been financially strapped, I mean, many, many times
when people would be out saying they're living off the legal fund, which was a blatant lie.
And it's been a hard process, but the truth matters more than anything is the truth.
And I knew that it would come out, and I knew I was telling the truth.
I don't think that's an opportunity.
Yes, ma'am?
Hi.
How has your perception of the media changed since you've been getting so much attention?
Oh my God, that's such a great question. I'm so glad you asked that.
Um, well, I don't know. They can be really, really vicious.
Like, you know, dogs attacking, they attack each other even.
You know, I mean, it's been really, really difficult as far as the media would be on the other side,
and be against me, and I would still have to fight even with the media,
even if some people would go out there and talk for me, or to try to protect me,
as far as what the media said about me, they would get attacked.
So the media hasn't really given me a really good fair share, but I think they have been lately.
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I guess you're next, ma'am.
Alright. I'd like to ask you Paula, the very first time you met him before he dropped his pants,
did you find him sexy? Did you find Bill sexy?
No. That's like I said, well we were making fun of him.
Because his hair was kind of long and it was grayish looking and he had this tight suit on that didn't fit him very good.
Not at all.
Well I met him and I thought he was real sexy. I have to say I did.
Well I did.
I think that's the difference though. That's the difference because like, you know,
if I was to meet him and I wasn't married, you know, and if he wasn't married and all that,
and I invited him to drop his pants, I would have gone for it, you know.
I would have.
I think, you know, the whole thing is you didn't ask for it.
You didn't ask him to drop his pants and you didn't think he was cute.
Absolutely.
So let's go to the next question.
Yes, ma'am.
Hello, how are you?
Did you have any prior sexual encounters with the president then governor before that dreadful day?
Oh no, I never met him. First time I ever seen the man in person ever.
Oh, okay.
Because just a few minutes before that he was standing out from our table
and he was giving interviews and stuff and that was the closest I'd ever seen him in person or anything.
Why would you ask that?
I don't know.
You know, it's like maybe she had sex with him prior and then at a certain time in the hotel room
she didn't want to have sex anymore.
Ah!
That's so funny, girl.
No, that's not true.
I don't know.
No, I never met him before.
Just my personal opinion.
Okay.
No offense.
Opinion based on what?
Opinion has to be based on something.
Based on a set up.
You think she set the president up?
A lot of people think you set the president up.
Oh, that's so funny.
Just like all these under hundreds of women set the president up, I guess.
What did they set him up for?
To impeach him.
To lie to the country?
To impeach him.
Well, he has to be available to be set up first.
Money?
No, he has to be available to be set up.
If he was going to be set up, he would have to be that type of person to fall into the trap of other women.
Why didn't you back off when he tried that first pass?
Why didn't you back off?
Well, that's a good question and I respect that.
That's a good question.
But I was scared, like I said.
You were scared.
I knew there was a bodyguard with a state trooper.
He was his bodyguard who had a gun.
And this was the governor.
First time I'd ever met him.
And it was just very scary.
And I didn't know what to do.
I didn't know how to get out without getting in trouble or maybe them doing something to me or whatever.
So you thought he was going to shoot you if you ran?
Well, he could have.
I mean, you know what?
If women are not going to be present for women, what the hell are we doing?
That's right.
Yeah, ma'am?
Paula, I was wondering, what are your thoughts regarding Chelsea Clinton hearing all about her dad?
I feel sorry for her because she's the victim in all of this.
I feel very sorry for her, but her father chose this route.
And he had to think about Chelsea before he decided to do all this stuff, knowing it would come out.
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We're going to take one more question, ma'am.
Paula, I think you've shown a lot of courage in pursuing this cause on sexual harassment.
And the only problem I have is that it would appear that you first of all went to what would be termed the right wing of the country,
which has never been for women's rights or against sexual harassment.
And I was wondering what prompted you to go to them first rather than the women's movement or nine to five working women or somebody.
I'm so glad you asked that question.
That's a good question.
Oh, that's a great question.
Because what a lot of people don't know and probably the majority of Americans don't know, I had my first attorney was a yellow dog Democrat.
He was from Arkansas.
And what does yellow dog Democrat mean?
Democrat.
I mean, everything supported Clinton and everything.
Their whole family did.
He was a real estate lawyer, but he knew that I had a claim and that he believed me and wanted to help me.
And so what he did was he started contacting different groups and organizations, the now organization, different ones to say, can she she's got you've got to hear her.
She's she's telling the truth.
You know, you've got to hear what she has to say.
How can she bring this out?
Nobody would help me.
No went to the now organization.
Different ones.
They turned their backs on me.
Why do you think they wouldn't?
Because it was their man.
This is Bill Clinton.
This is their man.
And I'm a woman and they're supposed to support all women and back up all women and their claims.
But they wouldn't even give me a chance to listen to me.
They wouldn't even meet with me or listen to me.
And Patricia Ireland would say that she did try, but she didn't try hard enough or she would have met with me four years ago.
And when I was on the.
So they kind of attack you for the people who defended you.
Yeah, because that was the only form I had.
That was the only form that I had was the OPEC convention.
And like I said, my Democrat, my Democrat, my lawyer, who was a Democrat at the time, said that this is the only form that we're going to get.
I couldn't call a press conference myself.
Nobody would come.
That was the form that I use.
And I do regret that.
I regret that if I know now what I did then, you know, then I would have I wouldn't have went out that way.
But I do applaud them for giving me a form to bring this out.
But that's the only way I could bring it out is through the OPEC convention or whatever.
So you think the reason that they didn't come to your defense, even though it was a sexual harassment thing, is because, you know, they were in bed or he was their man?
I believe so.
I mean, they had a big part of it.
I mean, that was their man.
And I was going against the man who represents, you know, women's issues and women's rights.
But what is the bigger women's issue than this?
There's, for what I can understand, probably nothing.
I mean, and they just turned their backs on me.
They didn't want to help me.
They didn't believe me.
They didn't take me serious.
And they never wanted to meet.
They never met me to try to help me.
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Evacuous Paula Jones, what's the big thing you've learned after all these years?
That women, all women should fight for their rights.
And because no matter how much money or power the other person has,
you have to fight for what's right and for what somebody did wrong to you.
Because I've been through it for four and a half years, and I have won.
It's taken a lot of power and a lot of money behind it, but I have won.
So it's worth it.
It was worth it?
Well, it's been worth it.
Did you really say it was worth it?
Well, I can now since it's been settled, but it's been,
I would have to think hard about ever doing it again because people didn't take me serious.
I didn't have anybody to come out and support me.
The only guy that came to my defense was a dear friend of mine, Suzy McMillan.
And even my hairdresser, Daniel D'Cochet, he was a really good friend.
And they stuck with me through thick and thin.
And they were just, and my husband, he's just been there supporting me.
And that's all I had. That is all I had.
I didn't have a big entourage like a lot of people think I had.
I did it myself because I knew what was right, and I fought hard for it.
I just can't believe that you actually think it was worth it.
Well, it was though because it brought a lot of issues to America
about women in the workplace who are sexually harassed.
It's made a lot of different rules, I think, for women nowadays.
How do you think it's changed it for women?
I mean, if they took the tooth out of the only law we have?
Well, that's true, but I think that like the Supreme Court just ruled in the Burlington
that you don't have to show job detriment because even if you can't show it,
you know, you're emotionally, I don't care what it was, if it was a pat on the behind,
they can't do that to you.
So I think it has, my case has helped a lot of issues regarding sexual harassment.
How do you think history is going to remember Paula Jones?
Somebody who fought for what was right and going up against the power and the money.
And I hope that people will realize that, and I'm a mother, I've got two little boys,
but I was going to fight for what was right and get justice for the power and the money
that usually always, you know, wins.
Well, they definitely really had a lot of power and money on their side to try to
silence you and keep you wrapped up for years and years because I think, you know,
when you wrap people up in courts, you know they don't have the money to proceed.
Right.
So, but you still?
Well, with the thanks for, different ones, you know, with my lawyers and stuff that
would, you know, the way their fees would set up and stuff because they really
believed me and I appreciate my lawyers for believing in me and caring this through.
You wanted him to apologize, Bill Clinton.
Yeah, but you know, if he apologized to me today, it doesn't mean a thing.
He lies, he can't be trusted, he wagged his finger at the American people and lied.
It wouldn't mean a thing.
He's been so used to doing it, it doesn't mean anything anymore.
I wouldn't want an apology from him.
It's empty.
It doesn't mean a thing to me.
And that's why I decided I didn't need an apology because it doesn't mean anything
anymore because he's not, he doesn't mean it.
It doesn't come from his heart.
You're real strong.
A lot of people couldn't have held up as long as you did under it.
What are you going to do in the future?
Just go back.
I just want a simple life, a little house and raise my two little boys and be a
real mother at school.
That's what I've been trying to do and it's just been kind of difficult doing that
and having to do with all this stuff.
Is it safe for you to go out?
Is it safe to be in the world?
I hope so.
I mean, I've been out there.
I hope nobody's running around corners or nothing trying to get me or nothing.
Well, I hope it is safe.
I hope so.
And my little kids, you know, I've worried about them.
That's why my oldest is six years old and I held him back a year because I was so
scared to let him out of my wings.
You know, I was too scared.
But he's in kindergarten this year.
I wish you the best.
Thank you.
I hope it goes, you know, really safe and well from here on.
Thank you.
I think you're a real brave woman.
Thank you.
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Thanks for being here.
Thank you.